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As part of our work on updating site navigation we have recently asked y'all to help us test the new top nav and provide bug reports and other feedback.

One feature that has garnered a lot of strong feelings from a number of people in the community was the fixed navigation - some people truly dislike it, though a number of other people have also told us how much they do like it (we have had multiple requests over the years to make the old top bar fixed).

This has been a somewhat controversial feature from the moment it was proposed - internally and externally, though in all the user testing we have done (focus groups and interviews), not a single person raised it as an issue.

Given this is very much something of personal choice and that many people feel strongly about, we have gone ahead with adding a user preference to control the fixed navigation behaviour.

You can access this option via your preferences page, where you will be greeted with this option:

unpin navigation preference

This works as you'd expect - check the checkbox to disable the fixed header, uncheck it to enable it. This will take immediate effect on the current page, though if you have the site open in other tabs, you will need to refresh them.

The option is per-site, so you will need to disable/enable it on each site that has the new navigation (Stack Overflow and Stack Overflow Meta at this point) - which is exactly the same way the keyboard shortcuts work.

We are taking on a bit of debt by maintaining two versions of something that exists everywhere, but we felt the objection from our more experienced users to seeing it all of the time was valid, and important to address. Settings to add frolicking unicorns or rainbow backgrounds are probably a bit too expensive for us to consider.

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    πŸŽ‰ Woot woot! πŸŽ‰
    – deceze Mod
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 13:10
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    @Cerbrus - yes, sticky is default.
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 13:11
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    All of us, @deceze, all of us (devs and designers)
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 13:13
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    γ‚ˆγ‚γ—γγŠι‘˜γ„γ—γΎγ™ πŸ™‡
    – deceze Mod
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 13:17
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    Expression of good will to you and the whole community too, @deceze
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 13:18
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    Well, I shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth (thank you so much for listening!), but I wonder why this is per-site? Surely the preference is logically a global one. Is it just technically easier to implement per-site?
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 13:23
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    @CodyGray - infrastructure, unfortunately. We would like to make keyboard-shortcuts global as well, but are not setup for that. One day...
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 13:26
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    Once the dust settles, I'd be curious to know how many people will choose a setting different from the default one.
    – Louis
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 13:46
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    If I could vote this up several times, I would! Thanks for listening to us.
    – RobH
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 17:56
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    @ShadowWizard - no ETA yet. We plan to launch on SO/MSO next week, localized SO sites (and their metas) after that. As far as I know, we don't have a complete plan yet for the rest of the network.
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 19:08
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    Now... can we talk about a setting for the color? Or just changing it for everyone?
    – TylerH
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 22:24
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    Great, but can we make the Meta settings echo the main site settings? Like KevinB, I immediately disabled this annoyance -- only to think there was a bug with Meta. Commented Feb 11, 2017 at 0:18
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    Huzzah! That is all.
    – jscs
    Commented Feb 11, 2017 at 2:15
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    To nitpick very minor details, is there a specific reason to have this set up a "check to disable", instead of "check to enable" (with checked being the default)? It's not that confusing, but it still feels weird…
    – RedBassett
    Commented Feb 11, 2017 at 6:20
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    Thank you! Credit where it's due: yours is the first "sticky" feature I've seen that didn't completely break typical Web browsing (meaning PgDn or spacebar) by hiding the content. I still turned it off the instant I read this, but I found it merely awkward and frustrating, as opposed to awful and infuriating. (It goes without saying that the "descending curtain of doom" style nav bar that crawls out from under the browser interface to devour whatever you were trying to read is Pure Evil, and I'm grateful that it never appeared here.) Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 23:21

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Oh not a setting.
Now I have yet another thing to choose!

Seriously though, thanks! No "if, but, why", just Thanks!

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    Please don't add "thank you" as an answer. Once you have sufficient reputation... oh, wait
    – Machavity Mod
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 13:14
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    Hear hear. I was getting used to the bar being stickied, but having it unstickied... I can't fully explain it but it brings more peace, the eyes don't automatically shoot up to the top-right corner constantly. So good to have this configurable.
    – Gimby
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 13:25
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    I still don't know how I feel about the sticky part, but my therapist is helping me work through it.
    – user50049
    Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 18:04
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    @Tim Post: How long until someone flags your comment as rude or offensive for trivializing mental health issues? ;)
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Feb 12, 2017 at 4:56
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Can this please be a global setting so I don't have to check the box on every single one of the dozen-odd SE sites I browse?

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    See here: "I need to talk so some people - but I plan to make that setting propagate across the network. ..." From NickCraver, a dev. (In other words, looks like this is the plan.)
    – Kendra
    Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 21:28
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This is good; I like it, thank you.

I find the terminology confusing, though. I realise that from an implementation perspective, "fixed" is the correct term for the sticky mode. But from a user perspective, I tend to think of "fixed" as meaning "fixed to the top of the page" rather than "fixed to the top of the window".

Perhaps we could rename this setting, or add some explanatory text alongside the checkbox that really explains what the setting does?

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    Agreed, "Disable fixed site navigation" is pretty confusing in more ways than one. Something along the lines of "Use sticky header" with an explainer of "When checked, the top navigation header will always be visible at the top of the screen" would be much easier to understand.
    – deceze Mod
    Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 10:49
  • Thanks for the feedback - we have changed the phrasing (with you in the next build)
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 18:20
  • @Oded: Ta duck :) Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 18:34
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    I don't want to make the creation of a succinct description of the navbar even more challenging, but: I'll note that the new navbar is fixed to the top of each and every page when the web page is printed. Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 22:46
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Spelling error: "stickyness" should be "stickiness".

Joke for 5-year-olds:
Q: What's brown and sticky?
A:

A stick.

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    Thanks for reporting. Seems I can't spel. Fixed in the next buyld.
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Feb 14, 2017 at 18:55
  • My (late) brother's favorite joke. Commented Feb 15, 2017 at 14:18
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Please reconsider the default option for this. I get that some people want one way and some want another, so an option is great, but whenever you have an configurable option for something, you still have to consciously choose a default.

I suspect most people would prefer non-sticky (my only data, the OP has one link requesting unsticky with +122 points and three links requesting sticky with each around -8 points). I also suspect that about 99% of users won't know there is an option (or even that there are options at all).

I understand from the blog post that you guys are really interested in engagements and A/B tests and other nonsense, but please don't try to make this site more like Quora. Quora already exists for the people who like that sort of thing.

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This kind of stickiness is almost useless. What kind of information does it provide?

  • stackoverflow: a title
  • Questions: a headline, the only item with some usefulness
  • Tags: a headline for browsing
  • Users: a headline for browsing
  • Search: only useful if you want to search
  • badges: only useful for narcissists
  • notifications: only useful the first time you load the page
  • sites menu: only useful if you are bored

Which of the above information is that important, that it is necessary to see it all the time while you read questions, answers or comments?

This kind of misguided gui design makes it necessary to buy each year a bigger monitor. What comes next? 72pt fonts for headlines?

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    I don't understand why you wouldn't just disable it if you don't like it now that it's an option.
    – BSMP
    Commented Feb 15, 2017 at 15:58
  • Did you read the blog post? Maybe you should read the blog post.
    – user4639281
    Commented Feb 15, 2017 at 16:03
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    @BSMP because the default is a useless and stupid idea.
    – ceving
    Commented Feb 15, 2017 at 17:47
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    It's useless and stupid? Where's your evidence? What tests did you run to determine this? Did you read the blog post? It has lots of evidence to support the change, and they did run tests to determine that. Maybe you should read the blog post.
    – user4639281
    Commented Feb 15, 2017 at 18:50
  • So you're not changing the setting from the default, which you don't like, because you don't like it? That makes no sense.
    – BSMP
    Commented Feb 15, 2017 at 18:59
  • @TinyGiant I marked it bold for you.
    – ceving
    Commented Feb 16, 2017 at 11:37
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    I can do that too. Did you read the blog? Maybe you should read the blog.
    – user4639281
    Commented Feb 16, 2017 at 15:37

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