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I recently encountered a question that was clearly off-topic (it was asking about why a particular contest didn't allow external libraries, which should be directed to the people holding the contest rather than us). It was kind of a rant in disguise, but not so much of a rant that I'd flag it as Rude/Abusive.

That being said, it was eventually deleted by a moderator after it was closed for being off-topic:

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However, the main page shows it being marked as Spam or Rude/Abusive. Was it actually marked as Rude/Abusive, or is this a bug? If so, why was this considered rude (rather than merely off-topic)? Also, if it was, in fact, marked as rude, why wasn't the 100 rep hard penalty applied?

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Here's a link to the original question for 10k+ users.

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    I suspect that it was in error. Mods make mistakes (such as wrong button clicks), just like the rest of us. As much as some believe otherwise, they are only human.
    – Thom A
    Commented Feb 24, 2021 at 15:44
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    Probably a mod deleted the question in response to R/A flag instead of declining it. I doubt it's a bug. Also, mods do not see this message so they might not even realize sometimes that marking the flag as helpful leads to confusing messages for the rest of us
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Feb 24, 2021 at 15:45
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    Probably that the question is deleted WHRAOEUL there's at least one spam flag on it. In that case it will be displayed like that while the penalty is not applied.
    – user202729
    Commented Feb 24, 2021 at 15:49
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    When just one user has flagged it as rude/abusive, that banner will show, if the post is deleted before the flag is handled. The user will not get the penalty unless it was deleted as rude/abusive by 6 red flags by regular users or one red flag by a moderator. The user does not see this message at all. They're completely unaware of the banner. I know because I've tried that on one of my own Answers :-)
    – Scratte
    Commented Feb 24, 2021 at 15:55
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    That's still slightly odd to me - I don't see any particular reason to flag this as Rude/Abusive, it's just off topic. Commented Feb 24, 2021 at 15:57
  • @EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Oh, I'm sorry. I do make mistakes, so much to click.
    – rene
    Commented Feb 24, 2021 at 16:04
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    Minor point: in your screenshot, you've redacted the moderator name, which is fine, but somewhat moot since you shared a link to the post.
    – cigien
    Commented Feb 24, 2021 at 16:25
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    A single person had flagged it as spam, and when the post was deleted by a moderator, that one flag triggered the content-hiding setting for spam. Content hiding is independent from penalties for red flags, which only apply when 6 such flags are cast (or when a moderator cast such a flag).
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Feb 24, 2021 at 17:30
  • It’s possible that this post did indeed include spam, which the OP then removed during the 5 minute grace period, so no revision history of it is available. However, I remember a discussion about flags immediately ending the grace period. But maybe someone flagged it a second after the edit and didn’t notice or forgot to retract the flag. Just speculating. Commented Feb 25, 2021 at 0:09
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    IMO it's not abusive, but it is rude.
    – AJM
    Commented Feb 25, 2021 at 15:56
  • wow, probably people voted to get it dleted
    – nullcoder
    Commented Feb 25, 2021 at 15:56
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    @user202729: WHRAOEUL? Commented Feb 25, 2021 at 18:01
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    Why does the reason matter? The garbage is cleared, and that's the point at the end of the day.
    – Ian Kemp
    Commented Feb 25, 2021 at 22:04
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    @IanKemp because spam gets routed to SpamRam and the user's IP will be marked as a spam account even though they didn't spam.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Feb 26, 2021 at 17:13
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    @IanKemp As long as it doesn't result in undeserved sanctions against the user. The post wasn't rude, just off-topic. Commented Feb 27, 2021 at 22:24

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It only needs one red flag (spam or rude/abusive) to cause that effect.

If you feel a post is red-flagged deleted incorrectly, raise a custom moderator flag explaining that a red flag was present on the post and that it got marked helpful due to the mod delete vote.

The mod will then revisit and if they agree there was no red-flagable content they will undelete the post, clear the flag and then re-delete (they can't clear flags while the post is deleted).

Not much else we can do about it, except using those red flags responsibly.

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    Minor nit: Actually, we do have the option to clear spam/rude/abusive (red) flags while the post is deleted. However, if the post is deleted and/or locked, then clearing the red flags automatically undeletes and unlocks the post, with no option not to have the undelete/unlock happen. If we want the post to end in the deleted state, then we need to re-delete it after the red flags are cleared.
    – Makyen Mod
    Commented Feb 24, 2021 at 18:47
  • The last sentence "Doesn't it make sense?" sounds kinda rude to me tbh
    – wyphan
    Commented Feb 24, 2021 at 23:29
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    @wyphan that doesn’t make it a rude or offensive post. If you can edit the post to improve it the flag doesn’t apply. See What are the “spam” and “rude or abusive” (offensive) flags, and how do they work? for more information.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Feb 25, 2021 at 0:34
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    @wyphan Assume the best if you have no proof of the worst.
    – Gimby
    Commented Feb 25, 2021 at 8:46
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    @wyphan - How so? The OP presented their reasoning, and then solicited feedback with this question. It's a rhetorical question, most like, but that hardly makes it rude. Commented Feb 25, 2021 at 11:58
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    Point of order. Are all flags red?
    – Joshua
    Commented Feb 25, 2021 at 23:24
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    @wyphan the only rudeness I could see in the question "Doesn't it make sense" would be if the person were a native English speaker and said it in an aggressive manner. My own read on this is that the person isn't a native English speaker, so was intending something like the more neutral "Does that make sense?" not understanding the more subtle aspects of the potential connotations within exactly how it was phrased.
    – ErikE
    Commented Feb 26, 2021 at 0:30
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    @Joshua only two of them, now clarified in the answer.
    – rene
    Commented Feb 26, 2021 at 8:04
  • Seems like a mod took your advice! :-) Commented Feb 26, 2021 at 23:28

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