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Would it be better if the OP of a question gets a notification when a user flags their post to be closed? Something like:

Your post has been flagged as "Need Details Or Clarity". If necessary, you can review your post to see if you can include more details or further clarify your problem as an edit to prevent your post from being closed.

I feel this would save a lot of work in the reopen queue if the potential issue(s) of a post gets fixed before the post gets closed (if the flag was valid).

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    The more I think about it the more it sounds like a good idea. I really won't mind something like this being implemented. There might be some negative effects like OPs ranting in the comments but that is a usual occurrence anyway.
    – Sabito
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 3:25
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    Perhaps the person who flagged could be notified if the post was edited, so they could retract their flag if they think the post is better now? Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 3:50
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    @mediocrevegetable1 In SOBotics there is a bot named the Generic bot and it does just that (for answers though). Whenever I use a certain userscript to flag NAA answers, this bot takes note and later notifies me if the answers were edited. I am sad to tell you that I hardly get any positive notifications. In most cases, they just ignore my canned comments and keep making their NAA a better question. So I don't think this would be a good idea. It gets annoying fast.
    – Sabito
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 3:54
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    @mediocrevegetable1 you can always hit follow on a post and you'd be notified for any changes. That's what I do for pretty much anything I downvote and some of my close votes. If there is an improvement, I can go and retract the downvote or even change it to an upvote. It...happens very rarely. The edits, at the very least. The ones that improve a post are still rare but not as rare as edits in total. I wish I had stats but I don't. I can give you some fictitious numbers for illustration purpose, though - maybe 10% of posts I've followed are edited. Of those, maybe 20% are improved enough.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 7:21
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    @mediocrevegetable1 I have to be honest, the comments are an issue. I sometimes follow because I'm interested in comments. But also some times, I'm only interested in edits. Or answers. If a post is getting a lot of comments, you can wait an hour or two before following. Keep it open in a tab and come back to it later, for example. I do wish there was a way to filter what notifications you get from following.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 7:47
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    @mediocrevegetable1 I've finally decided to post a FR for this: Allow for more granularity of notifications for followed posts
    – VLAZ
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 10:43
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    What scenario you are trying to handle? The user is normally expected to actively participate upon posting the question and should respond to comments. The user normally don't post many questions. The old questions are not in any kind of urge anymore. So why do you want to have notification? To act between first and last flags (after which it is closed) as I understood? How much time is it? Will it be enough? I believe this is totally useless feature (it will not help), which is prone to rather annoy users (me at least). Just stay active at question for a while. You don't need notifications.
    – Sinatr
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 11:03
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    @Sinatr Except half the time (more or less) posts are closed without anyone commenting.
    – Red
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 12:04
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    “Perhaps the person who flagged could be notified if the post was edited” - I flag dozens of questions a day. If I wanted to be notified a couple do that already with an existing function. I would stop flagging if I were notified of every edit to every question I flagged. Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 13:22
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    Flagged? No. Closed, sure.
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 14:09
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    One word answer: yes Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 16:27
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    I'm wondering what effect this would have – how often would it warn people of an imminent closure, how often would spurious flags annoy or misguide? Is there actually enough time to act between the first flag and the closure? In other words, are there any numbers relevant to this - say the frequency and timescale of an individual flag preceding an actual closure? Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 16:34
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    Similar question but about showing close votes to the asker: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/314116/3440745. It is marked with "status-declined". Notifying a user about just flags seems even more questionable than just showing close votes.
    – Tsyvarev
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 19:18
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    This question sounds like a valid QOL feature request. Fundamentally, there IS NO topic until the OP creates it anyway, and it's the OP who dictates it. There are no dumb questions, just unclear, unaddressed, or unasked. Clarifying is an easy fix. While the OP should monitor the status of their own questions especially, there's no compelling reason not to be notified and given a little grace period to restate a question. Perhaps a setting to toggle such a function would be appropriate. That way, those who's life would improve by it could enable it. Nothing at all wrong with options.
    – endorpheus
    Commented Mar 27, 2021 at 1:21
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    Instead of adding another level of complexity and frustration for novices, I would prefer more time to be spent creating a more accurate explanation of the reasons for closure. Those who want to learn will have a better understanding of how the site works, those who do not want to learn will never learn even with a notification
    – Steve
    Commented Mar 28, 2021 at 10:23

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I don't think it's a good idea for the OP to be notified every time their question gets flagged. This is because flags are not as accurate as close votes. If the OP's question gets a close vote, only then they should get notified.

Of course, if the question is flagged for closure and the flag gets marked as helpful, then notify the OP.

Also note that many people (myself included) flag a good dozen or so questions for closure. If I wanted to be notified of an edit, I would follow the post. I don't want 15 notifications in my inbox, because they're very hard to read.


Lastly, I think the message could be slightly reworded:

A fellow user has voted to close your (question)[link here]. Kindly review your post and edit to make any changes necessary while following any feedback given by other users.

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    Regarding the 3rd para, I know the comments discuss this at great length, but as far as I can tell the question is not suggesting that the flagger get notified at all. The suggestion is that the OP gets notified when their own post gets flagged.
    – cigien
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 17:42
  • If the OP is to be flagged, it should only be the first instance of it being flagged that they get notified. Like you said "I don't think it's a good idea for the OP to be notified EVERY TIME their question gets flagged", but just the first time might be good for the OP until the OP edits, then they can be notified again.
    – brw59
    Commented Mar 27, 2021 at 20:33
  • If anything, it should be when the vote is the last one before the vote succeeds, with a notification like Your post is about to be closed as <reason>. Here's what you can do to fix it. Commented Mar 28, 2021 at 5:07
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    @Qix-MONICAWASMISTREATED I think the first vote would be better IMO. Not only would it give more time for the OP to fix their question, but it would also allow a higher chance for a post to not be closed after a good edit since there would still be 2 more people to judge as opposed to one before the question finally closes. That's just how I feel though. Commented Mar 28, 2021 at 9:00
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    @mediocrevegetable1 The problem with a single vote is that one person can cause a wave of noise across the platform if they so chose. A single person's overzealous opinion shouldn't cause a notification in someone else's inbox. It's just more noise added to the site. By only creating a notification after a few votes, then it indicates there's a stronger trend that something is indeed wrong since multiple people have indicated as such, but not enough that it's been closed yet. Commented Mar 28, 2021 at 9:13
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    @Qix-MONICAWASMISTREATED true, I hadn't thought about it that way. You do raise a valid point. In the case of being informed at the second vote though, I wonder which reason should be stated in case of different reasons, or even both reasons (though that could be misleading too, not sure). Commented Mar 28, 2021 at 9:22
  • @mediocrevegetable1 Yep, that's certainly another problem you'd have to solve. Commented Mar 28, 2021 at 12:08
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    I don't like your rewording. It converts a suggestion into an outright instruction and seems to take for granted that there is something wrong with the post, that it can be resolved by editing, and that following feedback from other users is a good idea. Those things aren't reliably true even when a question actually gets closed, let alone after one close vote, and we shouldn't be telling users to obey instructions they're given by someone who casts a close vote on their question without first judging for themselves whether those instructions are sensible or misguided.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 9:21
  • @MarkAmery It isn't an outright instruction. It's just worded as a suggestion. I don't see how Kindly review your post and edit to make any changes necessary while following any feedback given by other users. is an outright instruction. Plus this message cannot apply in all circumstances, nor can any other message due to the high number of questions on Stack. Usually there are comments which tell the user what is wrong with their question, which is where I got that from. If there are no\misleading comments on the post, then most people will ignore that part of the message.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 18:49
  • Not every suggestion or message can be applicable in all areas. That's impossible.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Mar 29, 2021 at 18:51
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I agree something is broken here, but I don't think the proposed solution would work out as well as one might like.

The whole point of closed questions has been, historically, to guide the user to edit and then subsequently flag to reopen (with the exception of dupes). This is how quality was controlled in the early days and it worked well when the site was substantially smaller.

It's not supposed to be a dead-end.

The fact this flow doesn't currently work has two root issues, in my opinion:

  1. The notice and 'stigma' surrounding closed questions has never felt very encouraging to the user. This is a long-standing issue Stack Overflow has had, especially for new developers coming to SO for help for the first time - there's a reputation of posting a question, having it closed immediately, and then giving up on SO entirely.
  2. The reopen queue lags and takes quite a while to effect change, if at all. This is time taken away from potentially legitimate problems that might be blocking the user.

These two things alone amount to lost time (on the asker's part) and often leaves a bad taste in their mouth.

If anything, we should be encouraging edits to questions with much, much more guidance on how to ask good questions, and then streamlining the VTO queue somehow. Closed questions get buried and quite often left unanswered regardless of if the user has edited to improve it.

Unleashing a shotgun blast of notifications to users after voting to close a number of them shouldn't be the solution here. It'll only add confusion and it isn't a straightforward problem.

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    You can learn how to repair just about anything on a car on youtube in just a few minutes. SO could do so much to help educate users and help remove the stigma with some relatively short informative videos with examples
    – charlietfl
    Commented Mar 28, 2021 at 12:43

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