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In years past, I recall seeing flag totals for nominees participating in an election. It was the value under "helpful flags":

profile-helpful-flags

Why isn't that included in the "candidate score" of this years election?

martijn-pieters

If the metric has lost its value, why do I see it on my profile?

Why not see my candidate score on my profile?

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    A good moderator candidate did not ask somebody else to take care of what he saw going wrong. He took care of it himself with the privileges that he got from having enough rep. They all have enough rep. "I have thousands of flags approved" was never a fantastic moderator advertisement in my book. Never voted for one of those. Commented Apr 7, 2015 at 22:40
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    @HansPassant Often the only way of taking care of something is to flag it. 10k tools don't let me delete comments.
    – user229044 Mod
    Commented Apr 7, 2015 at 22:41
  • @HansPassant Maybe more of a metric for under 20k users? Maybe you would argue no one under 20k should run? It shows interaction with moderators, and approval to a degree. Commented Apr 7, 2015 at 22:42
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    The helpful flags indicator is still somewhat present -- if you have 500 helpful flags, you have the Marshal badge, which is included in the "moderation badges" section of the candidate score. Deputy is also included in "moderation badges", which says a candidate has 80+ helpful flags.
    – hichris123
    Commented Apr 7, 2015 at 22:42
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    Some active flaggers may just be too lazy to use the tools already at their disposal, but there's plenty of situations where flagging is the only possible action. Plagiarism comes to mind, for example, or suspected sock puppets/voting rings.
    – Pekka
    Commented Apr 7, 2015 at 22:43
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    Any guy that can detect thoudands of plagiarisms or puppets is a good candidate. Worries me a little bit about how he is spending his time though... Going into this kind of job already expecting the ass-end of SO isn't exactly uplifting. Commented Apr 7, 2015 at 23:38
  • @HansPassant I thought most of a moderators job was simply wiping the ass-end...
    – apaul
    Commented Apr 8, 2015 at 0:32
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    @JasonSturges This was replaced for the candidate score for a variety of reasons. See this MSE post for some additional details in Shog9's answer.
    – Taryn Mod
    Commented Apr 8, 2015 at 0:35

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Flags are great. When you encounter a problem that you can't handle yourself, bringing it to the attention of the mod team is extremely valuable. But, flags are not the be-all end-all of moderation on Stack Overflow; in fact, they're just the start:

One thing we realized is that the mod flag dialog ends up being training wheels for closers.

As important as it is to get folks involved in moderating the site, fixating on flagging during moderator elections was getting to be a bit silly; no matter how good you are at riding a bike with training wheels, it doesn't say much about your ability to ride the Tour de France. Maybe you'll be great - after all, you have plenty of enthusiasm... or maybe you'll fall over as soon as the supports are gone.

A couple of years ago, I saw this as the first comment below a candidate's nomination post:

How do you explain having only raised 406 helpful flags over 4 years?

The candidate in question had many thousands of close/reopen/delete/undelete votes under his belt, not to mention up/down votes. He was active in the (then still fairly new) review queues. He was moderating! But he wasn't flagging very much. He didn't need to. But you couldn't really see that in that one lone statistic.

Hans nailed it in his first comment here:

A good moderator candidate did not ask somebody else to take care of what he saw going wrong. He took care of it himself with the privileges that he got from having enough rep.

When the new moderators get their privileges at the end of the election, they will suddenly have immense power within the system, near-absolute trust in situations that formerly allowed - required - a sanity-check from someone else. They have peers they can turn to for guidance of course, and if nothing else they can always come here and ask for advice. But it's not feasible to do that for every flag, every odd situation, every angry user, every hard choice... Assistance is available, but the training wheels are gone.

This, then, was my goal with the new candidate score:

it makes it hard for someone to dominate the list with one statistic (rep, flags) if they haven't done much of anything else.

Flags still count: you can earn a few points via flagging by earning the Deputy and Marshal badges. That's 2 points out of 40, 2 out of 8 possible "moderation score" points. And of course reputation counts for a lot - that's how you earn the rest of the privileges! But a well-rounded candidate should have a lot more candidate-score points, earned via tasks such as voting, reviewing, and editing. Folks who've been around for a while, who've taken it upon themselves to solve problems when they see them, these candidates will already tend to have a pretty respectable score. And, I expect, a pretty good preparation for the rigors of moderating.

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