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Stack Overflow is not just a wiki. It is a discursive learning platform.

Over-eager duplicate checking and the resultant rapid closing of questions harms this latter use case for Stack Overflow.

Oftentimes duplicates are not exact duplicates, but closely related to existing questions. These kind of questions can offer a first step on the ladder for contributors to answer "easy" questions within their knowledge domain.

Letting people answer these questions delivers a better learning experience for both the questioner (they get a tailored response), and the answerer (they consolidate their knowledge by putting it in an answer).

Furthermore, oftentimes the users posing these kinds of question are completely new to Stack Overflow. A more helpful first impression will make them more likely to stick around and contribute when they are more knowledgeable.

Please can we be more forgiving of duplicates and near-duplicates?

Note I am NOT saying duplicate checking should be removed altogether. I am saying it we should be more forgiving.

Existing, related questions can, of course, continue to be linked from these questions.

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    Can you provide an example or two of questions that would be better no to close? In my experience, most of these cases can easily be solved with a couple comments.
    – yivi
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 14:32
  • So, you're saying, wait for x months/years until we close a question as a duplicate? Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 14:34
  • No. I'm saying accept that near-duplicates are a reality that cannot be avoided, and that there would be positive side effects to a less strict approach to them - and that there are negative side effects to strict closing of them.
    – Ben Aston
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 14:35
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    My understanding is that we had duplicates so that experts didn't have to continuously answer the same questions, and so that new users could find better answers to their questions. What's the exact benefit here? We're hand-holding more, moving away from "we're building for the future", and.... gaining what exactly?
    – Patrice
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 14:41
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    This question could really do with some examples of cases that would be better off answered than closed, as Yivi asked.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 14:41
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    @Ben: The problem here is that the suggestion isn't that strong without an example that illustrates why it's an good idea... As it is right now, it's too vague.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 14:53
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    @Ben but then we lose the main power of duplication. You'll always have someone who wants more precious unicorn points and try to spin that "this near duplicate should stay open so I can get better, more tailored answers to my question!" And then, with enough dillution of our good content between many duplicates... we become "just another Q&A site." As for the "I wanna discuss in the abstract". Well in the abstract, me (and I think a good chunk of the community) thinks duplicate works fine as it is. So.... In the abstract, I don't see a big incentive to change it :/
    – Patrice
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 14:53
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    Not really. Nothing new, and nothing that outweighs consolidating knowledge in canonicals... Just because an idea gets suggested multiple times doesn't mean it's a good idea.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:02
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    For near dupes the closure is usually enough. If that's not the case, a small comment giving the user a nudge in the right direction should be plenty.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:10
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    SO's mission is not to help the user. It's to help all future readers. Future readers aren't helped by 100 questions with 200 tailored answers with minor variations. Future readers are helped with good questions and good solutions that illustrate the problem and how to tackle it.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:12
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    The point of duplicate closure is to prevent similar answers appearing all over the place. Duplicate closure is a signpost saying "this was asked before, find your answer here". Duplicate closure makes search machines find the right questions.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:13
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    I'm not going to repeat myself, or I might as well close the comments as duplicates of one another.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:17
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    "[Stack Overflow] is a discursive learning platform". I don't think so. Do you have any support for such claim? Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:21
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    @TadeuszKopec a while ago there was a (failed) attempt to officially present it as a thing for learning
    – gnat
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 16:06
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    I would submit that requiring a novice to read some 3rd party code and a good explanation of the problems with it and a solution to them, and then understanding that solution and applying it to their own code is a better learning experience than simply be handed the solution tailor-made for their own code. Of course it's harder and people might not like it because of that, but we're not here to make it as easy as possible for each individual person.
    – deceze Mod
    Commented Jan 22, 2020 at 8:36

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The inherent danger in the approach you suggest, is that you end with endless variations of the same question.

Even now, since dupe closures are not dealt as quickly or relentlessly as you imply, this happens.

And the problem with that is that this is helpful for the asker. But it is detrimental for the repository and all the future users that will consume the repository.

Because by adding more and more variations of the same questions we are just adding noise, that makes it harder to find pearls among the sand.

The main discussion here is the same that we have every now and then: what's the site's objective? Conceptually, the original idea was to build a high quality, highly curated, low noise, repository of question and answers.

We do so by asking questions, and in the process we help the asker. Which is great, although secondary.

When the question is closed as a duplicate, we are still helping the asker, since we are pointing them to the right place to find a useful answer. Of course, one can always supply additional information in comments to help the asker bride the gap between their specific variation and the target dupe.

All in all, I do not think going in the direction you suggest is helpful. The signal/noise ratio would decrease even further.

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  • This signal to noise risk can be mitigated by clearly linking the canonical at the top of the dupe. My point is: we might see an overall better outcome by leaving more questions open (while at the same time linking to the dupe).
    – Ben Aston
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:21
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    No, that doesn't help. You still have more posts adding noise to the search results. A few signposts are good, a forest of signpost, not so great.
    – yivi
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:22
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    @Ben: Your suggestion results in increased noise by allowing answers on dupe-closed questions (but only on some of them, which is vague)...
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:22
  • Maybe simply permitting answers on all dupe-marked questions is the answer.
    – Ben Aston
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:24
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    How is that the answer? You keep on insisting it's "better" without explaining why, or addressing our issues with the suggestion.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:25
  • @Ben then why having duplicate at all if the answer is already giving? Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:25
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    "enabling answers on near-dupes will deliver a better experience for novice users of the site by delivering them a tailored response" And the problem there is that that's not the mission of SO. That's a problem we stated multiple times and you haven't addressed.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:32
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    Sorry Ben, but you haven't. Again, even if the questions are linked you have a multitude of signposts, the forest I mentioned earlier. That's incredibly noisy and hard to maintain. The idea is to have a useful amount of dupes, variations that could make easier to find the answer if users are searching by different keywords. Not infinite variations that would choke any attempt of indexation, and would make curation even harder than it is.
    – yivi
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:34
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    @Ben Build a high quality programming Q&A repository. I think I mention this in my answer above.
    – yivi
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:36
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    I do not think we have a question scarcity problem. But we do have a question quality problem.
    – yivi
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:39
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    Let me turn that around, @Ben: What do you think makes subject matter experts come to SO? Not having to wade through dozens of duplicates of the same null pointer reference and newbies that don't understand AJAX certainly helps.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:40
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    The main issue is here again that we focus on "pushing anyone away from SO is bad" instead of focusing on what we should always focus on : our place as a repository of knowledge. Personally I go to stack cause, unlike other forums, I don't have to check 14 different questions and answer sets. I find one, and if it's not the one I need, there's usually a canonical. I then read the dupe, I extract the info I need, add it in my "programming knowledge", then I apply it. If I needed specifics, tailored answers... I'd go back to school to learn. Stack isn't a learning platform :/.
    – Patrice
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:42
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    @Ben: Writing the same answer over and over again isn't exactly a good learning experience for the author.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:44
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    and then we teach everyone "it's ok to ask dupes, someone will come in and tailor any answer you want to your specific question. No need to learn programming or evolve your knowledge. Someone will always be there to regurgitate it for you". At this point... let's just drop question quality altogether
    – Patrice
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:47
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    This is moving in circles, very rapidly. The same arguments are repeated, and I see no attempt to address several points that were raised.
    – yivi
    Commented Jan 21, 2020 at 15:49

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