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Not quite dang. Not quite unless you see them at play in their native habitats which few will ever travel far enough to do.

Sometimes, you really should pay attention to the folks moving around behind the curtains. We'd like to take a moment to introduce you to a very special product team at Stack Overflow, the one that helps us continue to ensure that all users find and have a great experience along with taking on the responsibility of being that special kind of PM that our Q&A product really needed.

But if that wasn't exciting, we suppose we can offer a condensed version:

tl;dr;

TeamDAG stands for Developer Affinity & Growth. Their primary purpose is to help folks quickly find value in becoming long-term contributors to all parts of Stack Overflow, including Q&A. They're also in charge of making sure Q&A doesn't ever break, and continues to get what it needs over time as a mature product.

We'll touch on some stuff that this team is currently doing aside from their constant testing of all of the things at the end of this post.

What, specifically is this team doing every day?

Have we talked about how big Stack Overflow has gotten lately? It's worth mentioning sometimes that at our scale, some things can be incredibly difficult to measure. Of the five big questions that begin with "W", why becomes pretty interesting to us when we try to figure out why people do, or more specifically don't do, certain things.

Why don't more folks that keep hitting the site from search engines eventually sign up and take on small units of work to help? Why is anonymous feedback so confusing to interpret? What parts of the system make perfect sense to us because we're so used to them, but throw new folks for a total loop?

Team DAG helps us figure this stuff out and optimize it so that the site gets out of its own way of making sure that there are plenty of new folks to fill the holes that veteran users leave when they really slow down in participation. That's super important, and there's work to be done all over the place.

What are they doing for Q&A?

Quite a few of this team's efforts touch Q&A since it is our largest and most mature product, which also makes it chocked full of interesting why-riddles to solve. As DAG touches Q&A quite a bit, it immediately becomes their responsibility to avoid breaking it at all costs.

It's also the DAG team's job to make sure that Q&A gets what it needs, approximately when it needs it, and as it stands against all of the goals that the team is trying to meet.

They also ensure that community requests get scheduled, discussed and many times ultimately or at least if we love an idea but just can't act on it right now.

In short, they're going to help to put the responsiveness back into the mix of the meta and mayhem that can be a big part of actively participating in features and bugs.

Do you have an example of what Q&A "needs"?

I certainly do. The ask question page has not been touched in years and is in desperate need of an overhaul, and we've already gotten underway with some tests and user surveys from folks that asked questions faring both well and poorly.

There will be another post coming out at some point early next week about that project, what we've learned so far, what we're contemplating and we really hope to get more feedback before we go knee deep in a concept.

The idea: If we do a better job communicating what we want in a question to new users through a better user experience with some extra help initially, they'll have a better experience by asking better questions.

Great, but how does knowing all of this help me?

If you see someone mention that they're from the DAG team, you know you'll have a better idea of what their function is within the company, and know that they're here to help especially where user-facing features and testing are concerned.

This should help at least some of you realize more opportunities to jump into discussions, reply to a comment, file an additional bug based on a suggestion, etc.

We're working on being more open and transparent about the moving parts we have working on things, what they're working on, and generally why that's their focus.

Any questions for the team, comments or thoughts in general?

Comment or (preferably) answer below! We're really excited about this team coming together to finally put some serious effort into unraveling some tangled messes that took years to perfect, and finally having a team and PM now officially in charge of Q&A as a product.

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    I have one question... who is on Team DAG? Or was "meeting" them just a turn of phrase? But I'm super super excited that Q&A as a product has a dedicated team now!
    – TylerH
    Commented Jul 5, 2017 at 20:05
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    @TylerH At this point yes, that's correct. But don't worry, you'll see the DAGwood from the trees soon enough :P
    – user50049
    Commented Jul 5, 2017 at 20:23
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    I'm on the team, @TylerH
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Jul 5, 2017 at 20:37
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    Long live team directed acyclic graph Commented Jul 5, 2017 at 21:30
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    I'm the new product manager for Team DAG. Excited to be on the team and work with the community on improvements to Q&A.
    – Joe Friend StaffMod
    Commented Jul 5, 2017 at 21:31
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    Also on the team here @TylerH
    – Jon Chan StaffMod
    Commented Jul 5, 2017 at 22:05
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    No Antipodeans on the team to vet the acronym? Hope you are going for the second noun definition and not the first ; )
    – Dhaust
    Commented Jul 5, 2017 at 22:50
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    @Victoria Yes, it takes a team to manage the tests, iterations, gathering feedback, discussions, brainstorming, all of it is work made much lighter with more hands .. just not too many hands.
    – user50049
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 2:31
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    Sorry to be rude, but I simply don't believe you this time. You can make a big deal about yourselves once you've actually done something. Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 3:00
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    Well, this is a good sign, I suppose. Stack Overflow has finally decided to do something about not passing the Joel Test. It is off to a fairly inauspicious start (the "improve the Ask page" has been sitting silent for over a year now), but any news is good news, I guess. You've really been trying the patience of your veteran users. Why don't you just call them "Team Q&A"?
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 10:34
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    "Why don't more folks that keep hitting the site from search engines eventually sign up and take on small units of work to help?" Why should they? Just doing the work for others? Where is the benefit for the folks? Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 13:12
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    "vision" is a strange way of saying "when you fail at your core mission because you're too busy trying to do a hundred other things" @andras
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 13:17
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    I'm on Team DAG, and I voted for the name. :P
    – Jeremy Banks StaffMod
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 15:40
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    "Why don't more folks that keep hitting the site from search engines eventually sign up and take on small units of work to help? Why is anonymous feedback so confusing to interpret? What parts of the system make perfect sense to us because we're so used to them, but throw new folks for a total loop?" And most importantly "why don't we the SE team work on ANYTHING that would actually help the folks that do most of the janitorial work?" Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 22:39
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    In response to: "The ask question page has not been touched in years" - The (yellow) box with the text/links under the "How to Ask" when they ask a question IMHO, needs to contain a few (more) bullets. Ones such as the regularly asked and proverbial "What have you tried?", and "Have you researched this long enough?" and "Have you gone through the checklist before posting?" as a few examples. That box doesn't contain clear and enough information to have the person think first before posting. Commented Oct 15, 2017 at 12:39

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As when "Project {Re,De}duplication", billed largely as better duplicate detection, turned out to be "The thing that Stack Exchange was most interested in was how to recognise when two posts are falsely labeled as duplicates", this, read closely, seems to be yet more focus on acquiring new users at the expense of veteran contributors.

...ensure that all users find...
Their primary purpose [emphasis mine] is to help folks quickly find value in becoming long-term contributors...

I already know where it is. I am one of those long-term contributors. I've been participating, on a daily basis, in ways that make other people want to find your site, for the past six years. What is Team DAG doing to ensure that I continue to find value in being here? Is that even on the list? There's no real hint of it here, and elsewhere it is just glossed over.

What parts of the system make perfect sense to us [...] but throw new folks for a total loop?

How about "what parts of the system don't make sense at all, and trip up even experienced users"? Or "...and trip up the people taking on those 'small units of work' and the folks watching them"? How about "what part of the system could use a little tweak to support and reward key contributors"?

...making sure that there's plenty of new folks to fill the holes that veteran users leave when they really slow down in participation...

Another option here would have been "making sure that there's plenty of stuff to keep the interest of veteran users so that they don't slow down in participation". This is actually kind of insulting the more I think on it. Granted, some fall-off is natural and inevitable, but you could at least mention that you want your top contributors to stick around, instead of talking about them like fungible assets.

...do a better job communicating what we want in a question to new users [...] they'll have a better experience...

It would have been so easy for you to just tack on something here about "...and improve overall question quality...". But you didn't. And taken with all the rest, I think that omission is revealing.

I speak only for myself, but I doubt I'm alone: I'm tired of hearing about what you're doing for new users. Doubly so when you present it as if it's big exciting news for veteran users.

I will believe that this is going to have positive effects on the site when I see it.*

Until then, I guess my interest here will continue to slowly wane as I find fewer and fewer questions worth reading, upvoting, and/or providing answers for. So, yup, better prepare to fill that hole with the next body.

Why don't more folks [...] eventually sign up...

"Why do folks keep signing in?" "Why do highly-contributing folks stop signing in?"
Ugh, why am I even still here talking?


*And I strongly suspect that my measurement of "positive effects on the site" differs from yours.

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    "Ugh, why am I even still here?" Ultimately only you should know that. Probably the advantages still outweigh the disadvantages and/or there is no better alternative existing yet or you have too much time or you are a very nice person. Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 13:15
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    @Trilarion sunk cost is a difficult thing.
    – canon
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    That was more about "why I am still here on Meta, spitting into the wind", @Trilarion. I'm not sure that this directly affects my participation on Main. Just indirectly, to the extent that it means unaddressed UX pain points and a dearth of fun questions to answer.
    – jscs
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 17:35
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    Well, even if Josh doesn't, I do sometimes ask myself why I'm still here on main answering questions, given all of the problems. The answer is quite simple: because, despite their persistent failings to improve anything on the Q&A side, Stack Overflow is still the best that's out there. But resting on your laurels is not a sustainable business strategy, and since I actually care about SO (given all that I've invested here), I'd like to see it succeed by getting better, not simply stagnate. I also want to (continue to) be proud of what I've contributed here & what we stand for.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jul 7, 2017 at 8:28
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    "Is there even anything else featured right now?" Blog post. Right now only 3 hot meta posts slots available.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 7, 2017 at 15:26
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What is the scope of the initial wave of Meta-interaction? We have requests going back years; where would you be starting as a baseline, and how would that translate to us seeing action taken on these things?

For context: an earlier uber-Meta answer I had made about the feedback loop needing improved.

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    The snarky grump in me wants to answer "current status: 'Smile and wave, boys, smile and wave'". But I'm trying to be a nice person instead ;) It would be awesome if actual community feedback became a priority! So let's hope for the best. Commented Jul 5, 2017 at 23:01
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    This doesn't just fall on the new team, this is something the community team needs to get on too. Fortunately, that part of the CR process (digging these things up and at least putting declined or review/deferred on them) is something we can (and should) be doing. What gets picked up, ultimately though is going to be mostly up to the people writing the code, which is DAG. But we can and will do a better job here, and this is why it's exciting to finally have a PM that keeps sole track of it.
    – user50049
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 2:12
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    @TimPost Here's a place for the PM to start: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/285889/… There are 80 answers each containing important feature requests - these FRs should be prioritized and then the priority list should be announced so that people know what to expect. Commented Jul 10, 2017 at 13:33
  • this could be a starting point :-) meta.stackoverflow.com/a/343403/57475
    – Tanner
    Commented Aug 1, 2017 at 15:47
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Why don't more folks that keep hitting the site from search engines eventually sign up and take on small units of work to help? Why is anonymous feedback so confusing to interpret? What parts of the system make perfect sense to us because we're so used to them, but throw new folks for a total loop?

This sounds quite self-aware, and hopefully a new ethos for a new initiative. But I feel historically, StackOverflow has rejected nearly any attempt to try features that might have an indirect consequence of a throttle or filter on growth... instead preferring to find ways to build more and more tools that ask volunteers to bear the burden of their expansionism.

And expansionism it has been. Whether it's "Why Don't muggle-born wizards use muggle technology to fight death eaters" or the seemingly admittedly failed Documentation thing that I pretty much knew was a bad idea when it was proposed.

It would be nice if team DAG paid attention to upvoted feature requests and at least tried them. If there's enough time for large hat collecting projects, there should be time for this:

Pre-flight screening checklist for first/early posts--adaptively pick three items, tune with metrics

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Not an answer, but a plea.

Please Please change the name. This is an Australian word that is used frequently.

a lock of wool matted with dung hanging from the hindquarters of a sheep.

more commonly:

In Australia, it is often used as an affectionate insult for someone who is, or is perceived to be, unfashionable, lacking self-consciousness about their appearance and/or with poor social skills yet affable and amusing. It is also used to describe an amusing, quirky and likeable person (as in, "He's a bit of a dag") and is non-pejorative.

Paul Hogan in his younger days.

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I'm actually thinking a Team of Dags would be appropriate for such a nerdy culture

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No I can't take it! Change it please!?!?

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    All I could think of was an 8-Bit Theater strip: nuklearpower.com/2003/02/01/episode-244-technical-jargon Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 3:30
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    +1 See my comment above.
    – Dhaust
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 4:37
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    I think the acronym is just a playful jest.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 4:41
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    Aww please don't change the name, it reminds of of episodes of Neighbours in the 90s!
    – DavidG
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 8:14
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    @DavidG please, I AM Neighbours in the 70s! lol My sister calls me a dag practically every time we speak. Also idiot is quite popular idiot==dag
    – user3956566
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 8:16
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    I'd rather be a dag than a bogan :) (That's the Building Online Groups And Networks team of course)
    – DavidG
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 8:17
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    @DavidG aw we often embrace our inner bogan LOLOL In fact I started swearing so much from doing such, that I needed to quite swearing for 2017. Being an Aussie is a dangerous calamity of contradictions!
    – user3956566
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 8:19
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    If Linus got away with using 'Git', I reckon SO can get away with DAG! Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 10:44
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    Haha! What came to my mind was this scene from Snatch: youtu.be/dQSnua3M2lo?t=46s
    – Pekka
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 12:06
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    Quick, quick, come up with a new title that abbreviates to DINGLEBERRY. Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 12:35
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    I would have expected some of the "USA is not the center of the world, why do you bother us with USA politics" folks to be like "Australia is not the center of the world, why [...]". Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 17:01
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    This reminds of Scott and Charlene. Ahhh simpler times...
    – Liam
    Commented Jul 7, 2017 at 14:58
  • @Liam ah yes, good times, good times
    – user3956566
    Commented Jul 8, 2017 at 1:31
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    Just as mods have a Diamond, could DAGs have an upside down Club as it looks like a small bunch of grapes? Commented Aug 11, 2017 at 5:35

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