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I know a user whose latest question is from mid 2012 and latest answer is from late 2012.

In the last several years this user collected over 20k points. While this is great for him, I think it's unfair for new, active, users.

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This situation resembles, a lot, property management in real life, where early investors accumulate wealth by having investments in the good neighbourhoods, close to CBD. Yes, there are new neighbourhoods and opportunities, but the benefits to reap are not as big.

Answers to early C# and/or Git questions are examples of golden geese.

I don't see this as good for the Stack Overflow community as it biased towards early adopters of the site.

A cap of amount of upvotes on a question/answer (or points one gets from it) would be good (or should be lowered if it already exists). Another option could be adding different number of points as the question/answer ages (or gets more popular).


Response to selected comments:

Communism

Progressive taxing is common across the world and generally considered fair.

As for caps, there already is a cap of 200 reputation per day, so I'm not inventing anything really new here.

Jealousy

No jealousy here. I neither have the skills nor time to be at the top.

jezreal and coldspeed

jezreal and especially coldspeed are excellent examples. Thank you for that.

These users illustrate my point very well. These users work hard and they're great for the community, but they have to fight harder than people who were here when git commit -a type questions were being asked.

You can get high rep

"There is 0 evidence that new users can't gain reputation."

I don't argue that you cannot get into 100k points. This is not the point I'm making, and I'm sorry if it isn't clear.

My point is that it is progressively harder to as Stack Exchange is getting older.

Do you really attach such a high value to a steadily incrementing number?

Yes and no. It's not really about attaching value. It think it makes it for better community if the return on investment was limited or diminishing over time (or popularity).


Thanks for your comments!

I suspect this will have to be reassessed at some point in the future. It may just be a bit too early now ;) No worries.

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    Yay communism!!!
    – Alon Eitan
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 7:18
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    Related: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/136059
    – Jon Skeet
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 7:23
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    What problem does this cause? Why is it problematic that those users have high rep?
    – Mat
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 7:24
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    Just another way us oldies have shafted the next generation. That's neoliberalism for you. Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 7:24
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    @Mat The only problem this cause is the OP being frustrated by the fact they don't have high rep like other users. It's called jealousy (I think...)
    – Alon Eitan
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 7:33
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    Votes are not a finite resource. Someone else getting some votes over time does not mean other people don't get those votes; the vast majority of our users never hit their voting limits.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 7:34
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    There is 0 evidence that new users can't gain reputation. jezrael became really active in January of last year: stackexchange.com/users/3465245/jezrael?tab=reputation and is doing just fine.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 7:37
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    Another example, cᴏʟᴅsᴘᴇᴇᴅ kicked into high gear in June this year.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 7:40
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    If users only could resist the urge to find these old posts useful ...
    – rene
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 7:41
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    The property owner simile doesn't really hold water - with property, you have income that is not directly related to what you work with your own hands. Rep from answers is always in return for your own work, however long ago.
    – Pekka
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 8:10
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    But either way, there's a lot of people who agree with you to some degree. There have been many many suggestions on how to fix this over the years. Jon Skeet himself once proposed a per-question cap which would directly address the issue you're talking about! But read Kevin's answer in that question to see what that would do to the "poor."
    – Pekka
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 8:11
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    Hmm, this is all relative. A billionaire isn't going to get very excited when he trips over a suitcase filled with a million dollars. If you find a user with high rep then you'll likely find somebody that got bored with the grind and the gawdawful Interesting page. Keeping it relative is already strongly encouraged by SO, the user pages rank by week, quarter and year. Use those to compare yourself. Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 9:27
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    There will be other opportunities for gold rushes besides Git. Actually, there are smaller ones in my home tags every year after Apple's WWDC, and I imagine the same is true for other platforms.
    – jscs
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 13:29
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    What is CBD? Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 17:19
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    You can't really prove that a post posted today can't get to the same popularity/usefulness that some of those older posts have. It's certainly possible for that to occur, just not with the topics that it has already occurred for. These users getting rep for something they did in the past doesn't hinder you or anyone else from gaining the same amount of daily rep if not more. I don't see the problem. This isn't a common occurance and i don't think we need some rule or tool in place to deal with 56,657 cases out of 14 million (questions with 50 or more, or 149 if you look at 2k or more)
    – Kevin B
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 20:38

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You already have a cap of a maximum of 200 reputation per day (excluding earned bounties).

Reputation is a vague form to measure how much a person is contributing positive to the community. Of course it is not perfect (High/Low-Traffic tags), but it is the best what we have.

I don't think it is unfair, that an early bird is earning much reputation, since this person must be helped many people to earn it. Reputation is only given, if a person mark a post helpful through upvote or a gives a bounty.

The best thing you can do, is contribute positive where you can.

See: How to get initial reputation on Stack Overflow with the new-user restrictions in place?

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I must ask ... what are you missing by the sheer fact that other people have more reputation then you do?

What, specifically, are they denying to you by having that reputation? Rep points aren't a zero sum game on Stack Overflow. Every time a post is upvoted or accepted, or every time someone gets an edit approved, new reputation is created for that user.

The fact that Jon Skeet has >900k reputation doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on your next 10 or 15.

You could argue that people have a vote limit and thus reputation isn't infinite after all, but that'd be silly. Few people actually use their votes to the limit every day, and the cap resets daily anyways.

This isn't real life economics, we're not competing for limited resources.

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  • 1. "We're not competing for limited resources." - I'm arguing the opposite.
    – tmaj
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 7:38
  • 2. JonSkeet is not my example. Please refer to the example I have given.
    – tmaj
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 7:38
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    @mayu I don't see you arguing for anything, just proposing various caps. New highly popular answers still get posted all the time. There are new users earning tons of reputation
    – Magisch
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 7:39
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    @magisch true and those people really have to work for it, while this person amassed their "fortune" while not even being active on the site. I can sort of relate how this may seem unfair, but at the same time you're still free to do exactly the same yourself today - post a popular question/answer and then go away for a few years while your content keeps on collecting upvotes. Perfectly fair.
    – Gimby
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 8:00
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    I wouldn't even argue this as a problem. If your answer is so good it attracs many upvotes even a year or so after its posting, it's arguably deserved anyways.
    – Magisch
    Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 8:41
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    @mayu What is the limited resource we're competing for, then? Commented Aug 10, 2017 at 19:51

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