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I just came upon this answer. It's certainly a good one, and solves the OP's problem (which is obvious by the comment they added under the answer, although they didn't accept it).

The question is about Spread.js by GrapeCity, and it happens that one of the GrapeCity team responded.

The problem with the answer is that it contains text such as

I am a member of GrapeCity's Technical Engagement team

and

Let us know if you have any questions! Best, Mackenzie

and

Note we also attached a sample showing this to your forum question on the GrapeCity website

Should I remove those? Should I edit the language to be more generic and speak as a user unaffiliated with GrapeCity, refering to GrapeCity in the third person?

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    The latter should definitely be removed. The former occasionally depends on whether or not the question requires an authoritative response. In this case, I'm not convinced it adds anything and can also be removed. Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 1:51
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    It's just fluff. You have the 2k to remove it immediately. If they roll it back, flag the post as a potential edit war. Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 1:52
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    Also there was a (now deleted) comment under the answer to the question author that I think was from you saying that it's "correct etiquette" to accept answers. Please don't post comments like that except potentially once if the user is new and has never accepted an answer before. Which is not the case here. See: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/251298/3270037 Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 1:55
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    The I am a member... bit is actually required. Quoting "The community tends to vote down overt self-promotion and flag it as spam. Post good, relevant answers, and if some (but not all) happen to be about your product or website, that’s okay. However, you must disclose your affiliation in your answers." Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 1:56
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    @chrisneilsen Only if promoting, but they're answering a question specifically about their own software, there's no need for disclosure there. If the question wasn't related to their software and the answer suggested to use it then it would be a different matter. Perhaps you missed the bit in the question that made that quite clear: "I've reached out to GrapeCity, developers of SpreadJS, and am awaiting a reply." Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 1:57
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    @Nick sorry, can't aggree with you on that. The help specifically says Post good, relevant answers, and if some (but not all) happen to be about your product or website, that’s okay. However, you must disclose your affiliation in your answers Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 2:03
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    @chrisneilsen Yes... Under a section labelled "self-promotion", which this is blatantly not, because they're not promoting themselves, they're answering a question explicitly about them. It's like asking visual studio devs to disclose that they develop visual studio when answering questions about VS, despite them just answering a question, which we wouldn't do. Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 2:06
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    @Nick, tell you what, you delete it, I'll flag it, and we'll let the Mods decide Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 2:10
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    @nick, this is just 1 mods opinion, but the section is actually labeled "Avoid overt self-promotion." And I think the text in said section, is intended to help in this regard. So explaining how your answer maybe biased, is a really good idea to help avoid being labeled as Self Promoting.
    – Stephen Rauch Mod
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 2:28
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    @StephenRauch But there's no promotion here, not even slightly. The question is addressed basically directly to them. They're not recommending use of their software, they're answering a question about it. By disclosing it they're providing an authoritative reference, but by no means does it make sense for it be required here. Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 2:38
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    @Nick, it is not about self promotion per se, it is about trying very hard to avoid the possible appearance of self promotion.
    – Stephen Rauch Mod
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 2:41
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    I would put the affiliation at the end not at the beginning, personally. Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 5:58
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    The rules say you must disclose your affiliation if you're self-promoting. Do they actually say you must not disclose your affiliation if you aren't? It seems to me that this is very good and useful information to anyone reading this answer. Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 21:53
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    @DavidConrad there are rules against presenting things that are immaterial to the post. For example, stating you're a student, or that you work for X when that info isn't relevant to the post. But disclosing that you're an author for a tool you are answering about is certainly relevant information to the post. Not necessarily required if you're answering a question about that tool, but relevant all the same.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 22:06
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    I put the affiliation at the end, because I think that content should come first and meta information like affiliation only afterwards. Commented Nov 16, 2021 at 11:57

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Disclosing affiliation with the product (or company, software, etc.) mentioned in an answer is always a good idea, and in general, disclosing affiliation is mandatory on Stack Overflow. However, one situation where it's not strictly required is when the question itself mentions the product. In these cases, it's not considered self-promotion, and the post would not be spam even if affiliation is not disclosed.

However, mentioning the affiliation is still a good idea, since it makes any bias the answer author may have apparent to future readers. If an answer already discloses affiliation, I wouldn't remove it, as that would make the answer worse. At the very least, leaving it in doesn't do any harm.

The additional pleasantries at the end of the answer are just noise and should definitely be removed, as has already been done. Likewise for the mention of posting the sample on an external forum: that is irrelevant to the question posted on Stack Overflow, and should not be included in the answer, so I've gone ahead and removed that sentence.

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    Re one situation where it's not strictly required... - do you have a reference for that? (Genuine question, I'd like to be sure on this) FWIW, I don't see anything in the Expected Behavior help or even How to not be a spammer that suggests an exception. Both state you must disclose your affiliation in your answers, with emphesis on the must Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 3:38
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    @chrisneilsen Actually, I only learned about this myself fairly recently as a result of participating in the Charcoal project, which deals with spam content quite a lot. Here's a message by Makyen; if you scroll down a bit, you can see the conversation, in particular this part which convinced me of the merits of allowing this exception. I'm not aware of any meta post that explicitly says this though (not counting this one I just posted ;)).
    – cigien
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 3:52
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    "...in general, disclosing affiliation is mandatory on Stack Overflow..." Not sure about that. In general, I do not have to reveal anything about my identity here, basically posting anonymous. Only in cases of self-promotion, revealing affiliation is required. I would therefore not call it mandatory. Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 5:57
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    "Likewise for the mention of posting the sample on an external forum: that is irrelevant to the question posted on Stack Overflow, and should not be included in the answer" - if this comment would have had the link to the sample, wouldn't it be pretty much the same thing as quite common "there is a full example here", with a link to larger example? which in itself would be link-only answer but is an ok addition to otherwise full answer
    – eis
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 7:15
  • The link to the forum could also be posted as a comment: not necessary for the answer, but useful if somebody wants to learn more about the issue.
    – Marijn
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 10:33
  • I try to remember to disclose my affiliation if I make an unsolicited mention of my product, but I don't consider it necessary if the question is explicitly asking about my product. The reason for the rule is to discourage advertising or self-promotion and a factual answer to a technical question about a product is not advertising or promotion, wherever it comes from. Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 13:06
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    @Trilarion I'm not sure I follow your logic there. Disclosing affiliation is mandatory (except for the edge case mentioned in this answer). The fact that one could post anonymously, or otherwise hide the fact that they're affiliated, doesn't change this requirement. If it was somehow discovered that one had linked to some resource with which they're affiliated, without disclosure, that would be considered spam, and having posted anonymously is not an excuse for that. (It might even look worse in that case, since it might look intentional).
    – cigien
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 15:00
  • @eis Yes, if the answer had contained a link to the forum, and the contents of that link was in some way relevant to the post, and didn't just repeat content in the answer, leaving it in would be fine. As it stands, there was no link, and simply mentioning that there is some information somewhere else is not really helpful; it's just noise in that case, and can safely be removed.
    – cigien
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 15:03
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    I think people are really overthinking this. Suppose you were looking for help with whatever this question was about. And suppose you found this answer which appeared helpful. And suppose it turned out the answer was from a member of the dev team of the software. Wouldn't you want to know that? I would. Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 21:56
  • Its not about what you want or don't want. SO requires disclosure under certain circumstances. outside of that, it's up to the user.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 21:58
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    @cigien "I'm not sure I follow your logic there." Sorry for the confusion. David Conrad says it actually better than I can below the question here: "The rules say you must disclose your affiliation if you're self-promoting. Do they actually say you must not disclose your affiliation if you aren't?". That's exactly what I wanted to say too. Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 22:05
  • @DavidConrad I absolutely agree that it's always helpful to know if the author is affiliated with the product, and I personally prefer answers that do that. There's certainly no rule that says affiliation should not be disclosed in any circumstances. This answer is just pointing out a situation where disclosure is not required. While it's a bit of an edge case, it's not really "overthinking" the issue; it's good to be clear about where the lines are drawn, as far as possible. cc Trilarion
    – cigien
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 22:56
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    It's worth pointing out that in this specific case, the user name of the person answering is "GrapeCity Team", and they link to the Grape City web site in their user data. While that is not an explicit disclosure, it's unavoidably a strong implicit disclosure, regardless of what is disclosed within their answer. That general approach is both prudent and helpful when answering questions about your own software: you can't be accused of non-disclosure, and readers can make an informed evaluation of the authority of your answer.
    – skomisa
    Commented Nov 16, 2021 at 0:56
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    I'm not sure that it is 100% a bad thing to post links to non-SE resources (such as forums) in an answer. As a researcher, I don't want to hit dead ends AND I like it when there is more of a trail to follow if I am not 100% finished researching. My opinion is that it isn't hurtful to drop a link to related content outside of SE at the bottom of the answer. I am sure there will be users here that disagree with my opinion. Commented Nov 17, 2021 at 3:02
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    @Braiam "A good idea" !== "This must be done 100% of the time or banned"
    – Kevin B
    Commented Nov 17, 2021 at 19:27
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Repeat after me:

Disclosing affiliation when answering questions about your product makes zero sense.

We didn't require such thing with Jon Skeet when answering questions about Noda Time, we aren't going to start now. It makes no sense. If the objective is to avoid self promotion, there's zero promotion in that answer. The question is about a user of that product and someone answered without mentioning a product that is not on the question. It's not as if the user was recommending another library to solve the problem, it was recommending how the user could solve the problem they were facing with their product.

Requiring this will only make sense on a help desk situation, and I'm sure nobody wants that. Just remove the fluff and move on.

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    Disclosing affiliation when answering questions about your product makes zero sense.
    – user17242583
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 23:09
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    I actually disagree wholeheartedly with this answer. There are plenty of cases where disclosing affiliation does make sense, as described in the accepted answer and the comments beneath, despite some opinions going back and forth both ways on the matter. Just my .02.
    – T-Heron
    Commented Nov 16, 2021 at 0:16
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    I agree that requiring disclosure of affiliation when answering questions about a product doesn't make sense, but disclosing affiliation can nonetheless sometimes still make sense.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Nov 16, 2021 at 0:37
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    It makes perfect sense. The fact that the author is affiliated with the product that the question and answer are about is useful information for people who might consider either that an authoritative response is more likely to be correct, or that a response from somebody invested in a product is less likely to admit to problems with that product. Having an exception when the product is already mentioned in the question would not make sense, because those rationales don't depend on the product being introduced into the discussion by the answerer themselves.
    – kaya3
    Commented Nov 16, 2021 at 2:57
  • @RyanM the later I agree, but only on certain cases, like for example: you are recommending your product as a solution to a problem. In other cases, who cares.
    – Braiam
    Commented Nov 16, 2021 at 13:42
  • @kaya3 that's how you get collectives. Do you want collectives? No? Then remove the armbands.
    – Braiam
    Commented Nov 16, 2021 at 13:43
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    If I am getting help from someone who is officially associated with the thing I'm asking about, I want to know that! Commented Nov 17, 2021 at 6:04
  • @DoYouEvenCodeBro and if the answer is wrong? What happens? Are you going to claim that because they are "official" they are right? Absolutely not. Then if you are going to evaluate the answer as if it was any other user, why would you care who answer it, other than if the answer is correct or not?
    – Braiam
    Commented Nov 17, 2021 at 17:13

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