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I flagged this answer as Not An Answer, but it was declined with "a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it" even though it consists pretty much entirely of a documentation link.

Was the review incorrect, or is my understanding of what makes an answer link-only completely wrong?


The answer has since been deleted by its original author. Its complete text is shown below:

Take a look at the Media Player Framework

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  • So, there's user with access to moderator tools privilege that can take a screenshot of the corresponding Q&A pair? Cody only provided link to some of deleted answers which may be about the question, or not?
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 14:35
  • @Braiam I quoted the entirety of the answer in this question. If you want a screenshot of the full Q&A, it's here.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 17:15
  • For me it was an answer but with very low quality.
    – Gourav
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 17:44

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It is a link-only answer, according to the accepted definition.

The answer you flagged amounts to saying "you can find an answer if you look at the Media Player Framework". That pretty much falls under the "apples are sold over there" example from the famous apples post.

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    Shog referred to this difference in this comment: Difference between "there might be beer down the street" and "the house beer at tomersh's pub is good". Media Player Framework is a specific name of a framework that can be used for the answer. Something like "There's a framework to do this already" without naming it is like your "apples are sold over there," but not like this answer, which gives a specific answer.
    – Davy M
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 16:15
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    Pointing to something that can be used for the answer does not constitute an answer, unless the question is "what can I use for accomplishing this and that". Providing pointers to resources or documentation describing how to do stuff is not sufficient, the answer must remain valid and applicable even if the resource is no longer available.
    – artem
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 16:18
  • Could you provide a source for that claim? The accepted definition says for the example "The answer can be found over here: <link>" that "Notice that this is not necessarily the same thing as 'link-only answer' (although there is much overlap). In particular, answers where the link itself is the answer to the question are excluded and should not be flagged. For example, where the link text is a function/API and the link target is the associated documentation."
    – Davy M
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 16:25
  • If/When the resource becomes unavailable, it says to flag "only if you cannot improve the post yourself and the only possible solution is deletion. Examples of ways to fix a low-quality link-only answer are: Editing in the pertinent information from the link. Try to summarize the information in your own words and quote relevant parts..." So this is not to be flagged as not an answer if it can be edited.
    – Davy M
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 16:27
  • My personal opinion is that these effortless answers should be burned with fire, but that is not the accepted definition of link-only as you claim. I think it's silly that the bar for deleting these is so low that only the most worthless junk can get deleted by the flag, and that we're supposed to save posts when we can instead of straight up deleting them. But that's not what the accepted definition of Link-Only says, and it's not how moderators have repeatedly said these should be handled. If you want to change to how such answers are considered or handled, you'll need a feature request.
    – Davy M
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 16:30
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    There's a difference between a link to a function/API and a link to framework. It's obvious how to use a function or API entry - you call it. How do you use a framework? There's a million of different ways, but basically you read the documentation, find out how to add it to your project, find out how to initialize it, find out which API or functions to call. Saying "use this framework" does not actually provide any information at all. No information => not an answer.
    – artem
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 16:30
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    The Media Player Framework is the answer. It's the difference between someone handing you a beer in a bottle, and someone pouring it into your mouth. What you're saying is, the delivery wasn't good enough. They didn't open the bottle and pour it into your mouth. Or, they didn't walk the person through exactly how to use the framework. Those are downvote reasons, not deletion reasons. You are also, like John, missing the real issue, which is the question.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 17:17
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    The question is too broad and is basically asking for a tutorial, but sometimes questions like this may turn out to be OK, for example this one. Returning to the beer analogy, I view this question to be more akin of "how can I make a beer", not "where can I find a good beer".
    – artem
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 17:23
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Not an answer vs Very low quality flags

There's so much confusion about these two flags, I treat them identically note. For a flag on a post like this, I wouldn't decline the flag. The answer is basically a link to a framework. Yes, the framework is an answer, but it is low quality as it stands and should be a comment as a hint to the OP. If an answer is flagged as 'not an answer' and is 'very low quality', I mark the flag as helpful and vice versa. Working on the premise that the flagger is acting in good faith and trying to communicate that it's a lousy answer.

Declining flags

I don't subscribe to following the 'letter of the law' when handling flags, but rather the 'spirit of the law'. Everyone volunteers their time on here and if people are attempting to curate the site, it's better to support them in how to do this, without being too officious about it. It's a problem on the site and in society generally, that I suspect is a part of human nature.

When a person flags many answers to one question as 'not an answer', often in the case when the question asks for an offsite resource. I will tend to decline those flags to push the flagger towards flagging the question for closure instead. Often they are answering the question, but the whole question and answers need to be deleted. My view is, it's about getting rubbish off the site as easily as possible. Raising multiple flags to achieve something that could be done with one flag is time wasting.

I decline flags for one reason:

To teach people how to flag effectively.

If the flag serves the same purpose, by bumping the post into the review queues or the mod queue for possibly deletion and should ultimately be deleted, I mark the flag as helpful. If the post shouldn't be deleted, I decline it.

Handling the flag by deleting the question

When handling answer flags I usually check the question, as it's not uncommon for poor answers to be posted under poor questions. It's important to treat the source.

Instead I would close and delete the question, as the question is too broad. Deleting the question would delete the answer and automatically mark the flag on the answer as helpful.

When deleting a question I generally leave a comment:

Please raise a mod flag to have your question undeleted if you edit it to be on topic. See How do I ask a good question?.

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With the one exception that a low quality flag that is marked as helpful, automatically applies a downvote to the post.

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It isn't link-only under the accepted definition:

…answers where the link itself is the answer to the question are excluded and should not be flagged. For example, where the link text is a function/API and the link target is the associated documentation. Another example can be found here.

A handy rule-of-thumb is to strip the markup: if it's still an (attempted) answer without the link, then it's an answer and should not be flagged.

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The link text there is the name of the framework that should be used; the link is merely supplemental. If you strip the markup, it's still an answer—albeit a bad one.

When you come across answers like this, it pays to look at the question. That's what I did. Also, you kind of have to, because you can't adequately judge whether or not something is an answer unless you at least skim the question to which it is attached.

In this case, the question was asking something very broad, but this answer does, in fact, provide a direct answer to it. According to this answer, if you want to add Apple Music Connectivity to your iOS app, then you need to use the Media Player Framework. It also included a handy, optional link to the documentation for that framework.

Of course, when looking at the question, you'll also notice that it sucks. A large part of the suckage is owed to the fact that it solicits answers like this one. That's why I closed it at the same time as I declined your flag on the answer.

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    Almost any link to a framework is going to have the framework's name in it though. By that logic they're all valid answers. Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 0:42
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    Question: "How do I compile C code?" Answer: "Use the gcc compiler". Is it an answer? Well, yeah. Is it a bad answer? Well, yeah. Could someone possibly write a better one? Umm, dunno. Do you flag it? No. Do you flag the question? Yes.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 0:43
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    I mean, that just seems like a ridiculously low bar to clear if the only thing they have to do is mention the name of the thing they're recommending. Edit: is something wrong with tagging in comments right now? The auto-complete didn't pop up and then when I typed it manually it disappeared after posting. Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 1:01
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    There's no point in pinging the person whose post you're commenting on, because they're going to get notified anyway. Yes, our bar for what constitutes an answer is pretty low. Moderators don't judge the technical correctness or usefulness of answers. That's done with votes. You still seem to be missing the fact that whether or not something is an answer depends on the question it purports to answer. This one did answer the question. I don't see any way in which it failed to do that. Do you, @John? Can you explain to me where this answer failed to be relevant to the question being asked?
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 1:04
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    The question didn't ask for a framework, they asked "what I would need to do" and "how to add it into my app." Sure, the information they need is somewhere in the link, but again that logic can apply to most link-only answers. Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 1:07
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    @JohnMontgomery The information is in the text of the link (What I would need to do? [Use] the Media Player Framework). Now, that might be a wrong answer, but it is an answer to the question. Being wrong or otherwise not useful is a reason to downvote, but not necessarily to flag. The answer is an answer, regardless of the link. If it had said "Take a look at [this](example.com)", then it would be link only, but it contains "Media Player Framework" which is enough to get over that very low bar of being "only a link." Wrong answers aren't to be flagged.
    – Davy M
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 3:17
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    @DavyM So what would have made that answer link-only, then? The name of the framework is in the URL, after all. Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 3:42
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    @DavyM So that answers my question then. Don't ever bother flagging totally-not-link-only answers because the bar is so low it's literally impossible for them to not make it. Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 4:06
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    @JohnMontgomery Yup, that bar has been discussed many many times already, and that is the community consensus: Link + Direction = No Longer a Link-Only Answer?, Please define “link only answer”, Link Only Answer - Not An Answer Declined... each of these are like you describe, and the consensus has been that the bar is so low you can barely trip over it.
    – Davy M
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 4:09
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    Example of "not an answer" because link-only. Here's another one. Don't like those? Try this one.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 4:30
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    I can't see any of those... Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 4:37
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    @John Ah yes, that's because I deleted them. While you wait to earn 10k, here's an amalgamated screenshot.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 4:48
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    Except it's NOT an answer to the question, because they didn't ask for just the name of it. Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 4:59
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    @JohnMontgomery No, you're saying you don't think it has successfully answered the question. NAA is for things that are not attempts to answer the question. That you think it fails to answer the question, due to a lack of detail, is something you're free to reflect in your vote. That lots of other people like to falsely claim that just because an answer fails to answer the question it should be flagged as NAA doesn't make it any less incorrect.
    – Servy
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 21:28
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    I'm really confused here. What part of the linked, official guidance is unclear? We've tried to address all of these concerns.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Mar 22, 2019 at 22:05
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As always, problematic questions leads to problematic answers. Remember, answers do not exist in a vacuum. They are related to the question. Saying "You need to indent your code" can be a improvement on formatting or an answer depending on whenever or not you formatted your code or you are asking how to format your code.

The question is very lousy. Says that "there's an API" but doesn't specify which API it's talking about. What problem has he with the API it has found? There's too much lack of information, that answerers can (and did) suggest anything and it may be considered an answer.

The guidance specifically says that there's only one exception for using the not an answer flag, and it is when the question is asking for non answers. In this case, the question was so low quality that it attracted equally low quality content. The bar of what qualify as an answer is usually set by the question.

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