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I have noticed that a lot of the questions I down-vote are from users with a very low reputation (and usually a randomly generated username). Perhaps these users shouldn't be able to ask questions until they have studied the site a little, and perhaps understand what good questions look like? The bar shouldn't be set very high -- maybe 10 points or so. Also, people with randomly generated usernames don't seem to be very community oriented -- perhaps they should be banned from asking questions altogether?

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    This is politically incorrect, so it will not be implemented.
    – user1804599
    Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:18
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    Doesn't this defeat the purpose of being able to ask a question in the first place?
    – Makoto
    Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:19
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    -1 This would lead to a flood of users giving really poor answers or suggested edits in an attempt to gain the rep to ask their question: in other words, it would shift the quality problem from questions to answers. Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:20
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    Not to mention the flood of really bad usernames.
    – sehe
    Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:20
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    Even new users can write excellent questions. Contrary to recent ressentiments, newcomer questions are actually often well-received. There's no point in penalizing everyone just because a small minority can't be bothered nor educated.
    – mario
    Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:22
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    Can't vote as dupe cos MSO vs MSE, but: meta.stackexchange.com/q/164377/155739 Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:23
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    There's enough users here. Close the door for awhile.
    – Dan Lugg
    Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:25
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    @mario it's not a small minority, and it's not a sin to ask people to understand the community they're joining before they mess it all up. Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:25
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    @EngineerDollery: By simultaneously being active on Stack Overflow, and existing in the physical reality in which rep is automatically shared between Stack Overflow and Meta Stack Overflow. Frakking genius, these meta rep whores! Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:26
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    "before they mess it all up". Like, you know, what you're doing on meta now?
    – sehe
    Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:26
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    @EngineerDollery Go to his stackoverflow account, not the meta one.
    – HamZa
    Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:28
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    @EngineerDollery: If you're going to blast people for supposedly not engaging themselves in this community, you should make some attempt to pay attention yourself to what's going on around you. The Meta split was highly publicised, and not that long ago. You could at least have read the FAQ. meta.stackexchange.com/q/228888/155739 Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:37
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    @EngineerDollery users already have to go through an interstitial page and click a checkbox to ask their question- it's a mistake to think they're just too lazy to type it into Google and that a small push will get them to do so. Rather, they don't realize they should Google, or are not good at phrasing their query or reading the results. If you think bad questions are a problem, how about "lol I dunno UR answer but upvote me sir I have urgent question" answers? Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:40
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    Consider how frequent Not An Answer posts are already, when people ask questions in answer boxes just because they don't know the difference. How do you think they'll react when a page says "you cannot ask, but please feel free to answer!" Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:41
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    @EngineerDollery: The problem is precisely that you risk pissing off people who may be fantastic developers and potentially amazing community members, and making it so that they never participate. Not every intelligent and knowledgeable developer is already on SO with high rep. But this has all been hashed out already; go to the MSE page I linked you to twice. Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:46

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Let me tell you a little story about a forum I once tried to participate in. I do some work on the Oculus Rift, and Oculus has developer forums for discussing various topics. Now they had a spam problem in these forums, so they decided to solve that by requiring anybody who wanted to start a new thread to have posted in at least five other threads before they could do so.

You know what happened? People spammed in threads all over the site in order to be able to ask the question that they wanted to in a new thread. The whole thing turned into a mess, and I walked away really frustrated because I wasn't going to be able to ask the one question I wanted to.

People are desperate to have their questions answered, and they will do what they can to find a way to do this. One of the leading reasons I've observed for people creating sock puppets to vote for their own content is so that they can work around the question ban we impose on bad askers. They find all kinds of ways to create these fake accounts, which need 15 rep to upvote, from spamming bad edits until they get an account over that threshold to posting plagiarized content.

By forcing a reputation barrier, you will block good askers who simply don't participate much here and drive them away, while the really determined help vampires will find a way to work around this. I can tell you right now that we will see a load of garbage answers flooding the site if this was put in place, not to mention pure rage from good developers blocked by this.

I've even begun warming to the idea of allowing 1-rep users to comment, subject to the addition of moderation tooling for watching over these comments. While the reputation barrier we have in place for that was designed to keep spam and noise out, it also leads to piles and piles of non-answers and a lot of legitimate frustration from people who only want to provide follow-on comments.

A reputation barrier to asking questions is a really bad idea in my opinion.

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    It pains me a little but I feel like I'm starting to agree with you on the comments suggestion. Commented May 2, 2014 at 8:04
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    Let me tell you a little story about a forum I once tried to participate in When this didn't turn into a Fresh Prince reference, I must admit I was saddened. But you make a good point, nonetheless. Commented Jun 5, 2014 at 18:25
  • I'm being chatty but I am also a very early adopter of the Oculus and remember exactly what you are describing. That was SO AWFUL.
    – L0j1k
    Commented Oct 23, 2014 at 8:45
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Regarding question-asking barriers, the problem you identify is a real one, and the solution you propose is clearly well-intentioned; or, at least, I've suggested this myself in the past. However it was pointed out to me then and now it's been pointed out to you, also, that these solutions just shift the problem rather than fixing it.

As for usernames, again I can see where you're coming from, but forcing people to select a username and ensure that it does not match the regex /user(\d+)/ is not going to make people more community-oriented; they will remain just as lazy and selfish as they were before, but now with added stupidity in their usernames.

I long ago resigned myself to the conclusion that these issues are fundamentally unfixable in an open system.

At least it's really very easy to get a question-asking ban if you're downvoted to oblivion a couple of times ;) Sure, that doesn't fix the initial poor questions, but unless you're going to force somebody to take a test and appoint somebody else to be Lord High Test Giver and decide who gets to ask questions and who does not, you can't solve that either without simply banning all new users ever from asking any questions ever again.

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    The shift in problems is speculative, not proved. Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:31
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    @EngineerDollery It's also blindingly bloody obvious. Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:32
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    And my code is obviously always right, so why do I need to write tests... Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:36
  • Testing is not done in production environments, though.
    – sehe
    Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:37
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    @EngineerDollery: No, your code is not obviously always right. Code obviously will always have bugs. That has nothing to do with this whatsoever. It's a well-established pattern that people who do not care about the integrity/neatness of SO will find a way around any barrier you put up, and that's been proven time and time again. People who post comments as answers "because they don't have enough rep yet" are the most obvious example. This would be no different. It's psychology/social studies, not computer programming or QA. Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:38
  • @sehe -- testing is almost always done in production. Take a look at the new Samsung Galaxy S5 if you doubt that. Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:45
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    Sorry @LightnessRacesinOrbit, I was overreaching for a metaphor. I simply meant that what seems blindingly obvious often isn't right. That's what science, and experimentation is for. That's why we right tests, to defend us against what is obvious, and it's what I'm suggesting here -- that we experiment, rather than speculate. Changes don't need to be slow in coming, nor do they need to be set in stone if they're not working. Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:48
  • @EngineerDollery: I already told you why and how we've seen it before. And because it's social science, it's been seen millions of times on a global scale and been well documented. You can't say the same about the code you wrote yesterday and are now running in production for the first time. Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:50
  • @EngineerDollery I don't know what side you were trying to argue there. I bet the revenue generated in vehicle sales, infrastructure projects and pharmaceutical expenditures will dwarf the numbers for smart phones running open-source operating systems, e.g.
    – sehe
    Commented May 1, 2014 at 22:07
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    @EngineerDollery Science is about testing, but within reason, because it's also about generalizing from the generic particular. If every other time they've implemented a bar to posting questions, people have found workarounds which allowed them to post questions anyway (e.g. banned users creating new accounts), it's not unfair, unreasonable, or unscientific to say that new users will jump through hoops to post their question, but they will do so with disregard for the rules and the community. That's an educated guess with evidentiary support, not a wildly anecdotal claim. Commented Jun 5, 2014 at 18:33
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Low-rep users should not be able to ask questions

I totally disagree. Why not? Just because they have low reputation doesn't mean they're dumb and not capable of asking good questions. In fact, new users contribute to a lot of good quality questions. If we impose such a limit over new users, we're essentially blocking good content too.

Also, people with randomly generated usernames don't seem to be very community oriented -- perhaps they should be banned from asking questions altogether?

All the usernames are randomly generated and are of the format userXXXXX. That's the same over the entire network. Why should username be a factor when you judge the quality of a question? Don't judge a person by his looks, username or profile picture. In fact, don't judge him at all. Just look at the questions/answers he posts and give them the appropriate treatment.

Proof that users with default usernames can contribute

Take a look at this data.SE query:

  1. user113716 - 133243 reputation
  2. user414076 - 55136 reputation
  3. user370305 - 41870 reputation
  4. user7116 - 38857 reputation
  5. user2357112 - 29139 reputation
  6. user187291 - 27816 reputation
  7. user225312 - 20192 reputation
  8. user246408 - 19412 reputation
  9. user568109 - 17151 reputation
  10. user2864740 - 13490 reputation
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    My username wasn't randomly generated - It's the name I chose when I set up my account -- yours too by the look of it. Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:35
  • @EngineerDollery: Yeah, so? Why should it matter at all? Are you saying people with randomly generated usernames are incapable of asking good questions? Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:36
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    I'm saying that they're unlikely to be part of a community. I haven't seen many high-reputation accounts with random usernames, and good quality questions seem to come from high-rep accounts. (I'm counting anything above 20 as high in this case -- like I said, I set the bar quite low). Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:38
  • Also, people and books, are always judged by their covers. How else are you meant to judge it? That's what judging means, and everyone is judgmental. To assume otherwise is dishonest. Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:40
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    @EngineerDollery: See the updated answer. I've added proof for you :) Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:51
  • @AmalMurali Even more interesting, I know userXXXXX that would consistently CW all their answers, or post the payload in a comment. You'd never know by looking at the rep.
    – sehe
    Commented May 1, 2014 at 22:12
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    3k more reputation and I would be on the list :'(
    – user000001
    Commented May 25, 2014 at 12:34
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    @EngineerDollery You are user:2051454, according to the system. Just another number, as far as The Man is concerned. Commented Jun 5, 2014 at 18:42
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If you ask enough low-quality questions, you can be restricted from asking more, yes. It is already in place, at least in stack overflow proper.

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    That wasn't my suggestion. I'm suggesting that you must have earned some rep before posting your first question. Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:32
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    @Engineer: And he's telling you about the system that is already in place to address this concern, at least in part. Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:33
  • Ok, I understand your question better. And yes, that proposal would effectively cut off stack overflow from the majority of users. If only serious, non trivial questions are allowed, and you must have answered some of these already (well enough to earn rep), then you are cutting off a large amount of users. Granted, the "least valuable" set, but essentially it would become more and more difficult over time to "break in", as only existing, experienced users asking questions that they themselves were unable to figure out. This would block out all beginners from participating in stack overflow.
    – wedstrom
    Commented May 1, 2014 at 21:50
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    I realize that I'm opening myself up for serious bombardment here, but personally, I don't value the presence of beginners on SO. I'd rather steer it towards becoming a professional community. Commented May 2, 2014 at 12:58
  • Perhaps a higher bar of entry could increase the quality for the site in general, but you also have to consider how tremendously valuable that participation is for those new users. Stack overflow has made an enormous contribution to the careers of many people, who not so long ago had NOTHING to offer the community as a whole. So while your basic premise of more exclusivity/higher quality is true to a point, I think the losses overall would outweigh the benefits. The exceptional questions and users are drawn to the top very quickly by the rating systems anyway.
    – wedstrom
    Commented May 2, 2014 at 19:01
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It is not easy to ask good questions, especially not if you are not communicating in your main language. There has to be a place where new users can learn the art of providing enough information to make their question understandable. We should be willing to provide some support on this, as everyone has been new on the forum at some point.

I do post comments to new user questions that are not clear, in order to make them understand what makes a good question. This is not as interesting as answering a technical problem, but it will educate users and help them to learn. In my opinion this should be highly valued as one of the points of StackOverflow is to learn, to get better. In my experience there is no better way to do this than to ask questions. As writing code this is an interactive process and you must be allowed to make mistakes in order to get it right.

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