Example: if there's missing code/info that only the OP can provide.
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10Then it shouldn't have entered the H&I queue. You can shuffle it on yet another garbage pile but this crap has already occupied too much time and energy with nothing to show for it. A downvote and a close vote gets the job done much quicker.– Hans PassantCommented Feb 9, 2017 at 18:21
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From the queue all you can do is use the "very low quality" flag to send it back to the triage queue, so that they can hopefully triage the post correctly this time and flag it for closure.
You can also go to the post itself and vote/flag it for closure for an appropriate reason, to help speed things along by sending it directly to the close queue.
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13Every time I did this I just ended up with a bunch of "declined - a moderator found no evidence for your flag" on my profile. I'm not overly worried about that as such, but it seems that this is not the correct thing to do(?) Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 5:53
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@Carpetsmoker Theoretically it is the correct thing to do. Problem is, flagging it puts it in another review queue... and that queue messes up like the Triage queue did earlier. Which is why I much prefer Servy's second option - open in another tab and VTC. And if you're feeling helpful, add a comment explaining to the OP how to improve the question. Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 8:45
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10Correct triaging is a big part of the problem. On back-clicking after triaging a post I see many "Requires Editing" reviews for questions containing no code where I have reviewed "unclear what you're asking". There may be a misunderstanding among, hopefully novice, triagers' that "Requires Editing" just returns the question to the OP without knowing that the response creates work for the H&I queue. A change to the Triage top bar help to delete "the author or" would make it clearer that someone other than the author will be forced to look at the question. Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 9:09
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Maybe it should be flagged as off-topic "Questions...must include the desired behavior...and the shortest code necessary"?– L777Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 9:27
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@freestock.tk The close reason you should use will vary based on the specifics of the question, which is why I didn't name a specific reason to begin with. Any of them may be appropriate for any given question.– ServyCommented Feb 10, 2017 at 14:05
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3Be careful what you are flagging for Low Quality. This flag is very subjective. Nearly all my declined flags are based on the H&I-Queue. Commented Feb 10, 2017 at 14:29
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1To expand an important point that @MarkFitzgerald said: the "(more)" text in the Triage queue, which novice triagers probably look to for guidance, explicitly defines the "Requires editing" category as being "for questions where edits by the author or others would result in a question that is clear and answerable", while the tooltip of the "Requires editing" button states that "this question could be good, but requires some time and attention of editors". The former seems incorrect.– lfuriniCommented Feb 10, 2017 at 14:32
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1@ChristianGollhardt It's the only option the queue provides, and it's what the guidelines suggest, so there's really not much of any alternative. I do realize that many mods don't understand the review system, the guidelines given for flagging, etc., but it's not like there are other choices.– ServyCommented Feb 10, 2017 at 14:33
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@lfurini It is incorrect, which is why I mention in the answer that the cause of this is improper reviews in triage.– ServyCommented Feb 10, 2017 at 14:34
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The problem is that VLQ is for obvious, unarguable garbage. I usually interpret that to be spam, a foreign language, or a cat walking on a keyboard. Help and Improvement usually ends up with things that should have been closed, but not bad enough for VLQ.– TeepeemmCommented Feb 11, 2017 at 20:55
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@Carpetsmoker et al You may find this discussion enlightening.– user4639281Commented Feb 11, 2017 at 21:12
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1@Teepeemm: Since all VLQ flags for questions go into Triage, and Triage can do nothing more than mark Unsalvageable (i.e., Close), it's clear that this definition of VLQ is wrong on SO, and has been for years. Commented Feb 11, 2017 at 21:15
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@Nathan According to shog, the VLQ flag should not be used in the H&I for anything that is not actually VLQ. Instead you should visit the question, downvote, close vote, and move on.– user4639281Commented Feb 11, 2017 at 21:17
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1@TinyGiant: If you're referring to the linked answer, that's outdated, since it predates Triage/H&I, and cannot possibly be applied as-is. If you're referring to something else, please link it. Commented Feb 11, 2017 at 21:33
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There are a few ways to remove a question from the Help and Improvement (H&I) queue:
Editing the post
This will remove the question from the H&I queue and nothing else will happen. If the post is off-topic in its current state and no amount of editing from the community will make it on-topic, this is probably not a very good option to pick.
Flagging as VLQ
This will remove the question from the H&I queue and one of the following will happen:
- If the question is still eligible for triage, it will be pushed back into triage. At this point it is very likely to be pushed back into the H&I by well meaning but unknowing reviewers.
- If the question is no longer eligible for triage, it will be pushed to a mod queue where moderators will review the flag as if you had flagged it in the wild. They have no way of knowing that the post was flagged from the H&I, and if the post isn't truly VLQ then you will get a declined flag and nothing else will happen to the post.
Either way, unless the post is truly VLQ, this isn't a very good option either.
Closing the question
This will remove the question from the H&I queue and the question will be closed. A single close vote will not remove the question from the H&I queue, the question must be closed for this to happen. If we can get enough H&I reviewers on the same page about this then this will be the best option.
If you see a post in the H&I queue that is off-topic and no amount of editing from the community will make it on-topic, flag it for closure or vote to close it if you have the privilege, then skip the review and move on. If all goes well, everything will work itself out in the end.