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The tag synonyms created as per What will become of [asp.net-5] and [entity-framework-7] tags? are incorrect. Instead of creating synonyms, a tag rename needs to be done.

The and tags need to remain as they were, available for new questions. What needs to happen instead is that all questions that were tagged as need to have that tag removed and have a new tag added (note: there needs to be a -1 suffix to indicate the version, much like existing ASP.NET questions are generally versioned, unless they are version agnostic).

There could conceivably be a new product called ASP.NET 5 and Entity Framework 7, which would be the natural successors to ASP.NET 4 and Entity Framework 6. With the current synonyms this becomes impossible because questions would be erroneously re-tagged due to the synonyms.

The correct mappings are:

Note: I'm the engineering manager at Microsoft for ASP.NET and Entity Framework.

Note 2: It's worth noting that this would prevent the exact problem that was pointed out to me just over a year ago in https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/276926/make-asp-net-vnext-a-synonym-for-asp-net-5 (deleted by me) where I asked to rename to and was rejected for exactly the reasons I mention here. The two tags are not synonyms, it's a rename.

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    I tried to bloody tell them, but they wouldn't listen. Also, you guys rename stuff way too damn often. This one was reasonable, but most of the time stahp.
    – user1228
    Commented Jan 22, 2016 at 20:32
  • @Will yup I already upvoted your various answers and comments :( Unfortunately I didn't see the two previous threads about this until a colleague mentioned it to me a few hours ago.
    – Eilon
    Commented Jan 22, 2016 at 21:13
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    The tags were renamed, and synonyms were added for the transitioning phase in which people will consider ASP.NET 5 a synonym for ASP.NET Core. Otherwise we would just continue seeing new ASP.NET 5 tags now. And I disagree with this overzealous versioning of those tags. Most things on Stack Overflow work fine without explicit versions, and unless I see it, I highly doubt that the major versions will introduce that big breaking changes that tagging them without a version would be any problem. And even with versions, we would still have version-less tags.
    – poke
    Commented Jan 22, 2016 at 22:12
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  • @poke on versioning and version-specific tags I can certainly agree with that. Regarding the synonyms, when would the synonym entry be deleted?
    – Eilon
    Commented Jan 22, 2016 at 22:37
  • @Eilon Tag synonyms can be requested to be removed at any point, so I would say let’s remove them, when they are no longer needed, that is when the new names can stand on their own feet (maybe around RTM or later).
    – poke
    Commented Jan 22, 2016 at 22:54
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    @Elion "There could conceivably be a new product called ASP.NET 5 and Entity Framework 7", I have to say if you guys end up doing that, you will do a great job at confusing the crap out of people :P Commented Jan 23, 2016 at 1:50
  • @NickDeBeer the goal is never to confuse, but sometimes we confuse even ourselves :)
    – Eilon
    Commented Jan 23, 2016 at 22:52
  • On the same vein: should we start removing "asp-net" from "asp-net-core" questions? ASP.NET is not the same as ASP.NET Core... Commented Jan 24, 2016 at 19:31
  • there is also asp.net5 ...
    – rene
    Commented Jun 20, 2019 at 14:00
  • @poke would you mind converting your comment into an proper answer, if you still feel the same? Or let me know if you changed your mind and if so, to what.
    – rene
    Commented Jun 20, 2019 at 16:05
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    @rene Done and expanded it a bit as well since we now have the full picture on this :) As for the asp.net5 tag, we should probably just get a moderator remove that.
    – poke
    Commented Jun 21, 2019 at 11:51

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As I explained before in the comments, the tags actually were renamed and synonyms were only added for the transition phase so that people that still remember the old names are directed towards the new names. That way, we avoided getting questions e.g. for ASP.NET 5 when the people were actually referring to ASP.NET Core.

As for the versioning of the tags, I am strongly against putting a version on every tag. Yes, there are situations where there are differences between specific framework versions that matter in a question. But the majority of questions can be answered without depending on a specific version. Not using a version also has the benefit of not putting us in a situation where we answered a question for an earlier version but don’t have an answer for the current version even though the original answer still applies.

The general consensus on this is also that we should always use a version-less tag and only add a version-specific tag if there are really version-specific things within the question.

Considering this question is over three years old, we now have the chance to look back at how well this worked out:

Looking forward, we fortunately know a bit about the roadmap for ASP.NET Core and .NET Core: .NET Core will unite with everything else as .NET 5 soon. At that point, we will probably have to think about on how we proceed since .NET 5 will be more similar to .NET Core than to .NET 4.x (which is the .NET Framework).

As for ASP.NET Core and Entity Framework Core, we don’t know whether they will really consider renaming the projects again. I really hope that they won’t bother to remove the “Core” part there too since that would just mean a lot more confusion than we had in the past. After all, EF 6 is also still a thing so EF Core 3 would have to jump quite a few versions to make the version number alone helpful in figuring this out (like they do with .NET Core there, skipping .NET Core 4).

But only time will tell; we unfortunately had quite a lot renames during the development of ASP.NET Core and related technologies, so I also wouldn’t be surprised if they came up with something new.

As for now, I don’t think we need to change anything about the status quo on the mentioned tags. I am personally quite involved with them and in my opinion it is working very well at the moment.

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  • I'm calling it: it's going to be called .NET Unity.
    – Gimby
    Commented Jun 21, 2019 at 12:31
  • Now that .NET 5 is feature complete and we’re a few months away from it’s release, I imagine it’s a good time to start thinking about the questions you anticipated in this comment. I’ve started a discussion thread, if you have a chance to weigh in. Commented Sep 4, 2020 at 7:39

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