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When doing Triage review, I came across this item: https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/18832925

As a regular action when I found nothing wrong, I went to the actual post to check for potentially missed points. It says "This is spam and is therefore hidden". So easy peasy, I passed the audit.

Then I went through everything, including the revision history, but I couldn't understand why it's spam. I checked the words and the only image. Nothing suspicious. The only thing I agree with is that the question is VLQ and thus should be closed.

So please kindly tell a super confused iBug: How on earth is it spam or rude???


For less than 10k, here's the post:

Cannot access website to login on Alibaba Cloud ECS

I have setup Plesk to ECS but when login IP:8443 is not access? 


IP is ok 
![enter image description here][1]


  [1]: https://i.sstatic.net/dAgLt.png
I installed everything as on another VPS ... And it does not run as I would like.
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  • It doesn't seem to show up on metasmoke either.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 14:51
  • @Cerbrus Yes. I searched MS and no result for that.
    – iBug
    Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 14:51
  • related: How is this a bad answer? "check you missed... is for illegitimate self-promotion. To check this you'd need to go to poster's profile and verify that links referred in the post aren't affiliated and that other posts from this account do not advertise these links in a suspicious manner..."
    – gnat
    Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 15:43
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    @gnat How do I check for a deleted user?? Of course I've learned from that post. A fall into the pit, a gain in my wit.
    – iBug
    Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 15:44
  • @iBug right, a reviewer paying attention (if they intend to pick OK / editing) is expected to notice that user is deleted and do deeper check and drill deeper - which would reveal the audit and pass it
    – gnat
    Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 15:48
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    @Cerbrus looks like metasmoke needs to be informed about Alibaba :)
    – user1228
    Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 16:56
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    I received a very similar audit just now. Had I not read this meta post, I wouldn't have known that these are in fact unsalvageable; it looked like a very good post to me.
    – gparyani
    Commented Feb 17, 2018 at 13:07
  • For the record, the question you saw was plagiarized and translated from here. (Note: Source language is Simplified Chinese)
    – iBug
    Commented Feb 17, 2018 at 14:59
  • @gnat Forgot to mention: Alibaba is a well-known Chinese company, and there's no "self-promotion" to check in these posts. Links to random websites? UGC sites (like GitHub or Blogspot)? No. All no. So "promotion" is an invalid check against these questions as they are only spam seeds.
    – iBug
    Commented Feb 17, 2018 at 17:55
  • Related meta.stackexchange.com/questions/238647/…
    – Braiam
    Commented Feb 18, 2018 at 15:26
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    @Will Glad to inform you that Smokey caught its first Alibaba post.
    – iBug
    Commented Feb 18, 2018 at 16:42

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It's a spam seed.

There have been a number of accounts asking questions like this and then other accounts answering them with spam for Alibaba.

There's been no indication of affiliation with the product included in the answers and every indication that the same small number of people are running multiple accounts to ask and answer these questions.

We have reached the stage where we destroy the accounts asking these question on sight.

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    That's beyond a normal reviewer's knowledge or access...
    – iBug
    Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 14:55
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    @iBug And yet you were able to identify it just fine...so clearly it's not beyond a normal reviewers ability to review.
    – Servy
    Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 14:56
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    @iBug That is true, but the earlier questions & answers were obviously spam (like the LongPath spam for those with longer memories) and were flagged as such. Once we became aware of the spam we could deal with it preemptively.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 14:57
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    @Servy I randomly go to the real post even when I found nothing wrong, just for audit check.
    – iBug
    Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 14:58
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    @iBug I also feel obligated to point out that even if you didn't realize it was spam, it's still a bad question, so it's not like you'd fail the audit if you failed to figure out that it was spam on your own.
    – Servy
    Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 14:59
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    @Servy Yes. I said it in the question: I agree is VLQ and if I didn't identify it's spam, I would have CVed it and still passing the audit.
    – iBug
    Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 15:00
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    Asking a real question is too much work for a spammer. They just copy-paste a question from a crappy forum site. Plagiarism is another thing to look for. Original is here. Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 15:15
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    @Servy: "And yet you were able to identify it just fine...so clearly it's not beyond a normal reviewers ability to review" No. They were able to identify the current status of the post. That is very, very different from actually identifying it as spam. This meta question is proof that said identification certainly didn't happen. The audit is bad. Commented Feb 16, 2018 at 22:36
  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit They specifically said that as soon as they read the post, "I felt somewhat uneasy" and were suspicious of it being problematic. They then chose to investigate further, and found that it was deleted as being spam. And, as I've already mentioned before, even if they didn't realize it was spam, the post is still an awful post most certainly not something that should be passed as a good post, so the only way to fail that audit is to deservedly take the wrong action. It's a fine audit. Only a bad reviewer would fail it, which is the mark of a good audit.
    – Servy
    Commented Feb 16, 2018 at 22:40
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    @Servy: "Found that it was deleted as being spam" != "Found that it was spam" which is the point here. They investigated further and couldn't determine that. The audit is bad. Commented Feb 16, 2018 at 23:18
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    Having to do that much research to pass the review audit is very hard work. Did anyone ever wonder why the review queues aren't all that popular? Commented Feb 17, 2018 at 10:56
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    Agreeing with @LightnessRacesinOrbit, while it's obligated for a reviewer to figure out that some of them are of low quality, it's really hard to identify they're spam. This comment from someone else is a good example.
    – iBug
    Commented Feb 17, 2018 at 13:30
  • @Servy Check out this comment from another reviewer for a good example.
    – iBug
    Commented Feb 17, 2018 at 13:33
  • Since it's a higher-level forces playing here, I would consider special status like: "banished from the realm by a site-local god" instead of just 'deleted' and filtering them out from audits. Or some less fantasy term. I can't think of one right now. Commented Feb 18, 2018 at 10:40
  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit But they didn't need to determine that it was spam. They needed to determine that it wasn't okay. That they were also able to determine that the post was deleted as being spam in addition doesn't automatically make it a bad audit. If this wasn't spam, and wasn't deleted as spam the post still isn't okay, and the reader knew that, and so would have correctly indicated as much. That makes it a perfectly fine audit. That it also helps people realize that posts like this are spam, and not just bad posts, makes it all the better as an audit.
    – Servy
    Commented Feb 19, 2018 at 14:23

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