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Dec 25, 2015 at 20:54 comment added Wai Ha Lee It would be good if there was either (a) a way to request a deeper investigation into rejected flags to reassess them based on the revision history (e.g. offensive comments edited out) (b) have history shown on reviews and a "out of date" (i.e. not rejected) reason where action has been taken to fix the post.
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Apr 30, 2015 at 21:46 comment added Rizier123 @Shog9 You can't flag upvoted posts as VLQ I never tried it so I didn't knew that one :) Agree we need to fix the moderator view for flags, in many, many ways Maybe you want to post an answer what you think about my idea for the "new" layout or say what you would want/what you think
Apr 30, 2015 at 21:43 comment added Shog9 Mod You can't flag upvoted posts as VLQ, @Rizier123. Generally you should reserve that flag for stuff that appears completely irredeemable without author intervention.
Apr 30, 2015 at 21:01 comment added Rizier123 @Shog9 if you'd flagged it as Very Low Quality, the edit itself would've marked the flag "helpful" <- Would that mean if someone would flag an answer with like 100 upV as LQ and the user updates it it gets marked as helpful ? Or how do I have to understand that?
Apr 30, 2015 at 20:57 comment added Rizier123 @Shog9 Ironically, if you'd flagged it as Very Low Quality, the edit itself would've marked the flag "helpful"; NAA doesn't work that way though. lol :) Well that's good to know so I will more flag an answer as LQ so if they improve it 1. A mod doesn't need to look at it, since it's automatically marked as helpful 2. And I don't run into the problem that a mod sees the post at a different state as I flagged it.
Apr 30, 2015 at 20:54 comment added Shog9 Mod Agree we need to fix the moderator view for flags, in many, many ways. But the flag you build your case around is a terrible example - expecting moderators or anyone else to approve the flag if it's still active on a post that has been corrected as dramatically as that one is crazy: the problem simply no longer exists. Ironically, if you'd flagged it as Very Low Quality, the edit itself would've marked the flag "helpful"; NAA doesn't work that way though.
Apr 30, 2015 at 19:04 comment added Rizier123 @apsillers meta.stackoverflow.com/a/287211/3933332 Apparently since a month or so there is "aged away". I think if moderators would use this for such flags where an edit or so made the flag "invalid" I would totally be okay with this and I would think this would be the right thing to do here. Because this wouldn't count neither for or against the user. (But declined is just wrong here I think)
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:54 comment added apsillers @Rizier123 According to the documented behavior that's probably because you've raised 9 helpful flags and one declined flag within the last week. If you raise 2 more declined flags and 0 helpful flags then you will be temporarily blocked until your oldest declined flag expires (7 days after you raised it). If you raise any helpful flags, your weekly declined-ratio will drop below 10% and the warning will disappear. If you'd like to make a feature request to consider long-term good standing in calculating flag bans, that seems like a reasonable idea.
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:43 comment added Rizier123 @apsillers To point 1: Since we are on the internet, I kinda expecting everything, I mean everything!, So I wouldn't be surprised if someone would do that (But that's not the point). I mean I got 1 declined flag since a long time from the answer above in my question and I already get a notification: Attention: some of your recent flags have been declined - please review them before flagging this post! <- Just from 1 declined flag! (My next declined flag is a while back!)
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:36 comment added apsillers @Rizier123 If a user posts honest-to-goodness spam or offensive content, and then covers it up with a legitimate question, then (1) that's a pretty high level of dedication for a spammer or troll, and (2) you should raise a custom moderator flag to point out this sophisticated toxic behavior. If by "spam" you just mean a lousy post that later gets polished into a better post: if this happens at least 25% of the time you raise a flag (the threshold for a temporary ban), then I'd say you have exceptionally bad luck.
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:36 answer added Brad LarsonMod timeline score: 16
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:35 comment added Kendra Because there's no need for it. They don't need to see the revisions on every single flag raised. They should be evaluating flags based on how the content currently looks, which they're doing a fine job of. The exceptions are the more severe flags that appear to be raised on a good post. Why should the devs clutter up the flag interface when nine times out of ten the mods probably won't even need the added feature? Why slow the mods down more by adding something else they need to check for each flag? What is the greater benefit here, minus a few more helpful flags?
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:35 comment added Funk Forty Niner Well, I can now confirm that the (my) flag that was rejected, came from people who either give low quality answers themselves, or know squat about the question/functions/related code in question. They just click on "Looks good" without reading the question and what's involved while probably gaining some points for badges; truly pathetic.
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:33 comment added Kevin B Look at the very low quality queue. How much more complex would that view be if you also were presented the last, say, 1 or two revisions, if not all of them?
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:32 comment added Rizier123 @Kendra There we go ^! We already have it, they need to go to the post itself, because they don't see it when they handle the flag, so why not just include it in the view when they handle flags?! Then they might also see some stuff which they wouldn't have seen
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:30 comment added Kendra @Rizier123 If a flag is raised for spam, the answer changes, and the mod looks at it, I would expect the moderator to raise an eyebrow at that and take a look at the revision history. I've seen mods say several times that if they feel there is something that needs looked into behind a flag, they will visit the post and check the revision history to try to figure out why the post was flagged. NAA flags, however, are nowhere near as severe as a spam or offensive flag, so I would not expect a mod to bother checking into a NAA flag.
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:28 comment added Rizier123 @apsillers If you think about it a user could post just spam an such stuff, then change it to a good answer and your flag gets declined. If he makes it enough times, you can't flag anymore, because the declined flags counts against you and you get a temp flag ban! I think this problem is rare enough Well I have to say that happened to me already 3-4 times and this number will increase, when I flag NAA posts and they change it then!
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:26 comment added apsillers @Rizier123 I'm aware that declined flags negatively impact your flags' weight and can earn you a temporary flag ban. However, I think this problem is rare enough that it's not likely to seriously impact your flag weight. (I am ready to entertain the argument that my estimate here is wrong.) I think the negative impact of moderators wasting time deciding whether a post used to be bad (which gets us no benefit in site quality, because the post is already good) outweigh the minor negative impact to a user's flags' weight.
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:25 comment added Kendra @Rizier123 And how will this change that? If when the mod gets to it, there is nothing for them to do and no need for them to handle the post, it is no longer a helpful flag. That's just a fact of life. My point was more, what do you expect mods to do with this new information? I would expect mods to see the revision, if this were implemented, nod a little that it was originally a bad post, and then decline the flag anyway purely because the flag was no longer helpful and there was no need for them to get involved.
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:23 comment added Funk Forty Niner @BradLarson My mistake Brad. Well, it just goes to show then, that the people who approved it, support low-quality questions and probably give low-quality answers also. My apologies to the moderators.
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:23 comment added Rizier123 @apsillers The point is: declined flags counts against you See my comment: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/291974/…
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:21 comment added Rizier123 @Kendra declined flags counts against you. So if you flag an answer as e.g. NAA, but then the user updates it and it's not a NAA anymore the flag counts against you and maybe even end up, that you can't flag anymore because you have too many declined flags
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:20 comment added apsillers @Rizier123 It's not clear to me what moderation benefit would be gained by implementing a view like this. If a flagged post was once bad, but it's good by the time a moderator gets around to it, the moderator should treat it like a good post. Your flag was de facto not helpful (i.e., it turned out not to improve the the site), even if flagging was the right thing to do at the time. Maybe there just needs to be better education that a declined flag is not an insult and just means that your flag ended up not being helpful, either due to a mistake on your part or the passage of time.
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:19 comment added Brad Larson Mod @Fred-ii- - FYI, moderators had nothing to do with the handling of your flag: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/7897176
Apr 30, 2015 at 18:16 comment added Kendra I'm not sure I would want a moderator acting on a now-useful post just because it used to be a sub-par post. Which is essentially what would end up happening here. Otherwise, what would be the point of this? To have the mods say, "Oh, yeah, they're right, this answer was terrible. Now it's not." and give you a helpful flag even though there is no reason for them to act on the flag at this point? How would this help anything, except to boost "helpful" flag counts when an OP takes the time to fix their post? How do you expect this to change mod behavior?
Apr 30, 2015 at 17:53 comment added Funk Forty Niner I'll agree at "an attempt to answer", but if a butcher can't back his craft/trade with a good and edible piece of meat, then he's obviously not in the right field and using poorly sharpened tools to work with. @KevinB ;-)
Apr 30, 2015 at 17:48 comment added Kevin B I think it's just a matter of opinion at this point. I see the answer as an "attempt" to answer the question, with a request for clarification as a part of that attempt. you seem to not even see it as an attempt.
Apr 30, 2015 at 17:47 comment added Deduplicator @KevinB: No, that's not what the VLQ flag is for. But the queue handles both NAA and VLQ flags.
Apr 30, 2015 at 17:39 comment added Kevin B Is that not what the VLQ flag/queue is for?
Apr 30, 2015 at 17:35 comment added Deduplicator @KevinB: Link-only answer belong killed immediately with prejudice, read the famous castle post: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/225370/… And first revision was some comments asking for clarification and a link with the helpful announcement "this link might help".
Apr 30, 2015 at 17:32 comment added Kevin B My point was it's just a bad example. The original answer was just a link only answer, so a NAA flag would have been declined no matter how much information was given in the moderator's list of flags to.. moderate. It's a low quality answer. At revision 1, the link did exist.
Apr 30, 2015 at 17:31 comment added Funk Forty Niner I feel your pain. Here's a comment I left in regards to this answer being low/poor quality I might add, where it doesn't explain anything. Learn they say; how? Try this my ******. *I wonder what goes on in people's heads. Stack wants us to flag low quality posts and mine was disputed. What does this say about their flag options? Sweet "you know what"... - Moderators need to sharpen their kitchen knives, far as I'm concerned.
Apr 30, 2015 at 17:30 comment added Rizier123 @KevinB At revision 1 the guy only asked OP questions and didn't answer the question (link only answers are still answers I don't think so, if the link breaks the answer would be with no value). But now this is not the point of my question here. I'm asking for a new layout how moderators see user flags
Apr 30, 2015 at 17:28 comment added Kevin B link only answers are still answers, so it likely still would have been declined even with no revisions.
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