There is strong evidence that Crossover is an employer most of us would not touch with a pole. It's the pointy-haired boss, on steroids and with nuclear weapons. Read the stuff (e.g. on Quora), subtract all the hearsay, BS, and disgruntled interviewees and the picture is still horrific.
- Employees are under webcam surveillance to document that they are working
- Employees appear to be re-hired or rented out to other companies
- Payment is strictly by hours worked; zero sick pay, zero vacation, effectively making this a contract gig (which I thought Careers didn't do?)
- Most reports out there depict a work situation with zero interaction with colleagues; by all accounts, this is little more than a coding sweatshop - arguably offering little to none in terms of career or personal development.
- Given that the company is based in the US and the employees will be in poor countries, good luck settling any disputes without the help of a $200/hour lawyer, lol
There is a Q&A about this specific employer and the team's official response so far is twofold:
Korneel says the actual problem here is the targeting that is off. I take that to mean that the ads need to be shown in developing countries only, where there are people desperate enough to actually consider taking those jobs. Presumably, the filters work better now, so us good citizens of the First World no longer see them. What a relief!
Juice argues that SO Careers can't do quality control - that there'll be negative reviews on any employer - and SO as a company can't refuse to do business with clients for reasons other than "publically protected" ones (like discrimination).
The latter can't be true. It's very hard to believe that SO can't stop taking ads from a business that has already (provably, through several Meta posts: One, two, three) affected the community's trust in SO.
The argument that it's not SO's job to weed out bad employers is correct - to a point. Yes, SO can't follow up on disgruntled employees' (or interviewees') claims on how this and that employer is horrible. But what we have here is not just hearsay; the problem we're having is with the company's confirmed employment policies.
And boy, are those way out of line with what we've been told about Stack Overflow Careers' mission - making the world a better place for developers, and freeing them from all those bad jobs. I listened to several dozen podcasts a while ago while doing work around the house, and they are full of this stuff. Don't tell me I need to find the quotes and make transcripts.
Now there is an argument to be made that companies like Crossover, as bad and exploitative as they may be, provide opportunities to people who would otherwise have none - and $30k for a high-skill job (their going rate) can be a lot of money in a lot of places.
And that's a valid argument - but it's a slippery slope towards justifying pretty much any kind of working condition that isn't right-out slavery (if sweatshops in Bangladesh didn't employ children, they would have to do even worse things, right?) and I'm not sure how one can make this argument yet defend a $15 minimum wage at home with a straight face.
But back to the question. Even if we agree these kinds of jobs may have a place in the world (which I'm not at all sure about.) Should SO Careers be one of the places that runs these ads?
Is it really compatible with all that ethos about making the world a better place?
I don't think so.
SO Careers should not accept any future business from Crossover