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This question was last asked about 2 years ago and it is still an issue. The wiki's both seem to have been updated, but the vast majority of people abusing this tag are new users (whom I can safely assume are not reading the tag wikis).

Out of 9,439 questions:

  • 2938 are also tagged with
  • 3190 have (likely a lot of overlap)

That's a lot of junk, and I only checked on MS Office related tags. I'm sure other languages are abusing this tag as well. What do we do? Even if we just cleaned up the related questions, that's still several thousand questions to deal with and then the tag just continues to be abused by new users who think (thanks to Microsoft) that = .

I've been replacing macros with vba in new questions as I see them, but that's a drop in the bucket and does little to stem the tide.

How do we clean this up?

I would really like input from the other sub-communities affected by this. I only know how this is affecting the vba portion of the community.

Edit: There are now (6/11/18) 6874 questions

All [macros] + ([excel] or [vba]) questions

At least 5560 447 1356 questions improperly tagged with


Be careful with Access questions. There are things called "Macros" in access that are not VBA. I don't know whether or not it's appropriate to leave the tag on those questions.

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    The tag mentions what a macro is not, but it doesn't actually say what a macro is. Without a clear use case for what questions should use this tag, and how this tag helps them, it seems like this is a tag that just doesn't add any value at all.
    – Servy
    Commented May 29, 2014 at 14:54
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    @ckuhn203 Once again, the tag does not inform me, as a reader of it, what types of questions should use this tag. That is the tag wiki's sole purpose, and it fails to accomplish it.
    – Servy
    Commented May 29, 2014 at 15:20
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    "Macros" is so generic a term, meaning so totally different thing in different contexts (Lisp, C/C++, m4, Excel...), that it sounds like a meta tag. Aren't those frowned upon?
    – hyde
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 17:58
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    Sure @pnuts I can do that soon. I've been actively working on [excel]. That one was just under 4k last time I checked, but I'll get some updated numbers soon. Thank you for the interest and support.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Feb 10, 2015 at 2:48
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    I tried to remove the tags on some recent questions. At least those I was sure of could do without this [macros] tag. However it is a pain because all my edits require review. And there are a lot of people voting NO, since they don't read my comment with my edit, just state that I don't make any changes. Luckily none of the edits has completely been voted down.
    – Luuklag
    Commented Jul 30, 2015 at 9:41
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    Also it is now down to around 1400 questions making the same sum as TS did.
    – Luuklag
    Commented Jul 30, 2015 at 11:52
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    I have been retagging some questions today. Only a few at a time as not to overflow the review system. However I also see a lot of questions containing Macros and other MS-Office related terms such as word, powerpoint and outlook. Perhaps TS can add some numbers about those as well. Perhaps we might be doing the wrong thing here seeing that I don't find many questions that are correctly tagged with Macros
    – Luuklag
    Commented Jul 30, 2015 at 14:40
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    @Luuklag are you only changing the tag? You should be cleaning up the questions as much as possible. Even though the bar for edits is "officially" lower than it used to be, many of the people in the queues are stuck in an old mindset.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Jul 30, 2015 at 15:52
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    Most questions don't even contain the word macros, or use it in such a way that there is no real good alternative. If possible I edit out Macros all together, at least in the title.
    – Luuklag
    Commented Jul 31, 2015 at 6:57
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    I did that one just now @Luuklag
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Aug 6, 2015 at 9:03
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    @pnuts wow! Someone's been busy!
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Sep 16, 2015 at 3:59
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    Nice job @pnuts. I also did a lot of them, but don't have the time anymore since recently. I saw only [macros] + [vba] NO excel remained. Also for me editing was difficult as all had to be approved by review, that's why I only could do 6 at a time, as not to flood the review system.
    – Luuklag
    Commented Sep 16, 2015 at 12:46
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    What's left is significantly smaller and easier to deal with.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Sep 16, 2015 at 12:57
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    I fixed the counts @pnuts. I'm not sure what I was counting there....
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Sep 18, 2015 at 16:53
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    @Luuklag, have you read the bottom of this post? It's great that you are helping, but keep note of the amount of strain you are putting on the suggested edit queue.
    – gunr2171
    Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 15:59

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"Macro" can mean so many different things in programming, such as programming editor macros (which are rather different in different editors and IDEs), simple and less simple text substitution macros (such as C/C++ preprosessor macros, and macro languages like m4), VBA macros, and constructs like Lisp macros.

In other words, if you look for "" questions, you get questions about things which essentially have nothing in common. This old blog uses term "dependent tags". And trying to use wiki entry to restrict meanings of a word like this doesn't work, and sounds wrong even if posters would obey.

As I understand it, tags like this are prime candidates for burnination.

Better have multiple tags, which say what macros they are about.

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    "Better have multiple tags" Do you have any recommendations on what new tags need to be created to replace macros? Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 21:37
  • @KevinBrown he mentioned earlier that preprocessor could replace macros for the non-vba use. I don' t know enough about the "other" uses of the tag to say.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 21:42
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    @KevinBrown Well, I guess simply vba-macros, cpp-macros, lisp-macros, vim-macros and so on.
    – hyde
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 21:46
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    I'll burn vba-macros faster than you can spit.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 21:47
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    @RubberDuck I know almost nothing about them, but it seems to be a concept people talk about and more-or-less agree what it means. But what ever is the correct term for them, that should be the base for the tag.
    – hyde
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 21:49
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    Well..... you've got a point. It could be created and then synomized. That way people who don't know what they're talking about find the tag they're looking for in spite of themselves.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 21:51
  • "macro" does not have different meanings, the issue steams with people attributing it to a platform: both in the questions that have it tagged, and in this post discussion. This is kind of ridiculous, because it's platform independent. However, it absolutely CAN describe the context of a question AND content in a question. It can stand alone as a tag. Commented Feb 24, 2015 at 21:46
  • on a separate note, I understand and disagree with the meta-tag notion and discouragment, this dependent tag "issue", as well as the impulsive decision to refactor the tagging system. If you can identify the difference between tags that describe the context/content of a Q&A, and those that attribute a meaning/value (like best-practices)... then you should facility that difference as well as what's being described.. make it a feature... Commented Feb 24, 2015 at 21:52
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    Actually, excel-macros at least is legitimate in my book: you might have questions about using VBA script in a macro, or using the macro recorder. VBA I guess perhaps not.
    – Joe
    Commented Nov 3, 2015 at 16:02
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We can't just burn the tag entirely because it does have a valid use and relevance for the and languages. So, we're going to need to clean up by hand. Which sucks. Pretty bad. But I'm willing to put some effort into cleaning this up. Hopefully some others in the community will lend a hand.

The tag wiki was recently revised to call out that this tag should not be used on questions.

It also makes sense to create a tag to be synomized with plain old . This way, people who don't understand that != will find the correct tag in spite of themselves. I plan on doing this as soon as I have a moment.

As for the re-tagging effort, let's start with the Excel Questions tagged with macro. Then, we can move on to the other office applications. Be sure when suggesting to make edits that address any and all issues with the question (if privileged to edit without review, just fix whatever you can, when you can). Also, feel free to downvote/VTC bad and off topic questions. Don't bother removing the tag from negative score, no answer questions. They'll get swept up by the roomba eventually.

You can also help by removing from any newly created questions.

Please feel free to add useful searches here to be cleaned up and mark them off as they are completed.

(Without double-counting, ie nil.)

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    Why mention C/C++? With them, macros overlaps almost 100% with preprosessor. Better example might be Lisp. Possibly also m4 and similar macro languages, though then "macro" part is implied.
    – hyde
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 17:57
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    @hyde because I don't know jack about C/C++ and this guy insisted it was relevant.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 17:58
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    @hyde if you think this can be burnt wholesale, can you please post an answer saying so?
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 19:18
  • @pnuts I can't say I disagree. The tag attracts a... certain kind of user. I've been putting effort into the ones that deserve it and blitz the rest.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Jan 31, 2015 at 1:25
  • @pnuts I updated the counts. Starting to make a dent on the Excel questions.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Feb 17, 2015 at 1:13
  • Feel free to edit @pnuts. (That is much less daunting btw.)
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Feb 17, 2015 at 1:41
  • [macros]+[excel] is at 0 now, and [macros]+[vba] is below 100 now.
    – Luuklag
    Commented Dec 4, 2015 at 13:55
  • @Chrismas007 for [Macros] + [Excel] I only see 2 posts, instead of the 172 you list....
    – Luuklag
    Commented Dec 10, 2015 at 15:08
  • I updated the number of posts in the Q now, such a shame to see all work being undone again. We should think of a more permanent solution.
    – Luuklag
    Commented Jun 11, 2018 at 10:04
  • @Luuklag yeah, like blacklisting... or blacklisting.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jun 11, 2018 at 14:28
  • @Braiam, that would be a solution, but then what should we do for the legitimate uses of the tag. Last time I checked we can't blacklist only a combination of tags.
    – Luuklag
    Commented Jun 11, 2018 at 14:34
  • There are legitimate uses for this tag. Just not for VBA.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Jun 11, 2018 at 14:51
  • I would say that [macros] isn't a good tag by any metric. It means whatever the reader wants it to mean, and isn't immediately obvious. Now, we need a good text for Shog to put in the error message.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jun 11, 2018 at 15:12
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I know Access has legitimate Macros, and there exists an tag. I think you need to either decide whether that tag will also be burninated, or be careful to re-tag the questions relating to Access (and possibly other applications that have macros) and not just dump them. In other words, be careful about questions tagged as just "" and "".

I agree that Excel questions can have the macro tag dumped, though. Modules are VBA, they're not macros, and should be tagged as such.

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    Agreed, but we're a long way from getting around to Access.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Feb 9, 2015 at 23:35
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    Nope. You're right @pnuts. That tag is gone.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Sep 18, 2015 at 17:42
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So there are only the macros in Access that can be tagged with the macros-tag? What about the macros from Excel and Word? If I want to know how to activate a macro in Excel from Word I cannot tag it with macros? Great. Why don't you just alter the tag from macros to Access-macros? Would be easier to understand... Of course everyone who's new, will make this mistake... Not everyone's got the time to read every tag-description... But I will read everything from now on...

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  • Don't tag either of them macros. Neither word nor excel nor access. Tag with the language instead, and maybe the program. Commented Jan 13, 2016 at 8:21
  • Ok, I think i will just add the most neccessairy tags from now on... Thank you Duplicator :)
    – Kathara
    Commented Jan 13, 2016 at 8:22
  • I think this is exactly the confusion I was talking about. Excel & Word don't have anything called a "macro". You can call VBA code, but Access is the only one that has macros. And macros don't require any VBA code. Honestly, IMO, Access-Macro questions belong on Super User.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Jan 13, 2016 at 9:45
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    Wrong. There are things called macros in Excel in Word. Have you ever activated the developers-tab? There is a menu called "Macros". Macros are being scripted with vba, but these still ARE MACROS. If I really am wrong I would like a Wikipedia-like declaration of "Macro" (Wikipedia-entry for Macros: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_%28computer_science%29).
    – Kathara
    Commented Jan 13, 2016 at 10:21
  • It's a terribly confusing term, and a hold over from when Excel and Word had actual macros.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented Jan 13, 2016 at 12:27
  • What Word and Excel have can be debated. What ACCESS has that is designated "Macro" is definitely NOT VBA - it's something else entirely. Access does have MACROS and they can be executed by VBA and sometimes provide a useful alternative to writing a lot of code to accomplish a task, so I don't believe they should be banned to SuperUser as @RubberDuck suggests. Commented Jan 14, 2016 at 17:50

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