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So first to clear some things out. I read this comment on this answer:

So does a mod see when a user flagged the post and does he looks at the post how it looked at the specific time? Especially what to do when I flagged an answer as NAA and the user changes the answer right before the grace period ends, so that there is now revision created? – Rizier123 Apr 21 at 20:21

@Rizier123 We see it as it is; but not the same as you see it. We see it without any links or formatting, we just see plain text. When I scanned it; it didn't appear to be an answer. I've handed a few hundred flags today; so I'm not surprised that I missed one. Thanks for catching that and letting us know. – George Stocker♦ Apr 21 at 20:26

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds for me as a mod would only see the post as plain text in the latest version as it is.

And if this is correct, I think the view how a moderator sees a flag should be updated and he should see more than only the plain text of the latest version!


Just to give an example here:

I flagged this answer when it was at revision 1 as NAA:

And as you can see it got declined. And I think this is due to the fact that a mod only sees the latest version of the answer and he doesn't see when I flagged the answer and how the answer looked like at this specific time.

So if I'm correct with my understanding of the comment above, I kinda can understand why it got declined when a mod only sees the latest version of a post.

But for me this screams for an update of the view which moderators has when they handle flags.


So I would request that the view how a moderator sees flags gets a new layout/interface. I think a moderator should see the revisions of the post with the specific time when it got changed and he should also see which action happened at which state of the post (Maybe he should even see the comments on the post, since they are maybe important to the flag).

So with my amazing paint skills this could look something like this:

Because I think right now this is not ideally how mods see flags. So is something like this realistic which could be implemented? Or did I not understand the comment above properly?

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    link only answers are still answers, so it likely still would have been declined even with no revisions.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 17:28
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    @KevinB At revision 1 the guy only asked OP questions and didn't answer the question (link only answers are still answers I don't think so, if the link breaks the answer would be with no value). But now this is not the point of my question here. I'm asking for a new layout how moderators see user flags
    – Rizier123
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 17:30
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    I feel your pain. Here's a comment I left in regards to this answer being low/poor quality I might add, where it doesn't explain anything. Learn they say; how? Try this my ******. *I wonder what goes on in people's heads. Stack wants us to flag low quality posts and mine was disputed. What does this say about their flag options? Sweet "you know what"... - Moderators need to sharpen their kitchen knives, far as I'm concerned. Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 17:31
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    @KevinB: Link-only answer belong killed immediately with prejudice, read the famous castle post: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/225370/… And first revision was some comments asking for clarification and a link with the helpful announcement "this link might help". Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 17:35
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    @KevinB: No, that's not what the VLQ flag is for. But the queue handles both NAA and VLQ flags. Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 17:47
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    I'll agree at "an attempt to answer", but if a butcher can't back his craft/trade with a good and edible piece of meat, then he's obviously not in the right field and using poorly sharpened tools to work with. @KevinB ;-) Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 17:53
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    I'm not sure I would want a moderator acting on a now-useful post just because it used to be a sub-par post. Which is essentially what would end up happening here. Otherwise, what would be the point of this? To have the mods say, "Oh, yeah, they're right, this answer was terrible. Now it's not." and give you a helpful flag even though there is no reason for them to act on the flag at this point? How would this help anything, except to boost "helpful" flag counts when an OP takes the time to fix their post? How do you expect this to change mod behavior?
    – Kendra
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 18:16
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    @Fred-ii- - FYI, moderators had nothing to do with the handling of your flag: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/7897176
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 18:19
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    @Rizier123 It's not clear to me what moderation benefit would be gained by implementing a view like this. If a flagged post was once bad, but it's good by the time a moderator gets around to it, the moderator should treat it like a good post. Your flag was de facto not helpful (i.e., it turned out not to improve the the site), even if flagging was the right thing to do at the time. Maybe there just needs to be better education that a declined flag is not an insult and just means that your flag ended up not being helpful, either due to a mistake on your part or the passage of time.
    – apsillers
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 18:20
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    @apsillers The point is: declined flags counts against you See my comment: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/291974/…
    – Rizier123
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 18:23
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    @Rizier123 And how will this change that? If when the mod gets to it, there is nothing for them to do and no need for them to handle the post, it is no longer a helpful flag. That's just a fact of life. My point was more, what do you expect mods to do with this new information? I would expect mods to see the revision, if this were implemented, nod a little that it was originally a bad post, and then decline the flag anyway purely because the flag was no longer helpful and there was no need for them to get involved.
    – Kendra
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 18:25
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    @Rizier123 I'm aware that declined flags negatively impact your flags' weight and can earn you a temporary flag ban. However, I think this problem is rare enough that it's not likely to seriously impact your flag weight. (I am ready to entertain the argument that my estimate here is wrong.) I think the negative impact of moderators wasting time deciding whether a post used to be bad (which gets us no benefit in site quality, because the post is already good) outweigh the minor negative impact to a user's flags' weight.
    – apsillers
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 18:26
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    Look at the very low quality queue. How much more complex would that view be if you also were presented the last, say, 1 or two revisions, if not all of them?
    – Kevin B
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 18:33
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    Well, I can now confirm that the (my) flag that was rejected, came from people who either give low quality answers themselves, or know squat about the question/functions/related code in question. They just click on "Looks good" without reading the question and what's involved while probably gaining some points for badges; truly pathetic. Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 18:35
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    Agree we need to fix the moderator view for flags, in many, many ways. But the flag you build your case around is a terrible example - expecting moderators or anyone else to approve the flag if it's still active on a post that has been corrected as dramatically as that one is crazy: the problem simply no longer exists. Ironically, if you'd flagged it as Very Low Quality, the edit itself would've marked the flag "helpful"; NAA doesn't work that way though.
    – Shog9 Mod
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 20:54

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I'm totally on board with fixing the formatting of links in the moderator flag summary page. If there are links in a post, the summarized version we see in the list of flags should have those links highlighted. We shouldn't have to go to the full post to see that there are links in this text. I know there have been instances of spam that weren't immediately obvious from the flag queue due to the links being hidden.

While we're at it, it would be nice if they brought back the old coloring scheme where the titles of answers are grey and the titles of questions blue. Under the new design, all titles are the same blue color in the moderator flag queue, which makes it impossible to pick out which flagged posts are answers and which questions. That has led to some accidental deletions when questions were read as being answers.

I'm not as big a fan of the history view you're talking about. That would clutter up the flag queue with a lot of information that is irrelevant for almost all posts. Also, how would that help us to act on a flagged post? If whatever the post was flagged for (lacking some details, having a swear word within it, etc.) has been corrected by the community, did we even need to be involved to begin with?

Out of courtesy, I sometimes will dig into the history of a flagged post (we already have access to a timeline view like the above) and mark a flag as helpful if it was about something that has been fixed, but this isn't a common occurrence. Again, if the community has corrected the problem without our involvement, did the flag need to be cast?

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    Perhaps if intervening edits occur, the flag should never be declined. Whether it is best to use disputed or a new resolution overcome by edit or such, I cannot say. (If implemented, this feature should be aware of ninja edits. Even though the minor revisions aren't saved, the system should know the last edit came after the flag)
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 18:42
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    Agreed that valid flags that are then fixed by an edit should be disputed at worst. Yes, the community fixed it, but how could the flagger expect that? Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 18:47
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    @BenVoigt I would agree with this. But the declined is just counting against you and stands for like: "The flag was wrong, because there was nothing to handle", but you flagged it at another time where there was something to handle. So if you get a declined flag it's like: "Don't flag such stuff there was nothing to handle". And I think this is wrong. I think you should tell a user if his flag was good/correct or bad. And I think since a few weeks there is also the thing:"aged away", which would probably be something which could be used for something like this
    – Rizier123
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 18:49
  • "If whatever the post was flagged for (lacking some details, having a swear word within it, etc.) has been corrected by the community, did we even need to be involved to begin with?" - This part "lacking some details". I won't retype all over again, it's in this comment that I left.... Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 18:54
  • meta.stackoverflow.com/a/287211/3933332 Seems like since a month or so there is "aged away", so wouldn't that be the right thing to do for a moderator to say: it aged away. So it neither counts for or against the user?!
    – Rizier123
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 19:01
  • @Fred-ii- - I'm not sure what that has to do with this. The post wasn't edited, and your flag was disputed in review. It is still an attempt at answering a question, so a flag requesting immediate deletion for something like that will most likely be declined or disputed in review. If you feel that is a bad answer, downvote it and move on.
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 19:05
  • @Fred-ii- Just so you know, according to the flag definitions, that post you linked to is not VLQ (someone could salvage it by editing in an explanation) and it is not NAA (it is not another question or request for clarification).
    – apsillers
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 19:06
  • .....approved by people who know absolutely squat (I spared the other s-word) about MySQL/PDO. Rejected by guys who know what they're talking about like showdev and Ed Cottrell. Giving my head another serious shake. Ok, I got the message but being barred for too many rejected flags, gets my goat. Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 19:08
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    @apsillers Not VLQ? Exactly, it's worse than very low quality. It says absolutely nothing but "Try this" with nothing to back it up. Sorry, but if someone hasn't already edited their answer given comments to ask them why they should "Try this", then it should be flagged/deleted. Here I thought Stack wanted to have a strong and quality base of Q&A's. That says a lot about the integrity of members who will only keep posting low quality and uninformative answers. Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 19:15
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    @Fred-ii- If you believe the scope of VLQ should expand to include code-only answers, I would craft a new definition that incorporates that category of answer (while being careful to word it in a way that doesn't wrongly include other categories of posts) and include it in carefully-considered [feature-request] weighing the pros and cons of deleting such answers versus merely letting the community downvote them. (I am 100% serious. If you can argue the site would be better with such posts deleted, then make your case in a new [feature-request]. It seems like a reasonable proposition.)
    – apsillers
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 19:24
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    You're right @apsillers and it is a reasonable proposition. If I may just elaborate a bit more on the "Try this" concept; a "try this", in my view (and many others will agree), should be used in conjunction with an informative answer. For example; an opening about where faults were made, followed by fixed code, and/or where errors are, "then" followed by a "If that doesn't fix it, then try the following... etc. That type of answer I have seen many times and often receive many positive votes. If we don't let the newbies know, then they'll just keep on giving low quality answers. Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 19:32
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    @BradLarson Would that be a possible that moderators click on "aged away", since they don't count for nor against the user for such flags as described in my question ?
    – Rizier123
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 19:42
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    @Rizier123 See this for how flags get marked "aged away". It's strictly a time-based setting, not a manually selected one.
    – Kendra
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 19:49
  • @Kendra Then can't we change it that mods also can trigger it manually? I think this would match perfectly for flags which were valid at the time they were flagged, but now don't need any attention anymore. Because they "aged away" from an action like an edit which the user made. Also it wouldn't count against nor for the user.
    – Rizier123
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 19:59
  • @Rizier123 I could see having a different status for mods to assign, but I don't think "aged away" would work for this purpose. If someone manually sets it, it would feel like a mislabel to call it that because the flag didn't age away, the need for action did.
    – Kendra
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 20:00
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The new moderator flag dashboard shows an [edited] label if the post has been edited after the flag has been cast:

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This isn't exactly what the author of this question proposed, but it does provide a visual indicator that something has changed and makes it more likely that the ♦ moderator will investigate not only the latest version of the post but its entire history.

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