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Effective immediately, I am resigning from my position as moderator on Stack Overflow. I will no longer actively participate on the site or network sites. I will move whatever discussions I can with the people here to other media, and mostly refrain from entering chat.

These words are very hard for me to write — a decent chunk of my life was made here on Stack Overflow. My programming practices, my career, and a good chunk of my professional knowledge are overwhelmingly thanks to Stack Overflow, and the people who make it up.

Back in September, when this whole thing started, I advocated patience. That we didn't know the story. That considering only what we had observed, and ignoring interpretations, there was still a good chance of salvaging the situation.

I no longer hold that belief. I believe that since then the trend had only more extremely sloped downwards, and yet downwards, the two turning points being the absolute lack of resolution with Monica, and the recent firing of two of our most valued members. I no longer believe that there's a good chance that the site and its ideals, for which I had joined all those years ago, can be saved.

I no longer believe that the company's leadership is playing in good faith towards a common goal with its users, and in hindsight I conclude that it has never played in good faith since the beginning of these recent events. I no longer believe that we are playing a positive sum game — in fact, I am no longer sure of the expected payoff of many of the players, nor their goals.


I'd like to thank the community management team (both current and former) for their boundless patience, professionalism, and competence over the years, and especially in these trying times.

I'd like to thank my fellow moderators across the network, with whom I've engaged in a great many eye opening discussions — on moderation and other topics, and who had radically changed and shaped my way of thinking.

And I'd like to thank all of you. The members of our community. New and veteran. Currently participating and no. High reputation and low. You are who make this community great. And are the only real remaining light I see here. Continue to be excellent to each other, and stay strong.

Thank you. It has been an honor serving you, and with you. And goodbye.

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    Wishing you rest of mind. In the wake of the fact that so many mods/people are leaving, we are in a dire need for new blood on the site.
    – machine_1
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 18:23
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    You would expect that after so many resignations it becomes easy to produce a thoughtful and caring comment. But at each event the words to express what I feel seem to matter less and less. I relate to the patience. And patience you have shown. But I'm not going to argue you should have waited a little bit longer. It is what it is, we were at the top. Gravity takes over, we're rolling down the mountain. I expect it to be an awesome ride down the hill. I'm sad to see you step-out early. I wish I had your courage. Take care. And thank you.
    – rene
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 18:27
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    Gutted to see this. Always enjoyed conversing with you on chat whenever you showed your face. Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 18:28
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    Be well. I enjoyed working with you. I hope we meet again elsewhere. Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 18:38
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    I guess we will stop seeing the 500 Rep Bounties giving to canonial answers. I was hoping one day you will select one of mine but ... I am now wondering which moderator will be the last survivor of this community. Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 19:17
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    well problem is: previous moderators had Shog9 to remove their diamond… Looks like you're stuck with us. Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 22:05
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    @Jafo The job of moderators has never been to answer questions. Their job is to moderate. Often, that does mean closing or otherwise rejecting questions that experience has shown aren't suitable for Stack Overflow. It may not always be pretty or glamorous, and I can understand why it's frustrating when you're on the receiving end, but it is absolutely necessary, and it's what made Stack Overflow into the high-quality resource that it is today. There are plenty of other sites on the Internet that have lower or no standards, but you chose to come here instead of there.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 23:10
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    None of us are in it for the badges or brownie points, @Kev. As long as there is some good that can be done for the site by continuing to hold the diamond, there will be people who continue to try and use it to do that good. Obviously, as people feel that all hope is lost, they'll resign, as Madara has done.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 15, 2020 at 0:34
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    @CodyGray I wasn't either, I only discovered the Sheriff badge yesterday. But I'm not suggesting folks resign, but there is clearly discord within the "community" about the direction of the site we put our energy into in ~2008 (look at my user id [that's not an appeal to authority btw]). I'd love to know how SE would function if all the elected diamond mods coordinated a strike for a few days. And if SE just shrugged their shoulders then why the hell carry on wasting your time in this Sisyphean grind.
    – Kev
    Commented Jan 15, 2020 at 0:40
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    @Kev, I am pretty sure that the upper management wouldn't care much if everyone strikes and the queue hits 3k flags. (reminds me of this). There are already loads and loads of CM escalations in the back log which aren't even being handled.
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Jan 15, 2020 at 6:43
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    @Kyouma A very black and white summary: Basically SO has been around for "ages", and start as a community by the developers, for the developers, to open knowledge of programming to the word, instead of hidden on page 17 answer 3 of an obscure forum thread you found. But in the last years SO has gone from community, to company, to maximizing shareholder profit. People are fired for questioning stuff, community is ignored, outrage is responded with by lawyer speak, re licensing issues, etc... All your answers are just for making money for SO. They don't care about you or your input. Commented Jan 15, 2020 at 9:15
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    @Tschallacka You do poorly to ignore the other faction dominant in SO's management at the moment: those pushing for initiatives to create what they term "social justice." There is apparently an alliance between these two forces at the moment, but if social justice proves to be unprofitable, I suspect they'll turn on each other rather quickly.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Jan 15, 2020 at 15:05
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    @Tschallacka It's not really a conspiracy theory when all you're saying is that a bunch of people are trying to promote and forward their ideas, irrespective of who they have to run over, and they're openly doing so. But yeah.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Jan 15, 2020 at 15:47
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    Removing the "featured" tag after only two days? Nicely played, SO. Oh, and apparently they still haven't found the time to remove the diamond. Maybe they need to hire a community manager to deal with this stuff.
    – yivi
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 20:22
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    @SamuelLiew - Thanks for re-featuring this.
    – moltarze
    Commented Feb 2, 2020 at 16:44

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Yet again Stack Overflow shoots themselves in the foot and blame someone else for their problems. Thank you for your years of service to the community, and the various chat rooms. It's a shame that the almighty dollar is worth more than the community these days.

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    The real shame is that the company seems to think that making money and having a good relationship with the community are mutually exclusive. They aren't (quite the opposite, in fact), and at this point I really hope their strategy backfires as quickly as possible. Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 20:07
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    @FabiosaysReinstateMonica I don't think that that's what the company really thinks. I think that the company simply doesn't like the current community and want to change them (but using what that community built)
    – Lamak
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 20:15
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    It seems more like the quick buck instead of an invested dollar in the community that keeps coming back and back over time. Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 20:31
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    The almighty dollar might be the motivating factor, but without the community, stack overflow will decline. They may get some short term gains, but at the expense of the future of the platform. It's sad to see this happen to something that we love, but it's a classic story of mis-management, with the wrong people being placed into senior positions. We really need Jeff and Joel back to correct the course of the company. I really hope they're both aware of what's happening, and are thinking of stepping in to save the day. Commented Jan 15, 2020 at 9:36
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    @Lamak Daily reminder that they are illegally using content you submitted before the license change, and you (and everyone else) could probably force them to remove it or change the license back, if you're feeling vindictive. Commented Jan 15, 2020 at 12:56
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    @FabiosaysReinstateMonica I disagree. It's not that they think these are mutually exclusive. It's that they believe that admitting one of their employees did something wrong and making money are mutually exclusive. The wrong act in question was certainly not motivated by monetary concerns, but clearly by a particular moral perspective. SO has decided that doing anything but doubling down and defending their employee's actions is too much of a financial (legal) risk, but that would never have been an issue if they hadn't done something defamatory in the first place.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Jan 15, 2020 at 15:08
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    FWIW I will almost certainly be filing an arbitration suit over relicensing soon. All they had to say in my case was "Whoops, sorry. You're right, 3.0 it is."…yet here we are a few months later having zero advantages for SE, and people like me no longer participating in any meaningful capacity (either posting, answering, or moderating).
    – jhpratt
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 8:31
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    They should at least add a feature, where one can convert their worthless imaginary internet points into token money, which actually pays something ...everything else is exploitation of labor. Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 19:25
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Madara, when you first decided to run for moderator, I was generally opposed; I didn't think you would be the right fit. I was so wrong.

You have been the best moderator that I have interacted with on SO. I could always count on you to make the right decision, even when it came to kicking or muting me. You've done everything you could to hold down the fort. I have been generally impressed with how you deal with pressure, and how you decided to moderate a rowdy group of programmers.

I am saddened that you must step down, but I am gladdened that you have decided to "vote with your feet", as George Stocker has recently said.

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    This one means a lot coming from you. Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 8:42
  • Damn, I thought I was the only one whom he kicked and muted, but then understood his efforts were priceless. He'll he missed so long in SO Commented Feb 6, 2021 at 7:52
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You will be missed Madara, along with all of the other moderators who resigned.

We already had an intense wave of moderator resignations, not only because of the involuntary termination of one moderator leading to the "Reinstate Monica" movement, but two more staff members [yes, official Staff] have been terminated involuntarily. It is a wise decision for you to move on to other activities.

It is especially appalling that Stack Exchange is continuing to ignore the mass exodus of moderators and numerous other users who regularly contribute or even read here. Several contributors completely deleted their profiles, including incredibly old ones with four-digit user IDs. The exodus continued unabated for months and months and Stack Exchange's wordings on their official apologies only add more fuel to the uproar.

Stack Exchange's reputation has plunged significantly; that is not the XP points gained through upvotes and lost through downvotes, but an irreversible destruction of reputation due to Stack Exchange's reprehensible actions and their refusal to take appropriate action to reverse it. It is already too late for Stack Exchange to fully reverse their actions; also Monica already stated that she is officially leaving the site as well.

Being a Stack Overflow diamond moderator doesn't define who you are. Best of luck in your future endeavours in 20⁄20 and beyond!

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    Where can we cast close vote for Stack Exchange ? Commented Jan 15, 2020 at 4:07
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    @Vivek: You have to be a reverse engineer.
    – machine_1
    Commented Jan 15, 2020 at 8:25
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    @VivekMishra The only way to cast that vote is with your time, effort, dollars, and feet.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 5:43
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    The professionalism of this moderator (who I did not know before -- I'm not that involved) is on the point of making me agree with this answer. I'm on the outside of the core, so unlike Madara, I can't see what's actually going on. But it has me worried about a site that I loved for years before I could get upvote privileges. Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 14:33
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I respect your decision here to step down; I wish you the best of luck elsewhere.

I'm still gutted about this whole thing, honestly. It's a shame to have lost you as a moderator and as a supporter of this site.

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OMG I'm gutted.

You've been fantastic, a great mentor as a moderator. You'll be sorely missed. I don't blame you.

When I took a break from moderating a few months ago, the plan was to come back in the new year. I'm not sure what I'd be coming back to. So many of the team gone, Shog gone. It's just heartbreaking. Watching a site so many of us love and have invested so much into lose so many of its core community.

It's devastating, it will get to that point where there will be nothing to come back to. I cannot participate on meta for this reason except to farewell my friends made over the past 8-9 years on the site.

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    What's wrong with the community these days? Oh, I want you as a moderator. :( after this post of equilibrium of votes on your post meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/374617/… Why are so many moderators are resigning these days? Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 13:31
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    Not only are you gutted, the site is too. @HarshitAgrawal why are so many resigning? Links here
    – WBT
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 14:21
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    @HarshitAgrawal that was fun :)
    – user3956566
    Commented Jan 17, 2020 at 21:05
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Madara, I have been your friend for the better part of a decade and I can't express how this makes me feel. You are my favorite moderator, and basically mentor on this site. You guided me when I was struggling, you played video games with me from across the freaking world.

Thankfully, I have ways to still talk to you but this is a big loss for SO, the JS chat, and JS in general. May the strangers find your knowledge and continue to give you canonicals that I know you love.

Love, Sterling.

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Another horrible news on this Tuesday. I hate it but I definitely understand you. Thank you for all the talks in chat, for everything you taught me both in general programming principles as well as JavaScript and TypeScript. Thank you for the several times you have been in chat to help out moderating and the great time in general.

Hearing you won't be around in chat is very sad news but I can understand that too.

Again: Thank you for all you've done and take care!

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We will miss you 😥


As others have said, you have done a great job moderating!

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Nice job Madara. You will be missed.

To Stack Overflow owners: You don't want to end up like Experts-Exchange. Think again.

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    (and not just with respect to hyphen-less domain name choices!)
    – WBT
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 14:22
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    @WBT In 20 years, when "Stackover" becomes urban slang for "diarrhea", they'll regret naming themselves Stackover Flow. Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 15:02
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    @user253751 now that would be an interesting way for the community to respond to and somewhat accurately label what the company's doing here. If widely adopted, it could be more effective than the username changes, especially following the company name change.
    – WBT
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 15:19
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    They will end up as ExpertSexChange. Commented Jan 17, 2020 at 20:13
  • I think they officially unhyphenated themselves (but for us it will always be the hyphenated site). Commented Feb 1, 2020 at 12:10
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Sad to see you leave. What struck me most about you is that you were always objective about your opinions. There is always a pro and con to every situation, and nothing is black and white. You've helped me see that there's always an alternative view to everything and, right or wrong, it should not be overlooked.

Sorry if my post and the others sounds like a eulogy, but for me it is in a way. I was / am happy to call you friend.

Hope you don't completely lose contact and that you'll pass by every now and again. Regardless, no doubt your future is bright, and I'm sure you'll go on to do great things.

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It's really hard to see one of the mods that I have interacted with so much, in chat, in late night Overwatch plays, and more than that, a fellow weeb, leave the site.

Thank you for being such an awesome mod and I wish you luck for your future endeavors!

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It is very sad to see yet another moderator quit. I hope management reconsiders its harsh stance and comes to its senses.

We have lost a lot of moderators over the past few months. I think that the management is interested in gaining new users rather than retaining valuable members of this community.

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Our roads never crossed, but I had known you to be very inspiring. It is sad to see you stepping down. You would be missed for sure.

Thank you for all the dedicated efforts in building and maintaining Stack Overflow/Meta.

All the best for your future endeavors.

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Thank you Madara, we haven't interacted a lot, but you were an inspiration non the less.

It saddens me to see you go, but I wish you all the best in the future ahead of you.

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It is a sad thing to see you resigning as a moderator. Although, I understand and agree with the reasons, it is sad to see the once great Stack Overflow sliding down hill. At this point, perhaps plummeting down a cliff is a better analogy. :(

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You've been such a calm and stabilizing presence in the Java room. It's a shame to see you go, but I support your reasons for doing so. I will miss you! :(

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Thank you for all that you brought to the community Madara, probably, more than once I was saved by one of your valuable contributions in JavaScript and the beginning in PHP.

I wish you success in this next stage in your career. Maybe one day, we will cross our paths again. It's sad to see you go since you were an excellent moderator and can be seen in your work, but some paths always come to an end and I respect your decision.

Hopefully, some members from the Board of Stack Exchange would see how their actions are affecting all of us.

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I don't think I need to add a new answer. I think everyone else has pretty much covered it, but with the enormous wave of resignations (and terminations) lately, this one hits closest to home.

For anyone unfamiliar with him, Madara is known for being the picture of an ideal moderator: unfailingly level-headed, fair, and foresighted when the rest of us were not.

Your presence will be missed. Thank you for your service.

And now his watch is ended.

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Once upon a time I began to answer questions on StackOverflow and was happy before I started to figure out why the names of some users prefixed with "Monica". After I have discovered the situation I don't even know what to think...

I wish you good luck and be happy.

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We'll will surely miss you a lot!

Whatever you do next, wish you the best luck for that!

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It's always sad to see a moderator that has worked in Stack Overflow for a very long time resign. We will always remember you Madara, and how you made Stack Overflow a better place. From those great answers on JavaScript and PHP to literally filtering Stack Overflow, you will not be forgotten in a very long time. People will be inspired from a moderator like you.

Hope your future is bright and sunny!

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When we hear some one of our circle is going away, makes us very unhappy. Yet, it's their life so we should accept.

Madara you will always be missed. I wish you all the best for your coming future.

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You'll be missed along with the other moderators that have been fired/resigned.

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Wish you all the best! We will definitely miss you. Thank you for your contributions.

PS. I hope you will return someday (ahem rinne tensei ahem) if/when the conditions improve (hopefully!).

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the two turning points being the absolute lack of resolution with Monica, and the recent firing of two of our most valued members

Sorry, I don't understand. You're not a paid employee at Stack Overflow; you're a volunteer. Do you really think the site management will care?

The site has proven successful in sharing programming knowledge, and that's what it was designed for. It's not a place for you to share your passion with "Monica", or interfere with the company's internal policy.

So firing two senior community managers is not your business. Neither is good in sharing programming knowledge anyway. I don't see any difference whether they're here with us or not.

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    How is Madara "interfering" with anything? And I'm pretty sure this is more related to Shog's and Robert's dismissals than with the Monica Cellio's fiasco. The message is for the community, not for "management". And as you can see, the community does care.
    – yivi
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 21:05
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    See comments here and here for an explanation of why your view is myopic. There are a lot of behind-the-scenes elements that go into making this site work. Moderators and staff members are critical to ensuring that the process of asking and answering questions goes smoothly. It may well be true that management doesn’t care about a moderator’s resignation, but the community does, and performative protest is not the only point of this announcement anyway
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 21:17
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    This will be the second or third time that I've seen comments like this posted to the metas in the last couple of days. Frankly, I'm baffled. Stack Overflow is more than just a place where people share programming knowledge; it is a community. For that community to work, it relies on an army of volunteers that do crucially important work that extends beyond merely contributing questions and answers. Stack Exchange has demonstrated on a number of occasions that it is hostile to that effort, despite it being one of the company's founding principles. Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 21:19
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    @CodyGray Thanks, but sorry all mods including yourself work for SO for no money. Volunteer is a volunteer, you never had any real obligation here. Let's not be emotional. You are burning your own time for no return, not covered by employment laws etc. You're not part of SO. SO is a company, that doesn't include you.
    – SmallChess
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 21:20
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    We don't have any real obligations to be good citizens in any context, but most of us try not to be assholes all the time anyway. Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 21:21
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    That’s precisely why emotion is involved. You don’t freely give years of your life unless you care a lot. Besides that, no one is talking about “obligation” or compensation. We’re thanking and reflecting on Madara’s years of service as he decides to step down as moderator.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 21:21
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    So you believe you need to get emotional when there is money involved, but if it's work you volunteer to help a community, you shouldn't? I'm confused about your outlook.
    – yivi
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 21:23
  • @yivi We're here to share programming knowledge, this is a programming site. Mods are nothing more than a cheap free labor, money => respect. No money => no respect. Now, someone is giving up on it and you guys are crazy on it??
    – SmallChess
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 21:24
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    Well, you're right about that. If Stack Exchange really wants the kind of power and control that they seem to want to have over the volunteers, they should just hire people to do it. While they're at it, they should probably hire some subject matter experts as well, so that questions will continue to get answered when all of the volunteers leave. Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 21:25
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    So you don’t respect me, or Madara, because we don’t get paid? That’s a unique view. I tend to respect and admire unpaid volunteers even more. But okay; I respect your point of view. Even though I didn’t pay you for it.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 21:31
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    Sorry, I'm having trouble understanding why you posted this. Are you suggesting we shouldn't have volunteer moderators? If so, couldn't you have just said that?
    – user201891
    Commented Feb 3, 2020 at 23:03
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I don't think most of you understand what Stack Overflow is about, at least from 99.(9)% of the users (real users) perspective.

First, I'll tell you what it's not about:

  • ideals
  • communities
  • social justice wars
  • e-friendships
  • any kind of confusion that is prevalent in the world today
  • Monica
  • (insert anything else unrelated to programming here)

Stack Overflow is actually about:

  • programming questions
  • programming answers
  • knowledge sharing
  • professionalism

Leave all your other agendas outside, and your self-righteousness, virtue signaling sageness and just focus on code. That's all! Real easy IMO.

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    I don't really know who/what are you ranting against, but I can tell you with certainty that SO wouldn't be the place it was if not for a sense of community.
    – Lamak
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 20:49
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    Well, let me introduce you to 50+ communities that don't focus entirely on code Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 20:52
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    No, it's "running its show" on meta StackOverflow. If you don't care about meta, why are you ranting here? Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 20:55
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    Intrigued about the point of this. Why don’t you focus on code; if this bothers you so much?
    – yivi
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 21:01
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    You’re right. That’s what this site is about: high-quality, professional answers to programming questions. Madara, for your information, had his eyes squarely focused on that ball, as does the rest of the community-elected moderator team. Unfortunately, it has reached a point for many of us where there is so much other nonsense going on that we simply cannot pursue this shared goal anymore of a high-quality Q&A site. This is not our fault, and events like this are merely a reaction to circumstances over which we have no control.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 21:02
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    @CodeAngry a large part of what people are upset about is that SO is no longer just about code. SE ha virtue-signalled its way into a really strange place, where they no longer care about correctness, and are much more concerned with community, and people, but then they mismanage the community into the ground in order to get more profit. It's a cesspool of corruption.
    – ndugger
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 21:08
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    @CodeAngry I don't know who you mean by "you folks". I promise you that it was SE that has politicized its own ecosystem. You seemingly have not been paying attention.
    – ndugger
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 21:17
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    Yeah, clearly, a large chunk of the moderation team, 2 CMs that have been here since the beginning, and a large percentage of the site's most active contributors aren't the "real users" and don't understand what SO/SE is about.
    – reirab
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 21:20
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    CodeAngry, what you need to understand is that there’s a lot of hard work that goes on behind the scenes to ensure that users like you can do what you do: ask questions and give/get answers with a minimum of fuss. I totally agree that doing that is the goal, indeed the purpose of this site. But it doesn’t happen by accident. And it doesn’t happen the way it does here on any other site on the Internet. That should tell you a lot. Shog9, Robert, and the community moderators here were absolutely essential to making this place what it is. The fact you don’t have to care is testament to them.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 21:52
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    Do you really think Stack Overflow would have been able to resemble anything like a place to share knowledge without moderators and a community working together to set guidelines? You'd benefit from reading the recent history to see how much damage and dictatorship has been rained down like a shower of sh.. and were all supposed to take it and answer the same low quality crap that fills their coffers.
    – Sayse
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 21:55
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    that's really a cold answer shivers Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 22:04
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    @Modus Tollens People who say "leave politics out of this" usually mean they want everyone else's politics out, leaving only their own. Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 23:15
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    This just come across as a huge lack of big picture understanding. A lot more than coding is required to successfully run a website as large as the StackExchange network that's just facts.
    – Amicable
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 23:19
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    It wasn't about "social justice wars" until the leadership of SO recently decided it was -- to the detriment of everyone but themselves.
    – Stephen R
    Commented Jan 15, 2020 at 16:30
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    For the record, my "e-friendship" with this resigned-moderator enabled me to get jobs I may not have been qualified for, without his patience and incredible teaching skills. This in turn led me to be able to answer harder questions, and help the community more. Without a community, mentoring each other, we wouldn't make it. Commented Jan 15, 2020 at 17:19

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