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I have noticed a number of poor link-only answers in the last few days, however when I went to flag one as 'very low quality' (a couple of days ago) the option was not there. Only the 'not an answer'/'in need of moderation intervention'/etc were available.

This happened again today. Both posts in question had a score of 0, and were link-only answers.

No VLQ

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    It's still there. But the VLQ flag option is hidden, if the post has a positive score.
    – Floern
    Commented Jun 21, 2016 at 13:12
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    Does 0 count as positive? Commented Jun 21, 2016 at 13:13
  • No, with 0 you should be able to flag it.
    – Glorfindel
    Commented Jun 21, 2016 at 13:14
  • And yet I couldn't! Commented Jun 21, 2016 at 13:14
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    @RachelGallen It needed to have had a non-positive score at the time you loaded the page, not at the instant you click the flag button.
    – Servy
    Commented Jun 21, 2016 at 13:16
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    @Servy i chronically reload the page (to see new answers/questions etc..) it was still 0, and it wasn't a once-off occurence Commented Jun 21, 2016 at 13:17
  • @Glorfindel i have 1001 helpful flags - am i cut off after 1000? Commented Jun 21, 2016 at 13:25
  • No, and even reaching your daily # of flags would at least still show a message why you can't flag anymore.
    – Glorfindel
    Commented Jun 21, 2016 at 13:34
  • @RobertLongson the bug seems to only occur on answers, as indicated by title Commented Jun 21, 2016 at 14:22
  • @RobertLongson when i went to flag this question i got should be closed/ a duplicate/ in need of moderator intervention Commented Jun 21, 2016 at 14:25
  • @RobertLongson flaggable, yes. Note that this happened on Stack overflow, it wasn't on meta Commented Jun 21, 2016 at 14:29
  • So on this answer for instance to pick one at random there's no VLQ option but all other usual options are present Commented Jun 21, 2016 at 14:33
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    You seem to be confusing two different sites: meta.stackexchange (where your rep is 130) and meta.stackoverflow (this site) where your rep is synced with the main SO site every 15 minutes. Commented Jun 21, 2016 at 14:47
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    It seems that the VLQ option is gone for answers older than 7 days.
    – Pang
    Commented Jun 22, 2016 at 2:17
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    Re your rep. Here on Meta Stack Overflow your rep is the same as on Stack Overflow (12.4k). It's your Meta Stack Exchange rep that's 130. Double check which site you're on when you see the different scores.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Jun 22, 2016 at 7:54

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bluefeet's been doing a bit of analysis and soul-searching with regard to the Very Low Quality flag lately:

When flagging questions as VLQ, we're inadvertently sending too much noise to the moderators to handle.

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Problem 1: Currently, when a question is older than 7 days and it receives a VLQ flag it bypasses Triage and goes directly to the moderators.

There are a few ways we could've solved this particular problem, but the truth is that very few VLQ flags ever get raised on posts over 7 days old... Heck, 87% of all VLQ flags are raised on questions less than one day old. The vast, vast majority of the worst cruft gets cleaned up quickly...

...and when it doesn't, there's often something else going on:

  • Spelling or grammar problems aren't great, but a question that's been sitting around, answered, for months or years, is probably good enough to be understood. Editing to fix the problems or simply downvoting will suffice.

  • Extremely short or link-only answers are often of extremely poor quality, but those that've survived for years are usually at least understandable; their greatest flaws tend to be in not actually answering the question, for which there exists another flag (one used far, far more often already).

  • And then there are the thousands of terrible questions with no answers that no one has ever bothered to look at. Most of these will be automatically deleted sooner or later anyway; a flag doesn't really help much. A downvote will speed things along a bit though.

So as of about 24 hours ago, the VLQ flag is no longer available on posts older than 7 days (the precise value may change, but 7 seems reasonable). We'll be monitoring flags (especially NAA and "Other") to ensure this doesn't cause problems; feel free to voice any concerns here on meta as well.

Kudos to Michael Stum for implementing this change - also, please join me in welcoming him to the core development team!

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  • does this also impact low-quality auto-flagging? Per my observations downvotes cast on marginal quality answers tended to push these to LQ queue, would this still be the case for votes cast on answers older than 7 days?
    – gnat
    Commented Jun 22, 2016 at 7:16
  • I'm going from memory here, but iirc that works based on a hidden quality score coupled with the public post score, @gnat - so, unaffected.
    – Shog9
    Commented Jun 22, 2016 at 7:40
  • understood, thanks. Basically, the intent was to prevent only manual VLQ flagging, right?
    – gnat
    Commented Jun 22, 2016 at 7:43
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    To be clear, does this render obsolete the merging of NAA and VLQ flags? Is the end-goal to remove completely the VLQ flag for both Q + A?
    – Tunaki
    Commented Jun 22, 2016 at 15:34
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    I'd say no @Tunaki, we haven't made any decisions on that. The purpose of this change was to minimize noise going to the mods because of the way the VLQ flag and Triage worked or didn't work depending on your perspective.
    – Taryn StaffMod
    Commented Jun 22, 2016 at 15:39
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    Wouldn't a better solution have been to send these older VLQ flags to the queue, rather than directly to mods? The VLQ queue seems to be well under control.
    – Warren Dew
    Commented Jun 22, 2016 at 17:44
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    @WarrenDew The VLQ queue doesn't really work for questions that's what the Close Queue and Triage are for.
    – Taryn StaffMod
    Commented Jun 22, 2016 at 18:12
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    @bluefeet Looking at the length of the queues, I'd say it's the close queue that doesn't work, not the VLQ queue. VLQ is for things that are unintelligible, spam, or not even answers/questions, so it's easier to evaluate and easier to clear.
    – Warren Dew
    Commented Jun 22, 2016 at 21:13
  • @WarrenDew you look at it under wrong angle. Size doesn't matter much here. Close queue is less troublesome because it doesn't overload moderators: everything is intended to be handled by 3K users, and its size is controlled by config settings that age questions out of it automagically. Add that close votes and flags expire and recast and this makes it even smoother. LQ queue is different in that stuff that isn't quickly handled by reviewers gets to diamond mods (and it tends to be quite cumbersome to handle)
    – gnat
    Commented Jun 23, 2016 at 3:41
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    Hey that is great welcome @MichaelStum ! Commented Jun 23, 2016 at 9:07
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    @Jeff Thanks! Honored to be here
    – Michael Stum Staff
    Commented Jun 23, 2016 at 17:30
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    I'm confused by this answer. You say this change was documented in bluefeet's post. However, bluefeet's post only talks about disabling VLQ flags on older questions. However, as the question points out, apparently VLQ flags have been disabled on older answers, too. I'm not seeing that described anywhere in bluefeet's post, and I'm not seeing it justified. Is there a misunderstanding here about the distinction between VLQ flags on questions vs VLQ flags on answers, or a misunderstanding lumping the two into a single category?
    – D.W.
    Commented Jul 8, 2016 at 16:52
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    @D.W. As of right now the availability of the VLQ for both questions and answers is tied together which means that if either a question or answer are older than 7 days the flag is not available. Initially, yes I specifically looked at questions but the final implementation has changed for both types of posts. If we determine there is a need, then we can adjust as needed.
    – Taryn StaffMod
    Commented Jul 8, 2016 at 16:55
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    So just to clarify, if an answer is old it can't be low quality? What should people be flagging or doing with answers like this ?
    – Zze
    Commented Apr 18, 2018 at 2:47
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    The flag you raised was fine, @Zze - it explained a problem that wouldn't have been obvious from a cursory examination of the post. Strictly-speaking, it wasn't a link-only answer - there was the barest amount of auxiliary information accompanying the link. However, it's hard to argue that the answer still served a purpose with the link broken, and so removing it provides a useful service to future readers.
    – Shog9
    Commented Apr 23, 2018 at 20:22

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