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is way too broad.

It could currently include any sort of web programming, which could apply to (as a guess) about half the questions on Stack Overflow. Its tag description says not to use it, yet there are many questions created each day with it.

Can we burninate and/or blacklist it?

I mean, if [web-development] is gone...

There are currently over 41,000 questions, maybe some server-side twiddling (@_@)?

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    ...I agree, but why do I feel so reluctant...? Yes, it's broad, but there are some gems in those categories. Could you indicate a handful which you think are exemplary and a handful which you think wouldn't stand up with just the web tag?
    – Makoto
    Commented Oct 12, 2013 at 20:56
  • @Makoto I don't think which are exemplary really matters. I feel that a total of 0 of them would 'stand up' with just the web tag. I mean, what type of results one would expect if looking for web, unless you want to see 3 million questions (1/2 the questions on SO). Commented Oct 12, 2013 at 20:59
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    @Makoto No question could stand up with just the web tag. "Something to do with the Internet" is an extremely broad range of topics that can only be used as a meta-tag in a programming context anyways.
    – animuson StaffMod
    Commented Oct 12, 2013 at 21:01
  • I'm on board then.
    – Makoto
    Commented Oct 12, 2013 at 21:03
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    Here's 91 questions with only the [web] tag. At the very least, we probably need to manually tend to these. Commented Oct 12, 2013 at 21:24
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    @Dukeling If the tag gets destroyed, they'll all be remapped to untagged so it's not like they'd be difficult to find anyways. But I went through and closed/deleted quite a few questions off that list.
    – animuson StaffMod
    Commented Oct 12, 2013 at 21:48
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    Question: internet is (in most senses) more broad than web. Should we keep that around? Commented May 5, 2014 at 5:07
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    @PaulDraper No, we shouldn't. Commented Jun 18, 2014 at 19:02
  • web is up to 13.6k, what's the status on this? Commented Jan 24, 2015 at 23:38
  • There are also 7 questions for non-web Commented Oct 24, 2017 at 10:44
  • would you mind updating this post with answers to 4 questions from meta.stackexchange.com/a/239191/320317 ? We now have a ~definition of meta-tags so we can make this proposal obviously valid
    – YakovL
    Commented Oct 17, 2018 at 20:15
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    Just bumped this post, as (obviously) nothing has been done. Hoping it gets some new attention, especially given this post currently sits at +66/-0
    – jhpratt
    Commented Nov 6, 2018 at 19:55
  • @animuson is there any possibility to just zap the tag from existence?
    – Braiam
    Commented Oct 28, 2020 at 17:34

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I think the question you first have to ask is whether or not and are synonymous in this situation. Personally, I say get rid of it. Most of the questions tagged with are also tagged with , , , etc.. Basically, the tag isn't helping anybody if it encompasses every web technology.

Let it burn.  

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    My thinking wasn't really that they were synonyms (but then again, Stack Overflow is a programming site, so (on-topic) web questions are probably mostly web dev questions), but rather that web-development is less broad than web and was burninated for being too broad (i.e. > too broad = too broad). Commented Apr 17, 2014 at 22:43
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    Either way, our conclusion was the same. I agree the tag is way too broad.
    – Dynamic
    Commented Apr 17, 2014 at 23:00
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The hard part is done!

All of the questions that aren't already closed have been re-tagged. There were a few off-topic questions that I flagged, but did not re-tag - I think it's not too scary if these go untagged when you delete the tag.

All that's left is for one of the admins to delete the dreaded tag.

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    We're referring to web-only tags. Commented Apr 17, 2014 at 22:49
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    I too have been working on some of them. Some of the still-web-only questions in that query are probably ones that are flagged for whatever reason. Commented Apr 17, 2014 at 22:50
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    @Dukeling He was referring to web-only questions. In fact it sounds like he's rather for the idea. Commented Apr 17, 2014 at 23:06
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    @Dukeling I'm not sure you're watching the same channel as we are. I am reporting that the tags were removed, on a question by question basis, mostly by me and @Qix just today. The only remaining questions tagged with web are those awaiting closing.
    – Arman H
    Commented Apr 17, 2014 at 23:06
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    The 9000+ questions that already have more than 1 tag can just drop web, and that should be the end of that. The remaining 90 or so have been re-tagged with other tags, so that they don't get lost. That is what I meant by "the hard part is done" - the manual labor is finished, and the admins can batch-drop the tag from the rest of the questions. I'm not sure I can be any more clear than that.
    – Arman H
    Commented Apr 17, 2014 at 23:33
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    What is your vision of "tending to" the other 9000+ questions, besides just dropping web?
    – Arman H
    Commented Apr 17, 2014 at 23:34
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    @Dukeling: From the burninate wiki: Requests to have a tag "burninated" (or deleted) from the system. Use in case of uncertainty when requesting discussion, or when the popularity of the tag makes manual retagging followed by automatic culling of 0-question tags prohibitively difficult. Commented Apr 18, 2014 at 0:22
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    One of the top moderators pointed out how dangerous such things are here - Moderators should be able to remove / burninate a tag themselves. Commented Apr 18, 2014 at 0:26
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    First off, most of his concerns regarding burninating a tag have been dealt with here. web is nowhere near the grizzly homework was. Take a look at the only comment backing up burnination. I feel like you're grasping at straws. Commented Apr 18, 2014 at 3:15
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    You want to burninate the tag in your OP but now you're totally against it. What gives? This is exactly what burninating tags is for... Commented Apr 18, 2014 at 3:15
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    I fail to see your argument, then. Commented Apr 18, 2014 at 4:44
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    What you're proposing should be a whole another project that is separate from the proposal at hand, and should be separately considered on its own. I found this thread because I wanted to suggest dumping the [web] tag too, not because I wanted to edit all 9000+ questions that may or may not have things that need fixing. I am certain moderators can dump the tags without pushing the questions up in the queue, if that's your concern. Anyways, when [web-development] got dropped, no one combed through ALL the posts to edit ALL possible fixes before going forward with it, and neither should we.
    – Arman H
    Commented Apr 18, 2014 at 20:41
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    The first sentence of your last comment is that burniating is extremely rare. Yes, and this is the case that warrants that rare action, no? If not, then why did this thread ever get started in the first place?
    – Arman H
    Commented Apr 18, 2014 at 20:45
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    We're just going in circles. You insist that 9K questions need to be pruned to drop the tag, I say that's irrelevant. My case point is your own example: there was no clean-up for [web-development], and don't see how treating [web] should be any different. Now if we could get some moderators to chime in...
    – Arman H
    Commented Apr 18, 2014 at 22:44
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    "Burnination consists of either manual or automatic removal - this is what I'm proposing"... Really? Because you're also proposing that "we should fix every possible thing that can be fixed in that post", which is not exactly about burniating or "automatic removal", is it? I think you should find a clear position first, because I'm really confused by your arguments (and not just me, apparently).
    – Arman H
    Commented Apr 18, 2014 at 22:48
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I disagree with burning this, although I could probably be convinced otherwise.

For the time being, it appears to be widely used as a way for folks who are interested - or disinterested - in all things World Wide Web to indicate their preferences, often combined with a good many other, more specific tags. That said, there are certainly people whose area of expertise cuts across many languages and platforms, focusing their skills on the development of web applications...

...which brings me to my point: why do we have and ? Perhaps a better request would be to merge these two.

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    I'm disinterested in most things web (unless it's algorithms) (possibly mainly "web languages", actually), but I don't think the web tag adds many questions to the 100 or so tags I'm ignoring. Many / most people probably don't use it, and adding it to all things web seems like it would do more harm than good ... which leads me back to a tag hierarchy. Commented Jun 14, 2014 at 19:39
  • No one's adding it to anything, so far as I can see @Dukeling. Questions get asked in it, either by folks who don't know any better, or folks who don't feel like building a tag soup or perhaps both.
    – Shog9
    Commented Jun 14, 2014 at 19:52
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    (Greatly) inconsistently using it seems worse than not having it at all, but maybe that's just the perfectionist in me speaking (i.e. either we should aim to edit it into all questions where it applies, or we should get rid of it). Commented Jun 14, 2014 at 19:56
  • I'm far more interested in whether or not it synonymizes web-applications than I am in whether or not folks have a strict standard for using it - so far as I can tell, it is consistently used for questions regarding programming WWW applications, which really just leaves "too broad" as the primary knock against it. ...and given there's a windows tag, picking on the web seems sorta silly.
    – Shog9
    Commented Jun 14, 2014 at 20:00
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    The web tag seems about the same as using the windows tag to mean any program written to run on Windows (as opposed to questions specific to Windows, and not related to other OS's - e.g. crashing on Windows, Windows-only functionality / library), which would just be ridiculous. But even if only for questions specific to Windows, it still kind of seems too broad. Commented Jun 14, 2014 at 20:13
  • Should I downvote this because I disagree with your disagreement, or should I upvote this because I agree with synonymizing web and web-applications? </somewhatRetoricalQuestion> Commented Jun 14, 2014 at 20:16
  • @Shog9 Do you still believe this tag should exist?
    – jhpratt
    Commented Nov 6, 2018 at 22:50

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