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I've changed this from a feature-request to a discussion, since my ideas weren't (and probably still aren't) well formed enough to constitute a solid proposal. Thanks for pointing me in that direction, @YvetteColomb.

Here's my latest thinking:

  1. Currently, when you close a question as a duplicate, those who happen to come to duplicate first get to see the original, but those who come to the original first don't get to see the duplicate. It's not uncommon for a duplicate to actually gain traction and receive good quality answers before it's closed, so it's not ideal that links are only "one-way". A solution to this would be to have "merged Q/A pages", where you present a list of virtually identical questions (with a hint as to their quality) and allow users to sequentially step through each one.

    Mockup showing two questions merged onto a single Q/A page with second question selected:

    Mockup of merged Q/A page

    A nice property of this is that it blurs the lines between what would otherwise be completely separate Q/A's by making it easy to switch between them. I don't claim this is as unified as a true merge (where you end up with just one question and set of answers), but given that no human is required to choose the "better" question and determine whether the answers from the other question are fully compatible, it seems like a good compromise.


  1. This should perhaps be considered a separate suggestion, since it's not required for #1 to work and is apparently quite controversial, but if a quality question with quality answers is identified as a duplicate of an existing quality question with quality answers, neither should be closed. If we close one in this case, we are essentially choosing the "winner", but we have no real basis for doing this. Both questions should be allowed to live on, however, with the ease of switching between them (thanks to #1 above), this makes it somewhat as if they are one Q/A.

  2. This one may already exist (though I haven't been able to find documentation for it), but in the interest of making users (especially new users) feel welcome/included, we should ask users before "closing as duplicate" rather than making the decision for them. If users are given a chance to say, "Oh this answer from this other question answers my question", go ahead and close, but if they can adequately explain why none of the existing answers solve their problem, we should not close it. However, in either case, we should merge them (as in put them on the same Q/A page).


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Given that Stack Overflow has acknowledged it has an inclusivity problem, one thing that might help is to improve how duplicates are handled, which currently could be seen as punitive or harsh (even though that's not the intention).

I've had questions closed as duplicates before, and despite understanding the reason for it, I still felt a twinge of shame. (Even that time I voted to close my own question as a duplicate, it felt somehow unpleasant.) Now imagine if I were a new user and didn't understand the reason for it. I might feel genuinely alienated. When people are made to feel bad enough times, they don't come back.

Besides the inclusivity problem, there are practical problems with the way we currently handle duplicates. What if the older question (the one that doesn't get closed) has no answers that solves your problem? Once the question is closed, no further answers can be added, leaving you with little recourse. Also, I often see newer, duplicate questions that happen to gain more traction (votes, high-quality answers, etc.) than the original, yet the system favors the original.

From this post, there is apparently a mechanism for merging questions. However, it requires someone to painstakingly review both question and all the answers to determine whether the answers go with the "better" of the two questions. (I may not have this quite right -- there isn't much information in the help center for this feature.)

The type of merging I have in mind is much simpler. Just show all duplicates on the same Q/A page, and provide a mechanism to switch between the questions that makes it easy to sequentially step through each one. This eliminates the need to click through a complex web of links to find the best answer.

[see mockup above]

This opens the door to some interesting features. One that might be particularly useful is the ability to mark the answer to a merged question as the answer to your own question. The system could then "downgrade" the question by removing it from "new, unanswered" question lists (while still allowing an answer to be provided down the road, such as if existing answers become outdated). Features could also be added to better indicate the quality of the duplicate Q/A's (in addition to just N answers), so searchers coming to the page could better direct their effort toward the strongest Q/A in the list.

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    "The UI of the duplicate system unnecessarily makes question authors feel like they did something wrong" would be a better motivation for this kind of proposal than "Closing posts as exact duplicates is hostile, counter-productive, and one of the reasons Stack Overflow has an inclusivity problem" -- the latter, I believe, overstates your case.
    – duplode
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 19:58
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    What if the older question has no answers that solves your problem? If the older question doesn't answer your question, then it's not a duplicate and the newer question shouldn't be closed at all. The whole point of closing as duplicate is not to duplicate answers in multiple questions. But if the answers aren't the same there is no need to close.
    – BDL
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 19:58
  • But in general, I'm not against "merging" duplicates instead of close-link to a duplicate.
    – BDL
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 19:59
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    Clarification: according to your suggestion, would merged questions remain open?
    – duplode
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 20:04
  • How do you envision this working with multiple dupe targets for the same question?
    – Patrice
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 20:13
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    I try to handle the duplicate more gently and that's it: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/352439/… Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 20:52
  • Merging implies closing as duplicate and moving all the answers towards the target question and locking the source. Merging is closing as duplicate on vitamins!
    – Braiam
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 21:06
  • @Braiam As far as this feature request goes, the fourth paragraph (about the counter-productiveness of the duplicate closing) suggests otherwise, though it would be good to have confirmation of that point from devuxer.
    – duplode
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 21:11
  • "What if the older question (the one that doesn't get closed) has no answers that solves your problem?" Then the system doesn't allows you to close as duplicate. There's no problem.
    – Braiam
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 21:20
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    Maybe SO has an inclusitivity problem with users who don't want to be "included" in SO culture, but want their problem solved, right now. Who don't want to learn and adapt. Calling closing as duplicate "hostile" doesn't make things better. Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 22:05
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    I agree that SO sometimes has a problem with including newbies. But I've never had the feeling that gender/race/etc has an impact on the question. For a majority of users asking questions in my field, I couldn't even tell which gender or race they have.
    – BDL
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 22:23
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    @duplode and Modus Tollens, I agree, my tone could have been a lot better. I edited that paragraph to better reflect my thoughts and to hopefully distract less from my UI suggestion.
    – devuxer
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 22:28
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    @devuxer oh 100%. I was just saying I wouldn't personally feel this way, so I was trying to zero in on what makes you feel this way to see if it can be tweaked. I don't think merging vs duplicating will help in changing that (not that it wouldn't be a bad change. Just thinking it won't fix that feelings issue)
    – Patrice
    Commented Apr 15, 2018 at 15:32
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    @devuxer sorry if this sounds condescending...but you may want to be100% sure of how the duplicate system works before proposing to rehaul it so much? And while I get your point about not being great to close without the OP's consent.... How do you work with A) users who never come back to their questions? Or B) users who refuse to accept their posts are dupe, because they want a copy pasteable answer instead of understanding what they are doing wrong?
    – Patrice
    Commented Apr 15, 2018 at 16:37
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    @devuxer while I like your ideas - perhaps this would be better tagged as a discussion rather than a feature-request?
    – user3956566
    Commented Apr 15, 2018 at 16:52

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On a preliminary note, it is worth reviewing what is the point of duplicate closing. Closing questions as duplicates saves potential answerers the trouble of actually writing an answer; also, it often saves question authors time that would be spent waiting for a good answer to their question to be written. Furthermore, duplicate closing is an important consolidation mechanism: from the content curation perspective, the aim is avoiding having lots of redundant, essentially equivalent answers where one good answer (or a handful of them) would be enough.

I've had questions closed as duplicates before, and despite understanding the reason for it, I still felt a twinge of shame. [...] Now imagine if I were a new user and didn't understand the reason for it. When people are made to feel bad enough times, they don't come back.

There should be no stigma or shame associated with having your question closed as a duplicate. If, in spite of that, people consistently feel bad after running into the duplicate system, we should, before considering throwing away the whole system, look into UI improvements (for a past example, consider the rewording of the duplicate banner -- from "this question is an exact duplicate of" to "this question has an answer here") and behavioural changes that might dispel that. (By the way, writing a couple lines to explain to an OP why a non-obvious duplicate answers their question goes a long way.)

What if the older question (the one that doesn't get closed) has no answers that solves your problem?

Then the closure was wrong, and shouldn't have happened. Rather than getting rid of duplicate closure, a more measured way of addressing it would be looking for ways to get people to cast better duplicate votes, and to make it easier for question authors to draw attention to questionable closures (changes aimed at that have also happened).

Also, I often see newer, duplicate questions that happen to gain more traction (votes, high-quality answers, etc.) than the original, yet the system favors the original.

The system doesn't really favour the original. If you identify a pair of duplicates in which and the newer Q&A is better (the answers are better, the question is clearer, etc.), you should close the older question against the newer one. People not doing that consistently is primarily a behavioural issue.

(A related complaint about duplicates is having questions closed against very old questions with outdated answers. Avoiding that would likely involve better mechanisms to keep old Q&As up-to-date, and perhaps tweaks to the duplicate closure guidelines -- again, it shouldn't be necessary to demolish the entire system.)


The type of merging I have in mind is much simpler. Just show all duplicates on the same Q/A page, and provide a mechanism to switch between the questions that makes it easy to sequentially step through each one. This eliminates the need to click through a complex web of links to find the best answer.

Even assuming we aren't going to do away with the duplicate system, I do think this might be an interesting UI improvement. It would make browsing through the duplicates easier, which could be helpful in cases in which more than one of the questions happens to have good answers. There would be a few points to address about which questions should be listed (we probably don't want all of the ~7000 NullPointerException duplicates to be included), but all in all it sounds like a good idea once we place it in a different context.

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  • There should be no stigma or shame associated with having your question closed as a duplicate... I agree that there shouldn't, but I very strongly feel that there is. The system doesn't really favour the original. I'd like to know if that's backed up by data, but I'm glad to know that site policy allows for the older/original question to be closed as a duplicate. it shouldn't be necessary to demolish the entire system I'm not proposing demolishing the entire system--I'm proposing a different UI for handling duplicates.
    – devuxer
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 22:44
  • Reading meta.stackexchange.com/q/250981/242059, I actually really like that. Well, I like what it's hinting at at least, which is, let the questioner decide if the older question not only matches their question but also successfully answers it. It's entirely possible that two questions could be identical but that the older answers for whatever reason don't help the questioner. In that case, it would still be nice if the questions could be merged, however, people should be allowed to answer the newer question.
    – devuxer
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 22:49
  • Perhaps that little proposal I stuck in at the end really is necessary right away: let people check-mark an answer even if it's from one of the merged questions. (edit: this would be a perhaps elegant way to signal that the user no longer needs their question to receive attention)
    – devuxer
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 22:51
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    @devuxer (1) On "demolishing the entire system", I wrote the answer assuming your proposal entailed leaving merged questions open (in particular, the remarks in the paragraph starting with "Besides the inclusivity problem [...]" seemed, to me, to suggest that). If that is not the case, I probably should adjust my answer accordingly. (2) I see how accepting an answer from a duplicate might be helpful. Working out what it might take to make such an accept mechanism effective might get us to somewhere interesting.
    – duplode
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 23:17
  • I guess my proposal needs a bit of unpacking. The most important part to me is the concept of a merged Q/A page, where users can view and sequentially step through the duplicates. I believe this is a better system than one-way links, where depending which answer you come to first, you may not even know there's a duplicate.
    – devuxer
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 23:50
  • The other part of my proposal is that duplicates should not be closed. Maybe there's more to it than this, but my currently understanding is that the purpose of closing a question is to discourage the community from expending further energy on it. This should still be the goal, but is closing the only way? If the questioner is satisfied his question has been answered and check-marks the answer, the question should be removed from "new unanswered questions" lists, which would naturally solve the problem without the need to close the duplicate.
    – devuxer
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 23:55
  • To me, closing still makes sense for low quality questions or questions that are not appropriate for SO, but it doesn't make sense for a duplicate where one version of that question is not better than another simply because it happened to be asked first. I also don't see a need to outright prevent someone from coming along (perhaps months or years later) and adding a new answer (which could happen if the old answers are out of date).
    – devuxer
    Commented Apr 14, 2018 at 23:57
  • I just significantly updated my proposal/question with a new title and new content.
    – devuxer
    Commented Apr 15, 2018 at 0:20
  • @devuxer [1/2] (1) I believe your proposals -- specially the first one, which, on its own, is less likely to cause controversy -- would benefit from being separated from each other. (2) On the second proposal: "[not] expending further energy" is a writer-oriented motivation for duplicate closing; however, there is also consolidation, which should help both readers (ideally it would mean there is less to trawl through before getting to a good answer) and writers (it also would mean less posts to maintain, moderate, and keep updated).
    – duplode
    Commented Apr 15, 2018 at 2:09
  • @devuxer [2/2] The question you put forward -- "is closing the only way?" -- could be asked about consolidation as well. Adding the duplicate banner without closing the question would certainly count as a form of consolidation; what would be left to figure out is whether it would be enough consolidation. As for late answers to duplicate questions, one issue is that often there really isn't anything new to add (for a similar situation, consider the issue of questionable late answers to old, popular questions), though I can think of situations in which it would be a net gain to allow them.
    – duplode
    Commented Apr 15, 2018 at 2:09
  • @devuxer On a different issue: "I'd like to know if [that the system doesn't favour the original] is backed up by data" -- This SEDE query tells us that ~2.5% of questions closed as duplicates have targets older than themselves. The figure grows to ~14.6% if you only consider questions closed a week or more after being posted, which doesn't seem that bad of a ratio.
    – duplode
    Commented Apr 15, 2018 at 2:09
  • I take your point that closing helps consolidation, and I could persuaded that there probably are a number of cases where closing makes sense (e.g., the "null pointer exception" example), but I would still suggest that closing not be the automatic/only solution for duplicates. Here are two cases where closing should not occur (though merging still should): (1) you ask a new question and do not feel that one of the existing answers solves your problem and (2) two or more duplicates are of high quality and have several viable answers.
    – devuxer
    Commented Apr 15, 2018 at 2:41
  • @devuxer (1/2) About your examples: (1) Then op should update their question to reflect why the duplicate didn't solve their problem. I bet 90% of the time op just hasn't understood what the actual problem is and why the duplicate solves it. Now tailoring the answer to ops problem is not what SO is for. We are not here to help each and every user with their personal problem. SO should be a library for high-quality content that can be found by many people. Tailoring answers to specific situations is usually just noise and prevents people from finding the general explanation.
    – BDL
    Commented Apr 15, 2018 at 8:08
  • (2/2): (2) Duplicate closing is not restricted to linking to one question. There can also be multiple duplicate targets. But if there exist multiple questions with high-quality answers to the same problem, then duplicate closing has failed in the first place. There should never be two high-quality questions about the same problem that aren't duplicate closed. From reading your comments I more and more believe that what actually drives your feature-request is that you want custom tailored answers to duplicates which, in my opinion, is a bad idea.
    – BDL
    Commented Apr 15, 2018 at 8:08
  • @BDL, SO should not become a repository of obscure answers to obscure questions. I'm simply stating that just because two questions are duplicates, it doesn't mean the old answers solve the new problem. The primary example that comes to mind is that the answers could be outdated or version dependent. Another possibility is that two users are getting the same error message, but a solution that works for one user doesn't work for another due to configuration. In this latter case, you could argue it's not really a duplicate, but it would be so close, merging would still make sense.
    – devuxer
    Commented Apr 15, 2018 at 15:40

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