Timeline for On 'Help and Improvement' Review what should I do when I face a post that can be edited only by the owner?
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Mar 27, 2017 at 11:47 | comment | added | Christian Gollhardt | @Servy now I am banned :(. Related | |
Feb 14, 2017 at 15:43 | comment | added | L777 | I think its mainly fault of the button text: in Triage we have a button named 'unsalvageable' that sounds like 'not even the owner can rescue the question its so bad that it deserves the trashcan'. So when the question in focus is not that bad and can be fixed by the owner it isnt flagged with this button. | |
Feb 11, 2017 at 23:18 | comment | added | user4639281 | @Nathan Here is the answer which spurred on that chat, as you can see it was basically the same discussion as is happening here. As well closing a question invalidates the H&I review task | |
Feb 11, 2017 at 22:16 | comment | added | user4639281 | @Nathan Did you miss the part about what should be flagged as VLQ and what shouldn't? It doesn't change just because the post is in the H&I. If it is VLQ, flag it as VLQ. If it is not VLQ, but warrants closure, visit the question and vote to close it. At least that's what I got from all of that | |
Feb 11, 2017 at 22:12 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @TinyGiant: I'm not really seeing a hardline "don't use the VLQ option" stance anywhere in that discussion. Just "understand how things work at low levels so you can be prepared for whatever results". | |
Feb 11, 2017 at 21:56 | comment | added | user4639281 | @Nathan I'm referring to the chat discussion between me and shog that I linked above. | |
Feb 11, 2017 at 21:33 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @TinyGiant: If you're referring to the linked answer, that's outdated, since it predates Triage/H&I, and cannot possibly be applied as-is. If you're referring to something else, please link it. | |
Feb 11, 2017 at 21:17 | comment | added | user4639281 | @Nathan According to shog, the VLQ flag should not be used in the H&I for anything that is not actually VLQ. Instead you should visit the question, downvote, close vote, and move on. | |
Feb 11, 2017 at 21:15 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @Teepeemm: Since all VLQ flags for questions go into Triage, and Triage can do nothing more than mark Unsalvageable (i.e., Close), it's clear that this definition of VLQ is wrong on SO, and has been for years. | |
Feb 11, 2017 at 21:12 | comment | added | user4639281 | @Carpetsmoker et al You may find this discussion enlightening. | |
Feb 11, 2017 at 20:55 | comment | added | Teepeemm | The problem is that VLQ is for obvious, unarguable garbage. I usually interpret that to be spam, a foreign language, or a cat walking on a keyboard. Help and Improvement usually ends up with things that should have been closed, but not bad enough for VLQ. | |
Feb 10, 2017 at 14:34 | comment | added | Servy | @lfurini It is incorrect, which is why I mention in the answer that the cause of this is improper reviews in triage. | |
Feb 10, 2017 at 14:33 | comment | added | Servy | @ChristianGollhardt It's the only option the queue provides, and it's what the guidelines suggest, so there's really not much of any alternative. I do realize that many mods don't understand the review system, the guidelines given for flagging, etc., but it's not like there are other choices. | |
Feb 10, 2017 at 14:32 | comment | added | lfurini | To expand an important point that @MarkFitzgerald said: the "(more)" text in the Triage queue, which novice triagers probably look to for guidance, explicitly defines the "Requires editing" category as being "for questions where edits by the author or others would result in a question that is clear and answerable", while the tooltip of the "Requires editing" button states that "this question could be good, but requires some time and attention of editors". The former seems incorrect. | |
Feb 10, 2017 at 14:29 | comment | added | Christian Gollhardt | Be careful what you are flagging for Low Quality. This flag is very subjective. Nearly all my declined flags are based on the H&I-Queue. | |
Feb 10, 2017 at 14:05 | comment | added | Servy | @freestock.tk The close reason you should use will vary based on the specifics of the question, which is why I didn't name a specific reason to begin with. Any of them may be appropriate for any given question. | |
Feb 10, 2017 at 9:27 | comment | added | L777 | Maybe it should be flagged as off-topic "Questions...must include the desired behavior...and the shortest code necessary"? | |
Feb 10, 2017 at 9:09 | comment | added | Mark Fitzgerald | Correct triaging is a big part of the problem. On back-clicking after triaging a post I see many "Requires Editing" reviews for questions containing no code where I have reviewed "unclear what you're asking". There may be a misunderstanding among, hopefully novice, triagers' that "Requires Editing" just returns the question to the OP without knowing that the response creates work for the H&I queue. A change to the Triage top bar help to delete "the author or" would make it clearer that someone other than the author will be forced to look at the question. | |
Feb 10, 2017 at 8:45 | comment | added | S.L. Barth is on codidact.com | @Carpetsmoker Theoretically it is the correct thing to do. Problem is, flagging it puts it in another review queue... and that queue messes up like the Triage queue did earlier. Which is why I much prefer Servy's second option - open in another tab and VTC. And if you're feeling helpful, add a comment explaining to the OP how to improve the question. | |
Feb 10, 2017 at 5:53 | comment | added | Martin Tournoij | Every time I did this I just ended up with a bunch of "declined - a moderator found no evidence for your flag" on my profile. I'm not overly worried about that as such, but it seems that this is not the correct thing to do(?) | |
Feb 9, 2017 at 23:05 | vote | accept | L777 | ||
Feb 9, 2017 at 16:38 | history | answered | Servy | CC BY-SA 3.0 |