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I recently came across this question and found it littered with bad answers. I thusly downvoted and flagged three of them as VLQ. Reviewing my flags today, I found out that one was marked helpful while the other two were declined, and I'm now flagging-banned (which is curious, as my last declined flag was more than 2 months ago).

The question asks for a way of removing the last file extension from a filename in bash. Here are the full two answers that are apparently not very low quality for such a question:

using grep, and regular expression

For starters, this answer has an earlier revision in which it was a clarification request (and thus NAA), as the first question revision didn't specify the language. Once OP specified the language, the "answer" was edited it into its current state, which is complete BS for anybody who knows a bit of bash. I'm not even aware of any way to manipulate text with grep, and even if it were possible, using grep to strip a file extension would amount to attempt sewing with a fork instead of a needle. The answerer also completely ignored OPs timely request for clarification. I figure the poster was out of their league and simply wrote random crap which they figured might potentially be useful.

The other answer reads:

str.substring(0, str.lastIndexOf('.'))

Seems fine - except for the fact that it's JavaScript instead of bash! I wrote a comment stating it's the wrong language (although I initially misidentified it as python, which is rather embarrassing - the str probably threw me off).


I'm stil under the impression that both answers have severe content problems, cannot be improved by editing (only by removing all of the old text and replacing it with something else) and should be deleted. The following questions arise:

  • Is there a reason why I should not have flagged the answers?
  • Assuming I was correct in flagging the answers, should I have done anything different to ensure correct handling of the flags? Was the "that's the wrong language" comment not enough?
  • Is it possible to get unbanned so that I can flag more crap?

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VLQ flags are first handled by the community, in the Low Quality review queue, but it here a moderator declined your flags.

The answers you flagged should just have been voted down. They are terrible answers, but they should not be deleted for that. Editing them is not going to turn them into better answers. No community involvement is going to change this.

Note the description on the VLQ flag:

This answer has severe formatting or content problems. This answer is unlikely to be salvageable through editing, and might need to be removed.

The posts do not have such problems. They use English, reasonable grammar, and are formatted correctly.

Had a post been written in a foreign language and you cannot make out if they are attempting to answer, flag it as VLQ. If the post is long and every other word has been bolded or made italic and editing all that out would take some time, flag it as VLQ.

But when the answer being plain, flat out wrong or unhelpful, you just vote. It doesn't matter here that the wrong programming language was used or that they are no more than an unhelpful vague remark.

The alternative would be that we'd require the Low Quality review queue reviewers to start judging the answers on their technical merit, to validate that the answer is indeed wrong in the context of the question. That's not the goal of that review, however.

Flag bans are based only on flags handled in the past 7 days (see this post by Shog9). It doesn't matter when the flags were cast, it is when they are marked as helpful or not that determines if they currently count. You'll be able to flag soon enough again.

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    I thought community handled flags are marked as "disputed", not declined - does that differ for VLQ? And furthermore, why exactly should a post that says "use grep" not be deleted? Both posts do have severe content problems, in that you could replace the content with any random piece of code and it would make just as little sense. This definitely fits the VLQ description IMO.
    – l4mpi
    Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:08
  • So, does your answer apply both to the useless answer in the right language, as well as the one in the completely unrelated language? Or do you want to differentiate that some more? Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:10
  • @l4mpi: there is an attempt at answering there. It is a terrible attempt, but not the kinds of content problems VLQ flags were meant for. Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:10
  • @Deduplicator: it applies to both. Both are terrible, rotten answers and you just downvote. Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:11
  • @l4mpi: I think a community Low Quality review does indeed result in disputed flags, so a moderator declined these explicitly. Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:11
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    That's the same bad reasoning as is the case with NAA. Why not delete these "terrible, rotten answers"? Why differentiate between NAA and VLQ at all if both are only accepted if the post reads "I like tomatoes"?
    – l4mpi
    Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:12
  • @l4mpi: "Try throwing tomatoes at the monitor until the string is split" is trolling. It has content problems. It is a joke answer and deserves a VLQ flag. Although I'd probably use a custom flag to have the account deleted if there are no other positive contributions to redeem the account. Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:17
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    @l4mpi: Gebruik the grep functie om het eerste deel uit de text te halen, inclusief een extensie dat bestaat uit alphabetische letters: code sample has content problems, because it is in Dutch, not English, and Google Translate is not going to be able to produce a decent substitute. Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:21
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    Well, you give examples of other crap that should be deleted, but give no reasons why we should keep the crap I flagged around. I take the "No community involvement is going to change this" of your post to mean this should be deleted with extreme prejudice. I don't see any good reasons why a terrible answer should be alowed to stick around. And I'd even challenge the assumption that the grep one is an answer at all, for me it feels like once the poster figured out the question is about bash they simply threw any random bash command in there to make it seem like an answer.
    – l4mpi
    Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:24
  • @l4mpi: so we are going to put the burden on the reviewers to now read the context, determine that the answer is technically unsound, and vote to delete? Why is downvoting not enough? Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:25
  • Because it's terrible and a waste of space; and because downvoting an answer that doesn't get deleted would permanently cost me rep and thus does not scale all to well (I come across a lot of crap, and usually similarily bad answers were deleted in the past when I flagged them). Note that you don't have to be an expert in bash or JS to figure out if an answer with a comment stating "that's a JS answer to a bash question" is LQ or not - I know that we don't expect reviewers to have knowledge of the reviewed tags but that's exactly why I left a comment clearly explaining the problem.
    – l4mpi
    Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:31
  • @l4mpi: the difference between the examples I gave and these posts is that no technical judgement is required to recognise the crap. I understand that the posts go against all technical decency, so we downvote it. But the posts are still perfectly readable. Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:32
  • @l4mpi: it costs you one lousy rep point. Please don't use that as an excuse to call in the review firing squad. Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:32
  • @l4mpi: I see the VLQ flag as the third option after spam and offensive here too. I reserve it for outright trolling mostly. Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 10:35
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    @BilltheLizard "A moderator looking at a VLQ flag will almost always miss that context" - even though there was a comment stating that it's the wrong language? It's basically the same thing I'd have written into a custom mod flag but instead decided to comment and flag as VLQ instead as it didn't need mod attention, just deletion.
    – l4mpi
    Commented Feb 16, 2015 at 13:41

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