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The last couple of days, I've seen a lot of questions roll through the Suggested Edits queue where the only change made was adding/removing a tag. Most of the times, the suggested edit is adding a tag that may be slightly more descriptive, but not enough to really impact the question.

In some cases, I can see where it is warranted. This user, for example, was changing the tag (which was actually an incorrect tag in most cases) to the more relevant tag. This seems legitimate.

However, today the Suggested Review queue has been filled with questions where this user removed the tag and replaced it with the tag. This doesn't seem to change/benefit the question in any real way and seemed too small, so I rejected most of them. I seemed to be in the minority though because most of them were approved, as noted by the 193 rep points earned today through edits. In one particular case, the same user made an invalid edit, gained +2 rep, had the edit rolled back, made an additional edit, which again would appear to be "too minor", had it approved and gained an additional +2 rep having not really contributed any context or benefit toward the question.

So my question is, when is it considered "too minor" in terms of tag edits? I know the reputation gained in this case is not much in the grand scheme of things, but it would appear that the user is gaining rep because reviewers aren't really considering the entire edit and how it affects the context of the question (i.e. the reviewers don't appear to be noting whether the edit "substantially improves the post").

I just want to note that I'm not complaining. I just want to learn for my benefit. It is quite possible my rejections were wrong, in which case I would like to understand the reasoning behind why I should accept what appears to be minor edits. My objective here is that of learning how to correctly respond to such edits.

EDIT: Here is another such case of an invalid edit approved twice with +4 rep by the same user.

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    Your evaluations are entirely correct. You seem to have a very good understanding of how to evaluate the value of an edit. You have also correctly observed that the vast majority of suggested edit reviewers have virtually no ability to evaluate the value of edits (or worse still, the validity of edits) and tend to approve most everything. This is extremely depressing. I wish I had a solution for you. I've been searching for one for years.
    – Servy
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 16:45
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    tl;dr: The same "too minor" rule applies to tag-only edits. If there are other things that could be improved in the question, especially obvious things, then the edit is too minor, even if it's otherwise valid and helpful. Never forget about the "Improve" button! Just uncheck the "this was helpful" checkbox at the bottom.
    – Charles
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 16:49
  • See also: Do we really need the [stanford] tag?
    – Charles
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 17:30
  • @Servy I agree 100%. That's what I was thinking as well. This is not so much a problem with the user as it is a learning/obeservation problem with the reviewers. If the reviewers didn't accept such edits, the user would never be able go on a tagging rampage of sorts. This would, in essence, help the user understand his/her mistake and be able to correct the incorrect edit actions with more appropriate and substantial edits. Maybe the review screens could bold/italicize the important key words such as substantial so that the reviewers would take a closer look? Just a thought...
    – War10ck
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 17:52
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    @War10ck I doubt that that would make a difference, personally. I am regularly surprised by the level of incompetence in suggested edit reviewers. Somehow the bar always manages to be lowered.
    – Servy
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 17:54
  • @Servy Unfortunately, I'm starting to observe the same trend. It seems much too easy to hit accept and move on without really focusing on the task at hand. It seems it is becoming more of a review game for badges than for cleaning and managing the site...
    – War10ck
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 17:56
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    @War10ck Of course, the fact that there is a [proposed] tag cleanup request for that tag in no way makes these edits appropriate. it explains them, but it doesn't validate them. Tag cleanup guidelines very explicitly make it clear that edits should be significant, they should be making meaningful improvements to the post at hand, and fixing all of the problems with the post, not just removing the one tag. This user is clearly violating that, so the existence of a tag cleanup request doesn't make the edit automatically good.
    – Servy
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 17:59
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    Does this answer your question? "Too minor" edits - better to leave poor quality on the site? Commented May 5, 2021 at 6:05

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is not a good tag. It could be applied to anything related to Stanford University. The fact that a question has some connection with Stanford University is not relevant.

designates a particular programming environment (a suite of libraries). It's a perfectly normal tag with a clear meaning.

Getting rid of the and replacing it by an appropriate tag such as is a good, encouraged edit. Removing a bad tag does not qualify as “too minor”. It's always better to fix anything else that should be fixed (other tags, spelling, formatting, title, etc.), but even an edit which just replaces by a more appropriate tag is good.

Approve the edit if it replaces the bad tag by good ones. Reject it if it replaces the bad tag with other bad tags (e.g. if it incorrectly adds to a question that's related to Stanford but not to the Stanford NLP Java library suite.

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    Yes, actually removing just one bad tag and doing nothing else for a post absolutely qualifies as "too minor". It's the epitome of too minor. There is nothing less useful that you could do in an edit than just remove a useless tag. If all we wanted to do was remove the tag from every question it was tagged with then that could simply be done by a developer running a script. The whole point of tag cleanups is that we don't want to do that. The idea of a tag cleanup is to be dramatically improving posts by fixing all of the problems with them, not just removing one tag.
    – Servy
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:03
  • I definitely agree that the stanford needs cleaning. However, I have to wonder if that really qualifies as a good edit. As @Servy has pointed out, it really doesn't contribute in any significant way to the post. It's my understanding that an edit should. If I understand correctly, an edit should improve the meaning, readability, formatting or other related aspect of the question, without altering the original author's context of the question or the problem as it was originally defined.
    – War10ck
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:07
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    @Servy No, removing one bad tag is not intrinsically too minor. We need to get rid of that tag. If there are posts which are fine except for that one bad tag, how would we ever get rid of that tag if we were not to edit posts because it's “too minor”? Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:08
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    @Gilles You would have a developer run a script to remove the tag from all of the posts that its on. Having users who don't need to suggest edits remove the tag is also an option, if the number of tagged questions is sufficiently small.
    – Servy
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:10
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    @Servy An automatic cleanup is only possible on a superfluous tag. stanford isn't superfluous, it's ambiguous: it sometimes means stanford-nlp, maybe sometimes other things (I haven't checked), and sometimes it's superfluous. This requires manual cleanup. Given that there's no lack of manpower for the suggested edit review queue these days, if an edit is worth doing unsupervised, it's worth suggesting. Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:12
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    @Gilles Yes, so the fact that this user is going around removing the tag from all questions it's on and doing nothing else is actively harmful. It's not even useless it's wrong. This user isn't fixing tag ambiguities, he's just removing the tag from every question that it's on and almost never doing anything else. An effective tag cleanup would be to go through and resolve the ambiguities by ensuring the appropriate tags were added where needed, questions closed where offtopic, etc., and then a mass automatic removal of all remaining superfluous taggings.
    – Servy
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:15
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    And after spending some time looking a bit further back through this user's history, there are a number of times where he's incorrectly adding the standford-nlp tag to questions it doesn't apply to. a huge percentage of his taggings are actually invalid, despite the fact that virtually none managed to actually get rejected.
    – Servy
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:18
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    @Servy In that case the correct rejection reason is invalid, not too minor. Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:20
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    @Gilles There are a lot of both in there, not just one or the other. Just removing standford is "too minor". Incorrectly applying standord-nlp is invalid. He has done a lot of both.
    – Servy
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:21
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    @Servy No, just removing stanford if that is the only obvious problem with the question is not too minor. “Too minor” means “you're wasting time with a useless edit”. If the edit is useful, it isn't too minor. Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:25
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    @Gilles It's absolutely a useless edit. It is adding zero value to the site. Nobody is better off as a result of that edit. As I said, there is no possible edit that you could make that adds less value. The tag itself is inherently useless in that it doesn't help anyone find or categorize the question. Having it there adds no value. It's not really actively harmful though, so removing it doesn't add value either. However if a C question is tagged C++ that tag is actively harmful, possibly even to a significant degree, and removing the incorrect tag is adding value.
    – Servy
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:26
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    @Servy The tag still needs to be removed. So removing it is not “actively harmful”. (I haven't checked that user's edit history; if he's going around adding standford-nlp where it doesn't belong, then that is actively harmful. But removing stanford isn't.) Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:32
  • @Gilles Removing the tag and doing nothing else when the post is in need of other edits, such as, for example, the addition of the stanford-nlp tag, is actively harmful. It goes from being actively harmful to just too minor if the tags use is truly superfluous, and not ambiguous.
    – Servy
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:34
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    @Servy: Gilles and I disagree about pretty much everything, but I'm squarely in his camp on this one. The question you have to ask yourself is this: Is the tag change important enough that you would have made it yourself? To put it another way, are you obligated as an editor to fix every problem with every post that has that tag to get the tag burninated?
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:44
  • @RobertHarvey Should you not be asking yourself if the edit that you are suggesting is adding more value than the cost of suggesting the edit? If we have a problem in the site's ability to burninate tags (which I'm not sure that we do) then we can look at improved tooling around tag burnination, rather than applying a solution to a problem that causes more harm than the problem itself.
    – Servy
    Commented May 23, 2014 at 18:47

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