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There was a question about a specific instance of commenting and revenge downvotes (screenshot) that was up for more than a day and generated some interesting answers and discussion. If it violated some rules I would like to know what those are, where are they stated and why wasn't it deleted sooner.

If it didn't violate any rules then why was it suddenly deleted?

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    Perhaps more importantly, I want to know what the outcome of the discussion there was - was the offending user contacted by the mods? Is overt revenge downvoting something that they consider it their business to act on, or is their stance that we should just accept such things and not report them? There were competing opinions (by non-mods) on this on the now-deleted Meta question, with roughly equal support, and now we don't know the answer and will need to ask another question to find out. I guess once I'm done with work, I'll post a question and stir the pot yet further.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 15:06
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    @rene I'll look into how I can retaliate against Brad Larson for deleting the post, and perhaps identify somebody else whose actions I disagree with and poison their cat.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 15:13
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    @MarkAmery Please do. I suggest you make it general, this way we might actually get a response. Asking the mods how they handled a specific case probably won't be productive.
    – Oleg
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 15:13
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    I'm going to interpret the "please do" as responding to my first comment, there, @Oleg, although I got a laugh out of it appearing right after my cat-poisoning proposal.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 15:14
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    @Oleg don't worry, I'll be sure not to poison a specific cat but instead to poison cats in general.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 15:16
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    @MarkAmery - I escalated the whole situation to SE employees to review. Moderators cannot see individual votes, so I can't even prove that what was stated to have happened did. I can see that the two users involved were being serially downvoted by multiple people, and the discussion there was devolving into torches and pitchforks, so I decided to stop this and let impartial parties review the votes for invalidation. It's a textbook case of why public shaming on Meta isn't healthy for the site and it probably should have been deleted earlier.
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 15:36
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    Not a good day for the SO community in my view. Reacting to revenge voting with revenge voting, I thought we were above that sort of thing (for the most part anyway)
    – DavidG
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 17:41
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    Right, so the next time I downvote and someone asks for clarification, I'll comment "I didn't downvote, but it was probably because ..."
    – Mr Lister
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 17:46
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    This question belongs to the Meta Meta StackOverflow... (rule #1, you don't talk about the Meta on the Meta). Of course, discussions about if this question actually belongs to the Meta Meta StackOverflow should be posted only on the Meta Meta Meta StackOverflow. Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 0:55
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    @GerardoFurtado Meta is on topic for Meta.SO. It's within the purview of discussing how the site works or site policies and norms or getting feedback.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 1:17
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    @jpmc26 it was a joke... Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 1:45
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    Yes, @Makoto, that is a sane practice. Any Meta question which focuses specifically on the behavior of an individual user should be deleted and replaced with a (private) moderator flag. Not only are moderators the only ones with the relevant information accessible to them, but private matters need to be kept private. I believe that we moderators were mistaken in not deleting the question in question earlier. If you want to discuss an issue generally, then that's a fine Meta question, but don't refer to a specific user. In this case, though, everyone already knows revenge downvotes aren't OK.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 8:03
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    @jpmc26 I've said this on the previous question, but I'll say it again: no, knowing (and advocating for) policies followed by the moderators is our business. It's a large part of what Meta is for. We should not expect to be kept in the dark about what sort of behaviours merit moderator action.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 8:04
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    When the hornet's nest was buzzing the loudest right before Brad did the only right thing to do, I saw the single revenge downvote being described as a "revenge spree" by someone; at that point something broke inside of me. If you go that far to overstate something so you can condemn someone for their actions, you're out for blood. And that was pretty much the running theme in my opinion... fighting fire with even hotter fire. Makes you feel a little helpless.
    – Gimby
    Commented Nov 3, 2017 at 9:17
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    @Gimby Describing what he did as 'single revenge downvote' is a gross understatement. He 1. Asked for an explanation 2. revenge downvoted after he got what he asked for 3. bragged about it 4. Had a very high rep. The combination of all those things is what got people riled up (especially the emphasized part). Also only a small number of people(probably 4-5) revenged the revenge downvote all the others were only discussing it.
    – Oleg
    Commented Nov 3, 2017 at 13:16

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The moderator who deleted it gave this reason:

"As this question has resulted in targeted harassment of multiple parties, as well as the public shaming of people, I'm deleting it."

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    Ok, thanks. I don't see the reason when I go to the page, probably that's a 10k rep thing.
    – Oleg
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 14:31
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    Ha! What are they planning to do about the everyday targeted harrassment that comes from nearly any Meta question in which an SO thread or user is mentioned and tens of readers from Meta pile on with downvotes? Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 17:14
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    How should I know? Sounds like a Meta question of its own, @underscore_d
    – jscs
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 17:21
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    @underscore_d see Impose a 24 hour voting freeze on questions being discussed on Meta
    – gnat
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 21:07
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    It would be unsurprising if some users chose to flag the post as well, given the situation Brad noted.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 1:14
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    Using this link 10k users can still read it all, get enraged and downvote one of those persons. Hopefully they are responsible enough or fear the votes review now. Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 6:46
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    The revenge downvoters have attracted moderator attention now. They certainly have every reason to fear the review. We will almost certainly be contacting people who have tried to take justice into their own hands. This was completely unacceptable, and in blatant violation of not only the site's ethos but the site's actual rules. @Vladimir
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 8:04
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    @CodyGray I think you try to make it look more scary than it really is. Worst case there will be brief cool-down suspensions handed to particularly persistent repeat offenders. Serial downvoting has never been considered "big abuse" and this is unlikely to change in foreseeable future
    – gnat
    Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 9:43
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    @gnat Yes, the first suspension duration is only 7 days. That's all you'd get for the first offense, and that's meant as little more than a warning and cool-down period. Repeat offenses get much longer suspensions: 30 days, and then 365 days. I don't know what you mean by "serial downvoting has never been considered 'big abuse'". Yes, it has. All vote fraud is suspension-worthy, which is about a bad as it gets here. We don't reach through the monitor and slap you. The devs tell me that feature's still 6-8 weeks out...
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 9:45
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    @CodyGray I have been serially voted down several times and at least twice I knew who did it (helps to have only answers so you can see a drop in the rep of the guy who voted down a bunch of these) and nothing happened to these guys. Whatever threats you dream of here, these are currently no more scary than Halloween masks, and will likely stay that way (not that I complain though)
    – gnat
    Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 9:50
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    It has been my experience that what looks like serial downvoting from the perspective of a receiving user is often not actually serial downvoting when investigated by a moderator and/or community manager (the latter of whom can actually see individual votes and who cast them). We get a fair number of flags from people claiming they're the recipient of serial DVs, even citing similar evidence and fingering specific users, but more often than not, their assumptions are incorrect. That's not to say you should stop flagging. We don't mind investigating, precisely because we take it seriously.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 9:52
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    my cases I refer to in prior comment were definitely serial - I saw system reverted these in my rep tab and I saw rep of the downvoter getting recovered after -1s they've got while voting my answers. So, no, it is not that I am imagining things. Serial downvoting isn't dealt with as a big abuse and unlikely will ever be ...and unlikely that it even needs to be, if you take into account that automated vote reversal seems to become stricter at repeat attempts
    – gnat
    Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 9:59
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    @underscore_d There's a big difference between a bunch of people voting on the one post presented to them, which is what usually happens, and those people voting on a bunch of random posts of a user to enact vigilante justice on them instead of letting mods handle it. The former is voting on content, or at least indistinguishable from voting on content, the latter user targeting - user targeting is against the rules. Maybe the meta effect is undesirable, but this is much worse. Commented Nov 3, 2017 at 10:59
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    @jpmc26 I've mod flagged to have the edit history redacted, so the link is wiped.
    – user3956566
    Commented Nov 4, 2017 at 1:28
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    @JoshCaswell Eh, someone wanted to know why it disappeared. Given how upset people were, it's probably not bad for there to be some indication why it went away. I just thought it would be better not to link to it, so people wouldn't go find out all the details and then know who to target and all that. I was kinda on the fence about editing it out; I just thought it was probably better.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 4, 2017 at 5:35

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