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I've just noticed the following unusual voting behavior on an old answer of mine:

unupvote + downvote

So apparently someone was unhappy with his upvote and reversed it. But - there was no upvote on this answer for a very long time and you lose the ability for vote reversal after a couple of minutes.

So it's not much of a surprise, in parallel the user did this:

useless edit

No comment, no explanation, just the undue reversal of an age-old upvote.

In other words, user Brian Webster used his capabilities of doing unchecked edits to allow himself to abuse the voting system.

Is this acceptable behavior?

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    Certainly unsavory, but I'm not sure if that consitutes abuse. I'd love to hear from a mod on this, though. It may be worth not directly mentioning and shaming the user, though. We really don't need a meta witchhunt on that to determine whether or not the behavior is bad.
    – Magisch
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:14
  • Well, anyone who clicks on the edit can see how it went down, so the whole thing is public either way. (And yes, using extended capabilities to scratch an itch you just had constitutes abuse. What else would you call that?`)
    – Tomalak
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:16
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    It's really not worth getting het up over one vote, especially as you don't know it was Brian. Anyone else who previously voted could have taken advantage of the question being edited to change their vote. Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:16
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    Robert - no. You can't reverse old votes. Try it. The timing is just too close and the edit is just too meaningless.
    – Tomalak
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:18
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    The consensus so far has always been that this is indeed acceptable behaviour.
    – Pekka
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:24
  • I upvoted that answer, if it's any consolation, but I hardly consider one specific case as abuse of the voting system
    – Alon Eitan
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:24
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    @Alon Thanks, but I can candle -12 rep at this point. :)
    – Tomalak
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:27
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    12 rep is 0,00541% of your rep, you're gonna be fine :3
    – Magisch
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:28
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    Posting on meta is also an "extended capability", one that you're using to call or another user. Please stop the abuse! What else would you call that? Seriously though, you have more than enough rep to absorb a 12 point loss, and can revert the edit. Move on.
    – davidism
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:30
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    @Pekka That makes no sense. In a situation where you have been given extended powers by a community you can't start to use them for personal gain (i.e. "I don't care, I want to do this now!"). This is definitely not acceptable behavior in my book. Think police officers. They can't simply go around and shoot people just because they have a fire... oh, never mind.
    – Tomalak
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:30
  • @davidism Nonsense. See second comment above: "Well, anyone who clicks on the edit can see how it went down, so the whole thing is public either way." I'm not "calling on" anybody. I ask whether we should tolerate that mods use permissions they have been entrusted with for their personal whims.
    – Tomalak
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:32
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    Nobody complains when a user edits to be able to switch their downvote to an upvote... I can see how it's more annoying when it's the other way around, but that doesn't make it any less acceptable as far as how the site works goes. (Mind you, I personally always feel like "just make a trivial edit" guidance is kinda lame... but the alternative of "flip flop between votes as often as you want" seems worse.)
    – Adam Lear StaffMod
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:36
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    Perhaps the upvote was accidental - I know it's rather easy to do that, on a mobile, e.g - and they hadn't even looked at your post originally. Now that they've come across your answer again, fully digested it, and figured that it deserves a downvote, should they not be able to do that because of an accident a while ago? I'd say this isn't really a problem, if it's a one-off.
    – Mike M.
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:57
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    Do focus a bit on the real problem, the vote lock-in feature is a very silly one. Pretty bizarre that you can't change a vote when a practice becomes outdated or a superior solution is found. I wasn't quite around for it but this decision dates back to the early years, back when there were lots of gun-slingers around and "strategic voting" got lots of users upset. Not a problem at all today. Maybe because vote lock-in worked so well, who knows. Consider proposing for the feature to be removed. Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 9:43
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    @HansPassant Hm. I'm quite content with the vote lock feature. Strategic voting is no longer a problem because of it, not because people would not do it anymore.
    – Tomalak
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 10:32

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I'm not entirely sure if this is worth kicking up a fuss over.

It's certainly not very nice, and probably a little petty to do, but is it really worth complaining over?

You lost 12 rep over this, that's around 0,005% of your rep. Your answer is still highly voted, and no greater harm has been done. Generally, users are free to vote as they please. What if the guy had downvoted from the start instead of upvoted?

What if it wasn't even him that changed the vote? It could have been one of the other 50+ voters taking advantage of the edit.

I really don't think this is worth the meta attention, and it's a little unfair to assume it was this user who voted when you can't even verify that. And verifying that would probably be a huge O waste of time for the people who can (CMs).

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    Again, I am not complaining about the rep loss. (Why do you think that? I don't even mention it, like, at all.)
    – Tomalak
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:33
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    @Tomalak The rep loss is the only tangible effect on this. The standing of the answer changes in no noticeable way. You can revert the edit. Why do you care enough to make a meta post. Not worth it, imo (thats the main part of my answer)
    – Magisch
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:38
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    Imagine if reverting edits also reverted all votes that were cast after that edit was made...
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 7:54
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    @Magisch Well, I can only tell you that I could not care less about -12 reputation and I wrote pretty clearly about the point that bugs me about this transaction. I wouldn't even have blinked if it was about a fresh vote, i.e. within the limits of the system. The consensus seems to be that nothing can be done about it and therefore it's okay. I think that's not the way how one arrives at the conclusion that something is okay. ;)
    – Tomalak
    Commented Aug 17, 2016 at 8:08

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