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You're all probably wondering who I am and where Joe is. I'm one of the developers on the Developer Affinity & Growth team with him, and I'm excited to tell you about a prototype that we'd love your feedback on.

Questions and answers are what Stack Overflow is all about. The starting point for a great Q&A site are good questions. We all know that asking a good question is an art, and humans - particularly those in a hurry - aren't naturally good at it all the time. We've also known for a long time that Stack Overflow needs to provide a better "ask a question" experience, especially for people new to the community. We think we can make the experience less intimidating, help people avoid common mistakes when asking, and improve the quality of questions with a bit more guidance baked into the process.

What have we done?

We're off to see the wizard

Screenshot of the question body section of the wizard. Section prompts: summarize, Provide background, show your code, describe expected and actual results

Our next step is to run an experiment on a prototype "ask a question" wizard. Before we do, we'd love for you all to kick the tires on it and give us feedback. Our goal is to get this experiment up and running in July. The experiment will be focused on newer question askers, so experienced community members won't see it, except during this comment period.

Check out the prototype here. (Please note this will post a real question on SO)

Feel free to add answers below to suggest improvements to copy, the flow or any part of the experience. We'll review the suggestions to find targeted improvements before running the experiment.

And, of course, once we have some data on how things went we'll report back here.

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    I like the flow in the forward direction, but can you add a Back button on screens after the initial one? The browser back button doesn't seem to always take me back where I expect it to go (the immediate previous screen in the wizard). Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 17:13
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    ...Okay, fine. Color me skeptically optimistic about this wizard. I'm going to peruse it later to see if there's anything that really juts out.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 17:16
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    Is this going to be a thing for all users now? Or just new / low rep users? Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:05
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    I'm curious, how much of the verbiage and/or functionality was directly harvested from meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/358600/…?
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:25
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    I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS LIVE! I posted a really bad 'i++ + ++i' question:) Luckily, I deleted it before it got -100 votes:) Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 20:32
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    On the description tab, nowhere does it tells the poster to explain his/her question in a minimalistic manner. A guide on how to create a minimal, complete and verifiable example for each popular tag will be a good addition. The guide may tell users to post more details in the question, but it doesn't discourage them from posting overly verbose questions.
    – Autonomous
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 20:55
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    This guided mode is a big improvement but I'd definitely rephrase "your code" to "your reproducible code with an appropriate simulation of any relevant datum or data"
    – Hack-R
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:12
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    Let me just say thank you for trying to make this less bug reporty inspiring.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:53
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    On mobile, the wizard doesn't really wizard -- it shows the original multiple choice, then instead of walking you through how to write the question, it sends you to the normal ask a question page. status-bydesign? Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 22:19
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    Needs a back button.
    – clickbait
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 3:29
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    How about automatically treating what is entered in the "Show your code" section as... .. code? (I.e. no need for ctrl+k on this section)
    – visibleman
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 4:21
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    What's up with this constant pat on the back? Why everything is Great? For adults with normal self-esteem that seems like we are being treated as 5 years old- they do need a constant reminder that everything they do is great. Normal adults do not.
    – SergeyA
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 16:07
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    @EricLeschinski isn't 10,000 rep a bit too high? I think it should be somewhere around 500 rep. At that level is the review privilege, so I assume that we think that users who reach 500 rep know at least what counts as a good post (whether question or answer)
    – Keale
    Commented Jun 21, 2018 at 1:32
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    @EricLeschinski Holy crap dude. 10,000 rep before you stop seeing the wizard?? That's extremely high. It should be more like 500, as Keale says. If you're worried that new users could get that much rep really quickly and start posting bad questions before they've learned how the site works, consider this: If they get 500 rep really quickly, doesn't that imply they're doing well already?
    – Clonkex
    Commented Jun 22, 2018 at 1:53
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    @Keale I have seen 30K users asking absolutely off topic questions. More than once, and more than single user. I don't think there should be any threshold. Seriously, if someone asks so many questions that going through wizard is a hurdle, then maybe this is an indication that those questions maybe should not have been asked in the first place.
    – Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    Commented Jun 22, 2018 at 13:47

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I am not a UX designer, but in the "What's your title?" page of the wizard, I feel like the examples should be grouped by example, not by good or bad. See below for visual. enter image description here

which would result in something looking like this.

enter image description here

It makes more sense to have this grouping to me, but I could just be crazy.

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    Agreed, the only difference I'd suggest is going with the negative example first.
    – Brian Kung
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:39
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    @BrianKung Strong disagreement about negative examples first --- someone who is skimming should see the positive example first. Compare to the journalistic writing style of putting the most important information at the head of the piece and filling in details below.
    – rob
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:47
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    @rob my argument would be that the negative examples are shorter, more generic, and easier to recognize in your own writing if you're in the middle of writing a poor title. Seeing them first makes it less likely to skim over the entirety of the block. It's also more clear what to do if your title matches the negative pattern - stop and continue reading the tip. Finally, progressing from a worse place to a better place is a natural progression for a lot of people - like red, green, refactor.
    – Brian Kung
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 23:06
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    Also I feel that the "Say" and "Don't say" are redundant due to the symbol in front of them.
    – Luuklag
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 6:41
  • Further, there is no error message on the title tab if your title is too short. Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 9:24
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    @Luuklag: It depends. In some cultures, the X is a positive symbol or the check is a negative symbol (or rarely, both at once). Red and green have varying cultural interpretations and may not be visible at all. You need English to disambiguate this.
    – Kevin
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 18:23
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    Can we also include a Do: How to Fix 'Headers already Sent',Don't: PHP: How to fix 'Headers already Sent' because tags are tags? Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 1:50
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    @BrianKung - I agree with Rob on positive example first. Despite your good logic of natural progression and recognition in writing, from a psychological standpoint giving an instruction of what to do yields better results than forbidding something. Putting something first gives it emphasis. I vote positive example first.
    – jlsecrest
    Commented Jun 21, 2018 at 2:05
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    Concerning this particular example, you may want to have a look at discussion on asking R-related questions; broadly speaking R community does not like questions that deviate from that format without valid reasons. It's likely that the is there a function question would be closed quickly with people suggesting to use Google or rseek and come back with better defined problem.
    – Konrad
    Commented Jun 25, 2018 at 16:12
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I think the "We found similar questions" page should be skipped if there isn't one:

enter image description here

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    You're definitely right on this one. We shouldn't be showing this if there aren't actually any similar questions :)
    – Jon Chan StaffMod
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 17:58
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    You beat me to it :)
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:04
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    Sucks that there's not a lot of questions for jgdfjgdfhgdfj kk, that thing is always giving me issues Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:07
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    @James_Parsons The problem is you're using an old version! Everyone is using jgdfjgdfhgdfj kk++ now.
    – dwirony
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:09
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    My jgdfjgdfhgdfj kk keeps giving me a null pointer exception. Better ask a new question about that... Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:27
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    Even better news would be, if the suggested questions would follow the tags asker had chosen on earlier stage.
    – Teemu
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 12:03
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    I used We found similar c# questions that match your title, "hungarian notation" - - none were shown .. what about hungarian-notation-in-c-sharp Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 15:30
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    @JonChan That and the primary call to action following, "Do any of these answer your question?" probably shouldn't be, "Next." Perhaps something like, "None of these answer my question. Let's create a new one."
    – canon
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 17:09
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    What the jgdfjgdfhgdfj kk is going on here?
    – Bohemian Mod
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 1:09
  • But in case of SO: If there were no similar questions found, it is likely, that it actually is a jgdfjgdfhgdfj kk question and therefore should get auto-flagged as spam ;) Commented Jun 22, 2018 at 7:54
  • @MA-Maddin - because new programming languages aren't a thing, or? Commented Jun 22, 2018 at 13:02
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    I also find that a lot of the suggested questions concern different tags. Could these be filtered to only show questions that have at least one tag in common with the question I'm writing? (E.g. I just asked a question about list comprehensions in Python - half of the suggestions were about Haskell.)
    – acdr
    Commented Jun 25, 2018 at 14:13
  • @acdr: The danger with that is that the user has typed in bad tags, no similar questions will be found, even if it's a question that has been asked a million times before. Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 23:05
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You can't go back in the wizard. If you hit your mouse or browser's Back button, you start the wizard all over again - and the title, had you already entered it, is lost when you do so.

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    There are links in blue above the wizard that are for each step that let you go back to the specific section that you want, but I feel like a back button like you suggest would be a lot more logical.
    – Davy M
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:13
  • multi-step and draft support perhaps?
    – Andrew Lam
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:47
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    @DavyM: Depends on where you are at in the wizard. Those don't show up when you selected "I need a software recommendation". Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:52
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    At the very least the wizard should be making an entry into the browser history. In my case I tried a couple of the off topic option on the first step and there is no option whatsoever to go "back", including in my browser. Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 22:24
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    Anyone like me who has dedicated system-wide back and forward buttons on their mouse and uses them all the time is going to be so mad using this unless the history stack is used appropriately.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 12:28
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    Having some way to go to previous steps (back button and/or browser navigation) is planned for when the experiment goes out.
    – Jon Chan StaffMod
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 15:01
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    @BoltClock You’re still using a mouse in 2018? You don’t have a trackpad or touch screen so you can just say “Alexa, tell Siri to have Google go back” in hopes that one of the AIs can work out which multitouch gesture to use?
    – abarnert
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 15:42
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I really like the setup for this. Asking them to put the tags in up front yields a massive advantage in presenting the user with targeted existing material.

One major thing is missing though, in the similar questions page.

enter image description here

We found similar javascript questions that match your title, "how do i sort an array"

Did it really though? No. It didn't take the tag into question when examining similar posts and it gave back, pardon my French, a bunch of ... well, nothing useful.

Had it considered the tag used, by searching [javascript] how do i sort an array it would have found these instead:

enter image description here

Note the post with a 1764 score, 869,153 views, and a canonical duplicate target for 251 posts. That is just the first result. Can we please consider the tags that users enter in the similar questions search?

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    Agreed; I assume the ability to filter possible duplicates and intelligently suggest hints/block known bad stuff is the actual reason for putting tags first... hopefully it wasn't just a random straw poll.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:16
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    Same issue on my dry run... the copy actually said "we found similar 'Java' questions", but only one of the 4 similar questions actually had a java tag on it at all.
    – Gus
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 20:07
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    the point is the wizard should order the similar questions based on total votes and answers
    – aswzen
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 11:09
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    @aswzen - That isn't really the point I am making here, you may suggest that in a separate answer. All this is asking for is to consider tags with the search being used for similar questions. I feel that is a good, easy, first step towards significant progress. Beyond that, it may also make sense to remove non essential words rank the questions by the amount of questions linked to them (i.e. duplicate targets) then by votes. However, this suggestion is merely to take the tags used into consideration.
    – Travis J
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 18:21
  • I noticed this problem too, with the [c] [winapi] tags, when I typed in "How do I enumerate all PCI devices" most of the questions had nothing to do with [c] or [winapi].
    – jrh
    Commented Jun 23, 2018 at 15:55
  • The question titles are also not enough to determine similarity: you should probably actually just load the search results page :)
    – badp
    Commented Jul 1, 2018 at 11:06
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Where do the headings go? When I enter this:

headings

I get this:

headings gone

And that doesn't really make for a readable question. Perhaps prepend some headers, like What I've tried: before those sections.

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    Maybe give the option to include the headings. By default turn it on and on the last screen before sending let the asker review his question and add buttons to remove each heading. Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:11
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    One approach would be to have the prompts fade out/get covered by the responses on the earlier page, as a hint that the asker is meant to be making statements rather than responding to queries.
    – Sneftel
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:02
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    The headings should not be included because this is not a question template. This is a general idea of what structure the user should follow. So headings should not be necessary there. – But your attempt shows a different problem, that users may end up “answering” to those section headings, instead of writing self-contained stuff.
    – poke
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 10:36
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    @poke yes, that's my point exactly. I don't necessarily want to see those headings in each new question, but in that case the user should be motivated to write down their expectations in the form of "I expect to ..."
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 10:37
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    When I was building this, I also considered adding the section headers as comments above each portion of copy once a person got to the review step. I think it's worth revisiting, with special attention to the concerns you and @poke brought up.
    – Jon Chan StaffMod
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 18:33
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    @JonChan Why not using this text as a placeholder that disappears when the user starts writing: placeholder="Describe expected and actual results"? Then the user will think "Oh this text Describe expected... disappears, so I should formulate my question so that it's understandable without it". I think it might solve the problem. What do you think CodeCaster?
    – Basj
    Commented Jun 22, 2018 at 16:29
  • In my opinion, the headings are one of the most significant points of interest in the wizard. Their text, and they way they are handled (including versus excluding versus passively saving) will be a large factor in the success of questions asked with this feature.
    – Travis J
    Commented Jun 25, 2018 at 20:56
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    Related: what.thedailywtf.com/topic/24325/…
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Jun 26, 2018 at 13:33
  • Can you make it visually apparent the headers aren't part of the post? Right now they look like pre-filled text. If it's clear they aren't part of the post body I think you retain the benefit and guide the asker to write text that is complete w/o the prompts. Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 16:54
  • You want them to enter 4 different bits of text. Perhaps 4 separate "textareas" with the heading/prompt above it would clarify that it's not part of the output post. Commented Jun 28, 2018 at 16:57
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    linking @jinglesthula 's connected answer/response: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/370279/9259306
    – Mistella
    Commented Jul 3, 2018 at 15:39
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Some notes from first runthrough:

  1. Treat "Show your code" area as code, indent it for the user. At least prompt if it's not indented.
  2. Warn the OP to NOT post images when describing desired results and observed output, unless the image (and not text of any kind) is indeed the output.

More notes. This time I put in "java" for a tag and "Why do I get this warning?" question title.

  1. The list of the possible matches contains a question with score -4 asked on c99. Some better filtering/matching is needed.

  2. If we already have a -4 question with exactly this title, let's tell the user to change the title (Finally! Some use for bad questions!).

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    On #1, I would say don't automatically do it for the user, show the user how to do it. Otherwise, next time they ask a question and it doesn't automatically format for them, they'll be confused as to why it's not in a code block.
    – Davy M
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 17:14
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    @DavyM OK, then if the user fails to indent, let's keep prompting them till they get it. Do not let unindented code pass through
    – user3458
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 17:22
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    Say that code should be indented 4 spaces. It's the single most useful piece of information that is currently missing from the question submission page. Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:26
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    @n.m. , the wizard already says so. But it's easy to miss or misinterpret. Provide a button to index like in the real question form? My point is, do not let the user proceed till they learn and/or the code is properly indented.
    – user3458
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:38
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    Well, I have missed it! Probably isn't prominent enough. Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:51
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    Re: indenting code: the edit box doesn't have controls to format as code (or any other formatting buttons for that matter), and Ctrl-K didn't work for me either. The only way to properly format the code in that box is to manually indent each line with four spaces. Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 4:21
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    [ShamelessPromotion] Related to "No images of text / code": Feature request: Raise / Remove reputation limit for showing “Do not upload code screenshots” message [/ShamelessPromotion] Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 9:31
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    Regarding code formatting in "guided mode", there's a lot of consistent feedback that it isn't apparent that a user should be doing that. We're going to review some of these suggestions and try improving it for the next round.
    – Jon Chan StaffMod
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 18:29
  • I was just about to post 1,3, & 4 on my own. Instead I'll pile on to yours. Especially #1 & #3.
    – Gus
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 20:02
  • Can you split these into 4 separate answers? Then we can vote on each one separately. My upvote is for #1 (although the others are worthwhile). Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 19:13
  • Wish I had the capacity to store up votes and add them to this one. The point about not letting users just use images of console interaction and output is essential. I can imagine there could be situations that needed images in a code section, but efforts to post images should be subjected to a gauntlet of "are your really really sure that an image is essential?" sorts of questions.
    – IRTFM
    Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 17:58
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You ask me "Do any of these answer your question?", but the button text says Next. Perhaps it could read something like "No, I still want to ask a new question"? That way users understand exactly what the button is doing and there's some discouragement to blindly ask anyway.

enter image description here

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  • "No, I still want to ask a new question" -> "No, I still want to ask a new, different question"
    – gnat
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 11:03
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    or "No, none of these answer my question."
    – Mistella
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 13:34
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    @Mistella That feels quite negative though.
    – DavidG
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 13:54
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    @DavidG Perhaps. I think I was more focused on how the wording might encourage people to actually look at some of the existing questions instead of just skimming through some of the titles before posting their own question -- less work to just hit next. Another thought: maybe it would feel less negative if the "No" was moved to the right, and a "Yes" inserted where the "No" button currently is? (I saw that another person's feedback was that they thought a "Yes" button should be added: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/369731/9259306)
    – Mistella
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 14:04
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    @Mistella You're effectively repeating the question back at them so I find the text a little redundant, hence why I focussed on getting the user to confirm they still want to ask a new question.
    – DavidG
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 10:09
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When recommending other sites, the positivity is overwhelming.

enter image description here

In situations like this, we need to have the OP acknowledge two things have happened:

  • They've posted their question in the wrong place, and should direct their question there
  • Their question might be acceptable there, but it has a very real chance of not being acceptable.

How about this copy instead?

enter image description here

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    I tried to put myself in the mindset of a person knowing nothing about the SE sites coming to ask about a software recommendation, and when I read both the existing one and your suggestion, my eyes see "Great" then my hand skips right to the blue box without reading anything else, because in my mind: "obviously none of the other stuff is as important as the big 'Great!' because it's all smaller, so no reason to read it". I think the text you provide is good and important, but I think it needs to be presented first without something in a bigger font before it.
    – Davy M
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 17:27
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    Honestly I wanted to see if I could get rid of "Great" but then the entire thing kinda...fell apart, and I don't really wordsmith that well...hopefully that can be addressed too.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 17:28
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    What about leaving the super-positive text, but having the button take them directly to the softrwarerecs on-topic FAQ instead of their front page or ask page?
    – abarnert
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:32
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    Agree 100% with @DavyM. If I, as a new user, see that gigantic "Great!" I would almost immediately click whatever button/link is presented to get me to finally post my question.
    – Gabriel
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:55
  • How about "Woopsie!" instead of "Great!"? Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:27
  • @MathieuGuindon: Can you not see the wall of text crumbling after "Woopsie!"? It's like there's an error and the rest kinda just blurs together to become one with eternity as the message and button no longer hold meaning. Wordsmithing is hard, I'll grant you that.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:28
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    The main problem seems to be that the part that explains why we're seeing this is burried in the "tip" part, and the paragraph under "Great!" is talking about something a new user would have no idea about. "Woopsie! This question might not fly!" or something that better conveys "you're about to post a question that's likely off-topic". Or, move the "tip" above "Great!", make it bolder, and change "Great!" for "But don't worry!" or something. Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:34
  • FAQ should be linked. Maybe to the Meta's faq?
    – jpmc26
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:50
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    How about "Look over here!" instead of "Great!". In itself it captures that there is a place to find such answers, that that place isn't here, and that there is no 'guarantee' that the answer is there. More over, it is vague enough to nudge people to read the rest of the text.
    – GolezTrol
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:56
  • related
    – gnat
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 11:29
  • @MathieuGuindon: If you present it as an error, the user may immediately go back and try to answer questions "the right way" in order to bypass this screen entirely. Better to have them immediately hit the blue button without reading, than to immediately hit the back button without reading.
    – Kevin
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 18:27
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    I think that The Software Recommendations community is here ... does not make it obvious that this is the title of a site, it may simply be overlooked. I would recommend changing this to The community of "Software Recommendations" [formatted as link], another site in the Stack Exchange network, is here ... or something similar. Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 18:29
  • Just link them to the FAQ/asking guidelines of the other site directly.
    – intcreator
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 1:55
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    Came here to make similar comment. "The Super User community is here" does not at all convey that "actually, there is a different website you should go and use instead". "Here" is really misleading and confusing. Suggestion: "Oh, in that case - you should try our sister site, Super User. It's designed for general questions about software and hardware." Commented Jun 21, 2018 at 5:51
  • Instead of "Great!", why not simply "OK". That doesn't convey positive or negative, but probably implies that some more information is coming, so it's worth reading on. It's pretty much the reaction you'd get asking a real person a question they can't answer: "Can I have a Big Mac meal please?" "OK, this is a Police Station, but maybe try McDonalds just down the road". Commented Jun 22, 2018 at 9:37
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If you hit Enter after entering a tag, you get the errors "Title is missing." and "Body is missing." popping up at weird places:

is missing

This also colors the border of the title and question textbox/area red on the next screens.

Also, the Title screen doesn't support Enter, nothing happens. The title screen also doesn't display any errors, for example for a title < 15 characters.

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    This definitely shouldn't be happening. I'll investigate.
    – Jon Chan StaffMod
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:40
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    Really nice find, 100% a bug.
    – dwirony
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:01
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    This freaked me out when it happened. I think it tried to submit a form or something but it shouldn't do that yet...
    – intcreator
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 1:56
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Let's take a look at the first page:

enter image description here

You have optimized for debugging questions first. I get that a lot of questions from new users are useless debugging questions, so I'm okay with that being at the top of the list.

Next we have two off-topic honeypots, which is OK, I guess.

Next we have an option for homework questions. Homework questions aren't a "type" of question. A homework question could be a debugging question, or a how-to question, or a why question, etc... The only thing that makes a homework question a homework question is that the asker was given the question for homework. This distinction is irrelevant.

Finally you have an "other" option, let's take a look at where that takes us:

enter image description here

You lay out a set of requirements for on-topic questions. The first of which is:

  • Includes a bit of source code, and

Only debugging questions require code. How-to questions do not require code. How-to questions that include code are actually debugging questions (if the OP includes some code that doesn't achieve the desired result, the objective for answerers is to fix the code, i.e. debugging question).

This section looks very similar to the first section on the "What topics can I ask about here?" help center article:

We feel the best Stack Overflow questions have a bit of source code in them, but if your question generally covers…

  • a specific programming problem, or
  • a software algorithm, or
  • software tools commonly used by programmers; and is
  • a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development

… then you’re in the right place to ask your question!

But notice how the help center article says "We feel the best Stack Overflow questions have a bit of source code in them"

This in no way means that questions without code are off-topic. It means that some people who call themselves "we" like questions with code in them some unknown amount more than questions without code; but—just as I personally feel the best Stack Overflow questions are the timeless how-to questions whose answers have helped countless users despite having included no code in the question at all—that is neither here nor there.


What can a new user gather from this wizard? Only useless debugging questions are on-topic. All other questions are off-topic... unless you were assigned the question for homework.

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    That's exactly my impression of this wizard. If I want to ask a question about some API of a specific library, I don't know which option to choose. At least the sentence "I have a question about my code" needs to be rephrased.
    – llllllllll
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:18
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    Let us continue this discussion in chat.
    – Joe Friend StaffMod
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 20:57
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    This isn't a debugging question but would fit great in this wizard and provides/requires code: stackoverflow.com/questions/32981827/…
    – Pluto
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 17:22
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    @Pluto it is a debugging question because you provided an attempt that didn't achieve the desired result.
    – user4639281
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 17:49
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    You seem to forget that 99.5% of all How-to questions that do not provide code (in one way or another) are worth closing as "unclear", "too broad" or "duplicate". Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 20:55
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    I don't think I should have to prove that non-debugging questions are not inherently off-topic solely because they don't contain code every time this comes up. I'm leaving it at that. You can hate on these questions all you want but the fact of the matter is that only debugging questions require code, and contrary to popular belief there is a lot more to stack overflow than just endless variations of the same useless debugging questions. Have a nice day @ImportanceOfBeingErnest
    – user4639281
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 0:11
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    Maybe you did not get my concern here. I do see the problem of people trying to close valid questions because they think they would need to contain code, even if they really don't. This is not what this is about here. Here, we want to know if the new guide is useful or not. Your answer fails to tell in how far this guide would prevent valid questions from being asked. If someone wants to ask a valid question and is forced to give some source code in it, it will not make their question worse. It would also not turn their question into a debugging problem per se. Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 8:14
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    @ImportanceOfBeingErnest I completely disagree with your entire comment. I'm going to leave it at that.
    – user4639281
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 14:16
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    I just went through the complete wizard to ask a How-to question without any code and it works perfectly. You need to click "other" of course and then just follow the steps. So it's really unclear what this "only debugging questions require code" has to do with the guide. Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 14:29
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    I roughly agree with you but think you're overstating your case. In particular, I don't agree with the idea that just containing code innately turns a question into a debugging question. However, I agree that good questions needn't contain code (and so does the community; just go and look at the top-voted questions on the site and observe that many don't contain code).
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Jun 26, 2018 at 13:51
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    @ImportanceOfBeingErnest Yes, of course you can decide to deliberately disobey the unambiguous instructions forbidding you from asking a question without code in it. But it seems to me that your stance - which as I understand it amounts to "we should have this rule, you're wrong to criticise the rule, and also everyone should disregard the rule completely" - is a pretty confused position to take on pretty much any rule, including this one.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Jun 26, 2018 at 13:55
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I am dubious about:

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While I agree with this in general, there are cases where it is better to include a version number. For example in the case of problems that only occeur in a specific version.

Taken from the tag:


Tagging recommendation:

Use the tag for all Python related questions. If you believe your question includes issues specific to the incompatible Python 2.x or Python 3.x, in addition to the main tag, use or . If you believe your question may be even more specific, you may include a version specific tag, such as .


Should the asking wizard be altered to omit this?

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    I would rather like to see a warning not to use irrelevant tags (I really don't need to know you are programming in android studio) Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:53
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    @AndréKool I agree, this is potentially misleading for a beginner here, and filtering questions might become harder.
    – Xantium
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:56
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    Just curious...did you intentionally blur out that screenshot or did you just take a screenshot with some tool that can only produce stuff in that quality? On the subject of the answer; I totally agree, this suggestion to not use version-specific tags is flat out wrong in cases where the question is about version-specific code.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:10
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    Maybe "Don't include version numbers unless you have a reason to believe the version is relevant"? That's basically what the python tag wiki is saying—but I don't think there's a way to say it that's both concise and clear, much less concise and clear and general to all tags. Something vague like "… unless you have reason to believe…" may be the best that could be done. And I'm not sure it's even necessary, since most of the time they won't have such a reason.
    – abarnert
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 20:15
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    I'd rather they always include the version number. It can make a big difference in what features are available, and in some cases a known bug or issue with an older version of the software may be in play. Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 6:31
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    C# also might not be the best example, because when you put C# in the tags, it automatically suggests tags that contain C# versions. Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 15:55
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    I rather they include the version number on the body. That way it doesn't prevents from adding more useful tags, like frameworks, libraries, etc.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 20:06
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    The first thing I entered was c++, and among the tag suggestions that popped up were c++11 and c++14...
    – indiv
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 21:16
  • @Braiam That's ok until there is a question with a title like Function X in Language V does not do M then it becomes easier to read if it is tagged with X and V rather than have that in the title (which is what ultimately seems to happen).
    – Xantium
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 22:07
  • @indiv Almost prompting the user to put them in. I thing effort should be made so those do not come up, rather than saying "Don't use these tags (even if you might need them)".
    – Xantium
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 22:09
  • @JeffreyKemp Indeed, there are languages with multiple versions for example in Python (there are 2 and 3) both are different from each other, and for a person who only knows 1 answering would involve looking at both those for 2 and 3. If they are tagged no such problem exists since they immediatly know the version/problem with features avalable.
    – Xantium
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 22:12
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    @Simon The consensus of the SO Python community—as reflected in the tag wiki intro quoted in the question—is the exact opposite of what you're suggesting: most questions should not be tagged with a specific version. (And if that's true for Python, a language where 2.x and 3.x are pretty different, and the first example that came to your mind, I suspect it's true for many other languages.)
    – abarnert
    Commented Jun 21, 2018 at 7:09
  • It's also pretty weird that it shows c#4, when the tag is actually named c#-4.0. Seems like that would fall more under the category of not creating new tags
    – River
    Commented Jun 21, 2018 at 22:28
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    Version number makes sense in a lot of cases, What if we give a solution as per current version, whereas OP is using an older one. Many times, we have to ask them to post their versions in the questions. Though for many Databases we have relevant version tags which IMHO is very useful Commented Jun 22, 2018 at 9:33
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Do we really need to explicitly call out homework problems?

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If the policy on homework problems is truly universal, then declaring it as a homework problem is a useless moniker which would only serve to fuel the negative stigma that homework questions here already have. The code of someone trying to solve a homework problem is still "their code", so I feel like the first radio satisfies this need.

I could be proven wrong, but I'm not sure this is necessary.

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    Since these two button appear to lead to the same path through the wizard, I agree. However, I think it would be interesting to see the difference in questions posted through those two buttons, and see if the homework one could later be customized to help folks improve those kinds of questions. Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 17:35
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    Neither changes the question that eventually gets asked, it just changes the guidance given to the user on how to ask their question which is able to be more specific for that use case. More specifically, it's telling them to describe the specific problem they're having implementing whatever their homework is, rather than to focus on what the actual homework problem is.
    – Servy
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:52
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    @Servy I think the one thing that really should be different in homework problems is that they need to be clear about what the requirements are. When the obvious answer is "use a for loop instead of a while", but the assignment says "you must use a while loop", that information has to be in the question or the answers will be useless. Or when the obvious answer is "fix that function to return a tuple instead of storing into global variables", but that function was given by the teacher and can't be changed. Etc. And that kind of thing almost never comes up in non-homework code.
    – abarnert
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:56
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    @abarnert That's not really any different than non-homework problems. Lots of professional problems still involve people with constraints, often even constraints that don't seem sensible.
    – Servy
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:04
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    @Servy It’s pretty rare for professional problems to have constraints that ridiculous. But, more importantly, people with professional problems tend to know when they’re working under ridiculous conditions like “can’t use BSD-licensed software” even if they’re complete novices to Stack Overflow, but students usually have no idea which conditions are ridiculous.
    – abarnert
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:49
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    @abarnert: You're joking. There are professionals who have to use Java 1.3 because of contracts signed long before they graduated high school. There are professionals who don't have the ability to move off of 32-bit systems due to some arcane and obscure mission critical application which refuses to run on an AMD64 architecture. There are professionals whose very job is to work in ancient systems and structures which haven't been touched in decades. (I'm looking at the Voyager developers and their new McLarens, with a tinge of jealousy.)
    – Makoto
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:51
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    @abarnert Sure. Students often don't know lots of things that are relevant when asking programming questions. I'm not opposed to including guidance that those types of questions are more likely to need to hear, including explicitly telling them to lay out constraints for the problem. It's just that that isn't a problem unique to homework, just a more frequent occurrence.
    – Servy
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:51
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    @abarnert: All that said, "ridiculous" doesn't really matter. They're constraints like any other constraint. Whether or not they're under the pretense of academia is fundamentally irrelevant to whether or not their question is on-topic for the site.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:52
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    @Makoto Yes, but those professionals know they have to use Java 1.3, and will usually mention that. Whereas a student who’s allowed to use Java 8 but isn’t allowed to use some obvious language feature because it’s part of next week’s classes doesn’t know that’s something they need to mention.
    – abarnert
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:56
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    @abarnert: I've gotta say...of the good homework questions I've answered, it's been vanishingly rare to not see their constraints clearly laid out. At a minimum, if an answer makes assumptions and plows forward with a solution that they can't really use or understand, that's usually addressed with comments and edits to the main question to highlight those constraints. It's a process, but I've never seen this process diverge any from the same process we'd have to use to get professionals to tease out their constraints.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:57
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    @Makoto Homework problems are not guaranteed to have ridiculous requirements that the asker doesn’t know are ridiculous, and professional problems are not guaranteed not to—but the probabilities are different enough that it’s at least plausible that it’s worth giving different guidance in the two cases: explicitly telling the homework askers to lay out all the constraints they’re operating under. Because in practice, it’s a real problem that people get an answer and only then say “That works when I run it’s but the assignment says I have to use a list”, making the answer a waste of time.
    – abarnert
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:59
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    @Makoto That being said, the most common reason for that problem (mostly only in Python, but that may just be because the other languages I look at are rarely used in intro programming courses…) is people trying to pretend they’re not asking about homework until it becomes unavoidable to admit it. So maybe just having a “Homework” that tells them it’s ok as long as they do the same research etc. will be sufficient to reduce the problems.
    – abarnert
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 20:03
  • You have a point; via comments we can eke out the artificial constraints so common in homework. But we're programmers. It makes sense to automate a manual process, and this menu can help with that. Nothing personal, this is meta after all, but -1.
    – MSalters
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 15:04
  • @MSalters: I'm worried that you have missed my point. Nothing about this wizard is even remotely automated, nor would this wizard suddenly automate the process of asking homework questions. Constraints are constraints and if the policy really is universal, we should be looking at this as constraints and nothing else.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 16:34
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    Shuffle the options when displayed. See if there's a statistical difference for people checking "homework questions." Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 1:54
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This tip says you should format your code, but doesn't show how. Maybe a link to editing-help in the tip would be enough

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Somewhere you need to explicitly prompt them for any Exceptions or Error messages. Possibly in the Guided Mode page?

I see a LOT of questions posted where the OP mentions an exception but does not include the actual detail, which results in a lot of back-and-forth in the comments encouraging them to post it. Encouraging them to include this in the first place would eliminate that noise and frustration.

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    And that's why I'd like to separate Runtime Error into its own path,
    – user3458
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:58
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    I sort of agree - make error/exception a separate path from general code questions. Splitting runtime vs compile time seems too discrete, and doesn't make sense for every language
    – Jason
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:01
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    I debated with myself about mentioning Linker Errors too :) Dukeling's answer has a better approach.
    – user3458
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:06
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This statement is true, to some extent. However, if anything really important is left out, or if the post is just a rough draft, it is just as likely the question will get closed before it gets edited by the OP.

It may be best to inform them that posting the question will yield immediate results and scrutiny. They will be expected to respond to any clarifications immediately. NOW NOW NOW. Something that really hammers in the point that this question is about to be seen by a lot of real people at once the split second it is actually posted.

Many new users are not aware of how instantaneous the response is here. As a result, there is a severe lack of attentiveness. I think there is an opportunity with this message at this point to at least give them some sort of warning about what is to come once the question is actually submitted.

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    "500 people will read this question in the next three minutes. Are you sure this is how you want it to look?" (replace 500 with whatever number) Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 1:51
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    We do see a lot of people disappearing immediately after posting a question. It would definitely be nice to let them know that they should stick around and look at any comments asking for further detail. Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 17:30
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    @JeffreyBosboom the amount of followers in the tag?
    – Braiam
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 18:01
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    @JeffreyBosboom "N people will read this question and ask you for more information in the next M minutes. Are you sure this is how you want it to look?" might be better -- it encourages them to stick around and ensure that they're present to update the question in response to comments.
    – Nic
    Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 19:40
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We should split "questions about my code" (and "homework problem") into:

  • Why do I get this error?

    (Have an "Exact error message" section)

  • Why am I getting the wrong output?

    (Have "Output I get" and "Output I want" sections)

  • How does this code work?

    Tip: Tell us which specific part of the code you don't understand.
    Tip: See if you can find documentation about the part you don't understand first, and whether that answers your question.

  • Can you write code for me?

    ??? (No?)

With the exception of the last point, all the others should probably also have a tip about debugging.

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  • This feels a little bit like this answer to me... Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 18:43
  • @AndréKool Yep. Upvoted :) I like this set of options much better than my own, I wish I could donate my answer's upvotes.
    – user3458
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:01
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    I would also like to have a code review honeypot: „I want to know how to improve my (already working) code“ Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 8:15
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    I just noticed I read something into your answer that is not actually there: I propose the first page should still have the exact same wording but when this option is selected there is a second page prompting for a selection out of these subpoints. Otherwise it would be overwhelming. Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 8:20
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    I want to upvote this approximately 3 more times.
    – Clonkex
    Commented Jun 22, 2018 at 2:04
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Putting myself in the shoes of a new user, I'm not sure what these numbers are supposed to mean. Maybe we need to put a legend, or make this tabular?

Might just be a minor nitpick though.

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    Putting myself in my own shoes even I don't know what the numbers on the right mean.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 13:38
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    @TylerH on the left: green background = with accepted answer. Number = current question score. On the right: number of answers on that question.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 20:10
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    I tried to put myself in the shoes of a new user but I can't find my legs Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 21:41
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    @Braiam I think we need to put labels to those numbers in one way or another?
    – Keale
    Commented Jun 21, 2018 at 0:08
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    I think you're right about this. As a new user, I don't think I'd understand what these numbers mean without a legend.
    – Jon Chan StaffMod
    Commented Jul 2, 2018 at 21:39
  • @JonChan Yes. Intuitively, I knew the meaning of the numbers on the left because I've seen that 'design' before. But I assumed the mindset of a new user, and I found that there aren't any labels of some sort for both of the numbers. Sure, not knowing the meaning doesn't do any harm, but some users might think that those numbers might be there for a reason, and some might get confused.
    – Keale
    Commented Jul 3, 2018 at 0:12
  • @Braiam thinking about it, it doesn't really make a lot of sense. Why is the accepted-status indicated by colour behind the question's score, rather than behind the number of answers? Commented Jul 3, 2018 at 15:44
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    @leftaroundabout as Keale said, it's used elsewhere. The UI is pretty consistent at least on that behavior.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 3, 2018 at 16:04
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First, it looks really nice, and looks like it has potential of reducing duplicated, and maybe even helping people find answers to their questions.

One thing I noticed is that many validations we have today are not displayed while filling the title, but are displayed only in the "Review" step - they would look much better at the appropriate step, after filling the title.
We may want to re-think how they fit in and whether they are still needed.

  • The wizard is missing keyword-based guides. Note that this is based on the title, not tags:

    regex-specific resources, tips, and links

  • The warning on potentially poor titles is also removed:

    Questions with similar titles have frequently been downvoted and/or closed. Consider using a title that more accurately describes your question.

  • And, of course, this problem issue:

    These words are not allowed in titles: 'problem'

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    The additional tips for each tag could be something like the tag-wikis, so the community is in charge of it, so it doesn't have to be hardcoded and can be individual for each tag. Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 20:27
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    Related: the warning about similar titles being frequently downvoted does not appear for me when I enter the Review tab, but it does appear when I modify the title in the Review tab. (I.e., that particular validation seems to run only on keypress in the Review tab). If this is not immediately reproducible, then note that I did switch back and forth between Description and Review a few times before I noticed.
    – indiv
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 21:40
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TLDR: Consider not showing the question editor in the review step.

The last step, "Review" has a format similar to the normal "Ask a Question" page. This may have been intentional, to get new users used to what that would look like, but I had hoped that the ask wizard would address a problem that I have suspected some new users run into. I've seen a lot of questions where I thought, "surely this person overlooked the question preview. If they knew their question was going to be posted looking like that, they would've tried to do something about it." I guess for some of them, that was probably wishful thinking, but hopefully not all.

I think having the editor available in the review stage draws attention away from the question preview. I think new users might benefit more from a confirmation step with just the preview, where the editor isn't shown and they get a prompt like "Your question will look exactly like this, and lots of people will start looking at it immediately. Are you sure you want to post it?" There's a similar feature request for the main ask page, and in some of the discussion there I see some points against it in that context, but maybe in the wizard it would be more fitting, since it's already a multi-step process, and you've made it simple to go back to previous steps to make changes.

Maybe it would also be helpful to mention in the text under "Review your question" that markdown editing help is available in the editor. "If you're having trouble formatting your question, click the question mark in the editor toolbar for help." I've seen many new users who didn't notice that was there until someone pointed it out to them.

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    Or just put the preview above the question editor instead of below it.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 13:41
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Putting myself into the shoes of someone who has never used SO I'd say the "tags" section needs a lot more information:

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Specifically some information on what a "tag" is and also information giving rough details on what to do with the expanse of white staring at them. Specifically some of the information that is currently in the "What are tags, and how should I use them?" help page, something like:

What languages, technologies, and/or frameworks is your question about?

A tag is a word or phrase that describes the topic of the question. Tags are a means of connecting experts with questions they will be able to answer by sorting questions into specific, well-defined categories. See here for more information.

Each question may only contain 5 tags at a maximum, so choose the ones that best describe your question.

To add a tag start typing into the box below. Select the relevant tags from the list that appears underneath.

This might seem obvious to us but it may not be to someone new to the site. Tags are an abstract concept that often new people get wrong, misunderstand, etc. The point of a wizard is to guide people through this minefield. This currently isn't really adding anything useful in this aspect. It's just showing the same information in a slightly different ordering.

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    When I first came to SO I was doing some iOS development, and I remember I used to think it was important to tag every question with "iphone", "xcode", "objective-c", "ios", and "cocoa-touch", which were usually not wrong tags, but they were rarely all totally necessary (e.g. "xcode" is likely not relevant to a question purely about arrays in objective c). I also thought I would be less likely to get an answer if I didn't fill all 5 tags for every question. So yes, I agree that more guidance would be good. Commented Jun 27, 2018 at 21:18
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I hope this picture speaks for itself:

Useless search results

No matter what, that list should start with this guy. It should also allow sorting using different criteria, such as upvote count or created/last modified dates.

Honestly: if you do not fix the really bad internal search for duplicated questions, then you can as well drop this part of the wizard. I have closed zillions of Java questions, and I almost never use the internal search. Because it is of no value to me, an experienced member of the community. Not a newbie making his very first steps here.

And remember, this is really not a new complaint.

And to be really clear: this answer is not a "duplicate" of Callums. He complains about links giving the wrong impression. I am complaining about the wrong links being shown.

Finally: having the wizard is a great idea, and I hope it works out. It is just that "finding duplicates" is such an annoying undertaking using the built-in search (and UI capabilities).

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    In order for this to work, there would be some significant changes to the way the duplicate search operates. It would need to strip out non essential words, similar to search engines (here is the standard list. That gets us to [java] nullpointerexception. It would then need to order the results (they are currently unordered), preferably by the number of posts linked to the post, and then by votes. This would get us pretty far, but is a lot of work. I think just starting with at least using the tag in the search would be a good step.
    – Travis J
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 20:06
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    @TravisJ I agree, this requires work. But as said: if the existing search isn't improved significantly, it really doesn't matter too much how the search results are displayed. Because they don't help. I also think that this place here isn't ideal to discuss the technical aspects of how to get to a better search.
    – GhostCat
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 20:08
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    Agreed - Travis J actually answered this question with this criticism already - meta.stackoverflow.com/a/369724/2756409
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 20:26
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    I did the same experiment and came to the same conclusion fail.
    – user177800
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 1:21
  • you mean AI on SO?
    – aswzen
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 11:11
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    Hey, remember when this was supposed to be improved as part of the Channels initiative?
    – canon
    Commented Jun 21, 2018 at 15:22
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The wizard strikes me as a little backwards: Current progression is tags -> title -> body.

When I write a question, I always write the body first, then the title, then take some of the suggested tags. Why not move tags to after the body, in order to take advantage of the tag suggester?

The title I can understand, since it uses the fancy possible-duplicate-suggester it could save time (and result in fewer duplicates) to write the title first.

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    My guess is that some of the later suggestions are (or are eventually intended to be) tag specific. I.e. the examples shown use examples specific to your tag(s), or tags with specific gotchas (like regex questions or SQL questions not mentioning the specific implementation they're using). I do think that having the title last is worthwhile, but I can imagine tags going either way.
    – Servy
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:55
  • I think it should be just as possible to identify duplicates based on the body as on the title. I also always write the body before the title. Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 20:00
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    Considering how broken the duplicate question filter is, and considering how actual question bodies better-inform question titles, I think question titles should be the last thing that people write (though I've already written at length about that). As far as tags first, I think it could be helpful to provide context clues for the system to pick up on certain phrases based on what is tagged. E.g. if they try to put in gdpr, they can be prompted with Law.SE before ever typing in their question.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:12
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    See Travis J's answer for a more fleshed out explanation on the benefit of tags-first.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:15
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    I agree the title should be last. I've read (and fixed) numerous questions that end with some variant of "so, in conclusion, I guess what I'm trying to ask is <thing that would have made a really good title>" while the existing title is along the lines of "noun noun error noun". I think that the tags should come first however, because picking those kicks the syntax highlighter into action.
    – Shepmaster
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:16
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    How about a re-prompt at the end saying "Now that you've written your question, can you improve the title to better describe it?" Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 1:54
  • That'd be great too, @JeffreyBosboom. I'd support that.
    – Undo Mod
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 1:56
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    I agree that the body should come before the title and tags. Writing the question body forces me to consider my angle of attack on a problem. It's kind of like writing the question and then summing it up in just a few words to create a title. I can write a specific title and include only the best tags.
    – hat
    Commented Jun 25, 2018 at 13:57
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This looks great for about half the potentially-good questions on SO—questions about debugging some attempted code, and about getting unstuck on a homework or non-homework coding problem. And it looks great for dissuading two major categories of off-topic questions, those that belong on softwarerecs and superuser.

But what about the other half of the potentially good questions? If I were a new user and wanted answers to a specific question about, say, working out how two different string search algorithms will perform on my dataset, or fixing a virtualenv setup so it stops picking up Python 3.5 installation instead of 3.6, or getting Xcode tooltips working again after a failed docs update, or understanding how Python implements isinstance… I think the wizard might be more misleading than helpful. I might:

  • misdirect myself to softwarerecs, or
  • click "specific question" and then be baffled when it asks for my code, or
  • click "other" and then be scared off when it tells me to include a bit of source code,or
  • click "other" and then include a bunch of irrelevant source code to my question, possibly instead of the information about, e.g., how I installed Python 3.5 and 3.6 and virtualenv and what platform I'm on—which would have been obviously useful if the wizard hadn't confused me.

So, I think the wizard needs to be broader, to cover other kinds of questions that can be potentially just as good as debugging and stuck-coding problems.

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  • Someone who made enough research to understand that they need to fix "a virtualenv setup so it stops picking up Python 3.5 installation instead of 3.6" - or any of your examples, really - does not need the wizard and will likely opt out (I would :) ). The wizard is more for the people who ask at the level of "Python gave me this error: how come?"
    – user3458
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:18
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    @Arkadiy These are all based on (my possibly imperfect memory of…) recent questions by users with single-digit rep that started off unanswerable, but were edited into shape (and started getting upvotes and answers) after some back-and-forth in the comments. So, I don’t think those users necessarily are experienced enough to jump past the wizard and confidently ask a good question without guidance; they may well be misled or scared off by the wizard instead.
    – abarnert
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:53
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    There are a lot of potentially good questions even newbies might want to ask that are discouraged by the current starting menu. Questions about a programming language ("Does C++ have garbage collection?"), questions about algorithms ("How to analyze time complexity of merge sort?"), questions about tools ("How to convert project to 64-bit in Visual Studio?"), questions about APIs ("Which HDC do I need to pass to GetDIBits?"). Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:29
  • @AdrianMcCarthy Yes, that's pretty close to what I was trying to get at here, and maybe explained better than I explained it.
    – abarnert
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 21:31
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Maybe a more general issue, but why is there no character limit to the tag box? You can overload it and cause text run off for days!

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The help box on the right side is a little... jumpy!

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  • I've seen other parts of the UI do this same thing. What browser are you on?
    – Undo Mod
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 1:02
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    @Undo It's Chrome 67 on Windows, but have also confirmed in Edge. FWIW I'm currently using a terrible 100 year old laptop with a fairly low resolution, so window size/media queries may be an issue.
    – DavidG
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 1:07
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I mostly track the EE site but filter the SO site for "verilog", "vhdl" or "fpga" tags. Thus my first action was to select:

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The "next" button dead-ends1 me one a page which says. "The Super User community is here to help you with a software or hardware issue."

I suggest you give the user a choice between going to EE, Super user or go back to SO (e.g. they have an FPGA, Verilog or VHDL question which is the grey area between SW and HW. )

1No, there is no way to go BACK the BACK button on my browser is disabled. That is not only annoying, to me it is rude! "We know what is best for you, do what we say!!! But that issue has already been addressed in other answers"

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    Probably that bullet should say "My computer isn't working" or something along those lines.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 25, 2018 at 16:25
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This is a more specific version of this answer.

After you choose software recommendation there isn't a single way to go back:

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    This is also the first option I tested, and was immediately stuck in that page. Also - I found the text really confusing, and I know what they meant. "The Software Recommendations community is here to help you with a software recommendation." - 1. X is here to X, makes sense, bu it isn't clear "Software Recommendations" is a name of a site. 2. Why does it say "here"? It is redirecting to another site ("there"). Maybe something like "Stack Overflow is mainly for code questions, but we have a network site for software recommendations".
    – Kobi
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:02
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    I kinda like this as a feature, actually. If you say you have a recommendation question, it's fine to make you do a little more work to post that question to SO. Still looks like a bug, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if we made posting bad questions harder.
    – Undo Mod
    Commented Jun 18, 2018 at 19:37
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Related to other answer here:

When recommending other sites, the positivity is overwhelming...

Indiscriminately pushing users to other sites carries a risk of eventually breaking proposed design. Something like that already happened in the past when some site communities forced Stack Overflow to remove them from migration targets (1, 2). If other sites get flooded by inappropriate questions from users misled by wizard, they can demand removing "quasi migration" references.

Links to other sites currently refer user to main pages of these sites. I think it would be safer if these would lead to help/on-topic pages instead:

Since the wizard already prepared a user that they will have to go some extra steps prior to posting, it would be only natural if they pass one extra step of going through other site help center page prior to posting over there, wouldn't it.

For a smoother user experience, I would also recommend showing an intermediate wizard page prior to throwing users to the other site. With text like...

${SiteName} has specific guidance on what kind questions are welcome over there. You are expected to review and follow this guidance if you plan to ask there...

...and actions allowing to pick whether to proceed to that site or go back to the prior wizard page.

It's worth noting that referring users to the Help Center pages instead of the sites' main pages addresses (at least partially) concerns raised in Ways to give users some specific education about question quality and topicality and multiple discussions linked to it.


(I also think it would be nice if you somehow announce at respective site metas that you are going to direct users over there in such an explicit way. Because at the scale of Stack Overflow this might have quite a noticeable impact on these sites.)

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    I agree. If they really want to ask a question on the other site they'll find the button eventually.
    – intcreator
    Commented Jun 20, 2018 at 1:58
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    what if it's their first time on the site and they don't know another site is best
    – ashleedawg
    Commented Jun 22, 2018 at 21:38
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Another thing that might be useful is some heuristic matching on the user's text. There are things that don't belong in every question, and asking enough questions to figure out in advance when they are and aren't relevant could delay getting to the actual question so badly that people just leave, but do belong in a lot of questions, and often require back-and-forth comments to get from new users. For example:

  • If the user mentions "error" or "exception", suggest that they copy and paste the compiler error, exception traceback, etc. into their question (and format it appropriately).
  • If the user mentions a popular tag but didn't include that tag in their question, ask whether they're sure they didn't want to add the protocol-buffers tag.

(I'm sure there at least half a dozen of these that would be useful, but I wanted to push the basic idea of matching text in addition to guided questions here, so I'll stop with two.)

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    Off-the-cuff suggestion: jsfiddle/godbolt/ideone link -> include actual code (can be friendlier then the red warning box) Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 2:02
  • The licenses with those playgrounds are not compatible with Stack Overflows license. Importing the code without the owner's consent (and probably even with the owner's consent) would be violating their original license. This is why we as users are not supposed to do that for users either. All we can really do is make it clear to the user that questions should be self contained. @JeffreyBosboom
    – user4639281
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 8:20
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    @TinyGiant I wasn't proposing to do it automatically. I just think the wizard can do better than the red warning box at educating users about why we want the code in their question. The box is small and immediately in the way of submitting the question, so askers want to just do whatever to satisfy it. In the wizard, we can prompt them before the preview step, and we have space for a "Why?" heading below the direct instructions. Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 18:18
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The very first step, "What type of question do you have?", doesn't help filter out requests for code review. "I have a question about my code" is exactly what someone looking for CR would pick, and their choice is immediately validated by a large, friendly "Great!". Having their questions closed as off-topic after this would probably come as kind of a slap in the face.

Given the amount of CR questions, I think it would be valid to split this into two distinct options:

  • I have a problem with my code.
  • I would like some feedback on my working code.
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  • I think the right place would be in (a|the proposed) split under the first point. Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 8:17
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    Code review questions are not inherently off-topic ("how can I make this code faster/less error prone/more magical?"), but they are subject to broadness and clarity issues as every other type of question. For example, "here's my code, what do you think?" Is overly broad, unclear, and opinion-based; but such a question would also be off-topic on CR IIRC. The major difference as I understand it is that we want generalized code that has been reduced to just what is necessary to get the point across, where CR wants the actual project code.
    – user4639281
    Commented Jun 19, 2018 at 15:18

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