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This person is spamming a huge number of edits removing from questions, with the edit message "Not a Java SE problem". Is there a Meta thread where it was decided that this is a good idea? the tag itself doesn't seem to mention this, stating that one should...

Use this tag for questions referring to Java programming language or Java platform tools.

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    If we're not doing this, can we stop this person? The edits are being almost universally approved.
    – user229044 Mod
    Commented Oct 25, 2014 at 3:51
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    This is yet another "wonderful" realization of the review system. One person doing such mistakes is one thing, but many approving that is even more serious... Why are we always shouting at individuals doing mistaken edits when in fact the whole system is broken upside down? We should fix the system and the rest would be fixed automatically. I am tired of these meta threads... Commented Oct 25, 2014 at 9:59
  • the only java-related tag where such a removal typically makes good sense is java-me
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 25, 2014 at 11:37
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    @meagar - its not clear to me how this is spamming. Please forgive my ignorance. Could you explain?
    – jww
    Commented Oct 25, 2014 at 13:44
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    @jww "spam" as a synonym for "flood", as in to spam submissions or "bullet spam". It's not the content, it's the quantity.
    – user229044 Mod
    Commented Oct 25, 2014 at 17:19
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    I don't think wittakarn meant any harm, he's just trying to be helpful actually.
    – Pacerier
    Commented Oct 25, 2014 at 18:08
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    I wouldn't go for such a mass removal myself, but if java and java-se are tag synonyms, and java-se is inarguably an incorrect tag for a particular question, how can java be a good tag? It sounds to me like either the edits are correct, or the tag synonym is bogus.
    – user743382
    Commented Oct 25, 2014 at 18:20
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    @hvd you've hit the nail on the head! This java tag is being abused in this way, and also in combination with the android tag. Perhaps we can organise some high-power mods to revisit what the java tag really means, and what its synonyms really should be? Commented Oct 27, 2014 at 18:36

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I thought the java tag meant "Java SE problem". If I am wrong, I won't do it again.

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    You shouldn't have done the mass edits in the first place without checking here first. Those kind of edits are frowned upon without seeking input.
    – Daedalus
    Commented Oct 25, 2014 at 9:13
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    Note that tag-only edits are almost never good edits. When you perform an edit be sure to improve everything you can. If a question with bad tags is badly formatted and contains lots of grammatical errors you should fix the tags and fix the formatting and fix the grammar.
    – Bakuriu
    Commented Oct 25, 2014 at 10:01
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    I have not downvoted this answer, but I agree with @Daedalus, naturally. Commented Oct 25, 2014 at 10:10
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    You might consider rolling back the changes you made to all those questions.
    – user229044 Mod
    Commented Oct 25, 2014 at 13:01
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    @meagar I got this message on my blog. "On stackoverflow please stop removing 'java' tags. The tag is broad and for all java questions - even questions that aren't java ee. If you continue to remove tags, you will lose your editing privileges and face suspension". I think it is not a good idea to rollback or do anything about java tag. I do not know who post this comment on my blog. If this post is come from stackoverflow admin, I think it not a good idea to rollback.
    – wittakarn
    Commented Oct 25, 2014 at 14:44
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    @wittakarn I agree with the suggestion that you should rollback and in general undo your damage. If you have an actual reason why you think it's not a good idea, please state it.
    – user207421
    Commented Oct 26, 2014 at 3:18
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    @EJP the reason is in his comment above yours - the guy's scared cos he tried to do something useful and we attacked him like we do many new members. Now he's like a deer in the headlights, not wanting to do anything for fear of being banned. And all because (as hvd comments) the java and java-se tags are synonyms, which means "the same" i.e. a java tag means it is about java-se. Commented Oct 27, 2014 at 18:28
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    The tags are not synonyms. If they display as such, that needs to be fixed right away. Commented Oct 27, 2014 at 19:28
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    @wittakarn hey don't worry. This'll ease out somehow. Keep focused on your game, and don't let meta drag you down. Grow from this, as this is a golden opportunity to understand what "don't take it personnal" means. Commented Oct 27, 2014 at 19:50
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    @wittakarn The message you got on your blog is fake. Somebody is trying to intimidate you by pretending to be a Stack Overflow moderator, but whoever it is, they have no power to suspend you or revoke your editing privileges. If a real moderator needed to send you a message like that, they would only do so through Stack Overflow's own moderator message system; you would see a notification about the message when you log into SO or Meta.
    – David Z
    Commented Oct 27, 2014 at 20:10
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    @ChrisStratton The tags are synonyms and have been for over four years. Perhaps they shouldn't be, but they are.
    – user743382
    Commented Oct 27, 2014 at 20:10
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    @ChrisStratton java-se is a synonym for java, not meaning "anything that is java is also java-se", but the reverse - basically anything java-se should just be tagged java. Presumably, we at some point decided not to have a separate tag for java-se, as the far majority of java questions are about java-se, and so specifically tagging the others (ME/EE) but not SE.
    – Joe
    Commented Oct 27, 2014 at 20:12
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    This looks to be a problem with the concept of synonyms then, as those mapping are mostly one-way, not bidirectional. There are, for example, a huge number of Android questions quite properly tagged Java, and involving java issues, but only a tiny minority of those (involving host-side components) involve Java-SE. Commented Oct 27, 2014 at 20:12
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    FYI, this was discussed briefly back in 2011 here; it seemed like there was some desire for it being a non-synonym but not enough to push any action. It was also discussed here some, this led to the earlier question.
    – Joe
    Commented Oct 27, 2014 at 20:18
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    I disagree that tag-only edits are almost never good edits. There's a reason high-rep users have the ability to edit tags without review, and without editing the question body. Maybe they're rarely good enough edits to be worth clogging the review queue, so they should be done sparingly until you have enough rep to do them automatically, but that's not the same thing.
    – abarnert
    Commented Oct 27, 2014 at 20:28

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