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I read through most of this thread but found no answers.

What is this?

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Here are my best theories at the moment:

  • A friendly hand waving and saying hi?
  • A halting hand, warning old timers to be nice?
  • A round of applause to encourage newcomers?

Is this icon open to interpretation or is there some final word on what exactly that hand is doing?

Update: I am now aware of the icon title "iconWave" - however, for me this really doesn't give me the full insight I am looking for. Icons frequently have names that don't quite reflect their intended use. Also, if it is in fact a wave, who is it waving at? Is it waving at the OP in a friendly way? Or is it waving at answerers to call attention to things?

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    <svg aria-hidden="true" class="svg-icon iconWave"iconWave
    – Pang
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 3:47
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    It's a threatening hand, reaching out of the screen to grab you and drag you down to the depths of /dev/null from which it originated.
    – Davy M
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 3:52
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    Not waving, but drowning. Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 12:51
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    Snipes and attacks at the site's new policies really doesn't help to solve any issues. If questioner, answerers and commenters have something constructive to to add to actually help define or solve perceived problems, by all means do so, without the layers of sarcasm and mockery that doesn't help and just reeks of "wow the site sucks"
    – user3956566
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 12:58
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    While I somewhat agree with your point, the new user indicator having never been discussed, as far as I was aware, before being forced on the site, along with the not so subtle implication that new users should be treated with favoritism, makes for very good motivation to be snarky... Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 13:09
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    @FélixGagnon-Grenier I have no issue with people not wanting it or liking it. But we've been through this upheaval of complaints since the welcoming blog. Instead of lamenting can we offer up something to the SE heads that can be actionable? It's getting old.
    – user3956566
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 13:12
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    Real wow moment here. This was a genuine and sincere question. Part of my job involves icon design and I saw the new icon for the first time last night and was scratching my head wondering what the image was meant to convey. Can either of the close-voters please make a suggestion for how I can edit my question? Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 13:19
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    Honestly though, is it that hard to tell? I'm not a professional icon designer or something but it feels obvious that it is, in fact, a waving hand. Maybe that's just me though..
    – Jesse
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 13:23
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    @YvetteColomb - Maybe I'm an odd-ball but honestly, the round of applause was my first thought when I saw it. I thought it might be trying to encourage the new poster with some positive re-enforcement. I don't see why that's bad. Thank you for responding and despite the fact that you answered my call for criticism, I don't want to edit that part out because it reflects what I really thought and would feel a bit weird to remove it. Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 13:31
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    Yes I am willing to edit the question. But there is no snark. Please stop accusing me of that. Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 13:32
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    The universal meanings of an open palm held out facing another person are: "Stop", "Stay back", "I've had enough". I interpret it as a warning to stay away from posts written by beginners. Since new users are more likely to write crap questions and post homework dumps.
    – Lundin
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 13:57
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    The amount of hate being directed at my "round of applause" theory is a bit weird. I really didn't mean anything bad by it. The little pixels on either side of the hand look like movement to me. A round of applause was my first thought and seems reasonable. Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 14:03
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    The main problem is that the icon is vague. If we agree it's a waving hand, that's still very much culturally localized. See Wikipedia: a hand wave in Greece is an insulting gesture... I'd rather see the icon removed altogether. Iconography is hard, especially if you're not using signs or items.
    – Erik A
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 14:27
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    @billynoah after reading the comments and straining hard. I can actually see how you may have thought it was applause. I honestly couldn't see it and took it for sarcasm. I apologise for maligning you. Yes assuming good faith has been mentioned. A good thing for me work at.
    – user3956566
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 15:23
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    I'm pretty sure it's Stack Overflow threateningly raising its hand to remind us that disobedience will not be tolerated. Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 20:17

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This seems to be pretty universally accepted among mainstream icon designers to represent a waving hand. See the emojipedia entry for 👋 U+1F44B "Waving Hand Sign".

This image is essentially an all-black version of any of the renderings for U+1F44B:

screen capture from emojipedia showing platform renderings of 👋 U+1F44B "Waving Hand Sign"



Addendum:

Facebook uses this icon to mark newcomers to a group. So Stack Overflow is not the only site using this icon in this way.

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    Lol - "This emoji can be used to convey a sense of not being friends any more". Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 17:16
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    Clearly it's telling long time contributors that Stack Overflow is not friends with them anymore, 'cause the new people are replacing them. 😉 Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 17:22
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    Jokes aside, I'm pretty sure we have a significant Chinese user base and I can't help but wonder if this is being received in that context by some of them. 👋 Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 17:25
  • On my browser, with my fonts, I need to zoom way in before that emoji looks like anything other than a hand holding an old-school telephone. Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 20:53
  • The HTC one appears to be just a hand, I see no movement lines Commented Aug 24, 2018 at 8:18
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    Yeah, it may be the universal symbol for waving a hand, but the trouble is that waving a hand has no universal meaning. This seems to be another assumed-global Westernism with no thought gone into the wider user base. :( Commented Aug 24, 2018 at 11:18
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    I'm quite confused about the meaning of gesture "waving hand". In Russia "waving hand" usually means "goodbye". Commented Aug 24, 2018 at 15:37
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I interpret it as a waving hand. If you check the HTML, you can figure out that the <svg> element has iconWave as class name. That confirms my interpretation.

Personal opinion:

I have seen the meta post and, to be honest, it is just so silly. It (that indicator) just does not add value IMHO. The code of conduct should apply to everyone, even if they are new to the site. If you are curious if a user is new (having a reputation below 100 is a nice indication), just check their profile, geez. Better yet: why should I treat new users differently? I have said it before and am willing to repeat it again:

the code of conduct should apply to everyone.

I am experiencing that indicator as noise. Experiencing lots of noise can make a person grumpy.

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    Nitpick: experienced users who are suspended also have 1 rep. IMO a better indicator is: a low rep level combined with only a few bronze badges. Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 7:43
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    @S.L.Barth suspended users have few chance to ask a question so... I fail to see how this would be applicable.
    – Tensibai
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 13:23
  • @Tensibai It would apply to the posts they already had posted before they got suspended. But, I admit it's nit-picking on my part. Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 13:25
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    I think the indicator has to do with their contributions to a particular site. For example I saw a meta post today with the 'New contributor' flag and the user has 1500+ rep on SO and has had their account for over 5 years. That was their first meta post, though.
    – Clint
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 14:39
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    I can totally accept if people are rude to me because I was stupid or lazy. It's less nice if I just was lost as a noob. I assume it's similar with most people. So no, the code of conduct (which is just so much fluff anyway, insofar as it extends self-understood nonpathological behavior) does not apply to all people equally. Noobs deserve more leniency. P.S. Experiencing lots of code of conduct can make a person feel they are in a padded cell. Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 13:44
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    Why you should treat new users differently? Because they are not as experienced in the rules and cultural expectations in the new community. This is not unique to SO, it applies to most groups in life.
    – Alex
    Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 14:19
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    @PeterA.Schneider - what if you are lost as a noob because you are stupid or lazy? ;D Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 15:37
  • SE has a lot of rules and they're not necessarily clear from a brief statement. An experienced user can be expected to understand what kinds of improvement someone thought their post needed when receiving close votes, and experienced users probably (hopefully) feel welcome as contributors by default. New users might need a bit of help understanding the nuances of the rules, and being more explicit that we welcome them learning the rules and becoming a better contributor encourages them to actually do that. It's not about not holding newbies to the CoC, it's about helping them abide by it.
    – Ben
    Commented Aug 24, 2018 at 7:38
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    @Alex No, we shouldn't treat them differently because if we do, they won't break their bad habits. A founding core principle of SO was that it's the content that matters, not the person who posted it. A bad post from a 20k user should be treated the same as a bad post by a 1 rep user: pointing out problems, downvotes, flags, closure, and deletion. The same is true for a good post: upvotes and interesting addendums. And we certainly shouldn't treat experienced users worse than new ones.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Aug 24, 2018 at 16:37
  • @jpmc26 You can enforce the same rules but still adjust your communication appropriately to fit the different levels of experience of this kind of community. We don't have to be autistic just because we are programmers.
    – Alex
    Commented Aug 26, 2018 at 13:14
  • @Alex No, you should be just as clear and professional whether you're talking to a 20k user or a one day old user. There is nothing special about a new user that requires any different treatment, tone, or actions. Your comment reads as suggesting that we be nicer to new users than to experienced ones, since that is really the only way to vary your communication if you're excluding the content of your responses. If so, that's ridiculous.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Aug 26, 2018 at 17:15
  • @jpmc26 There is. The special thing about new users is that they are not accustomed to the culture and the practical application of the rules, thus motivates a more forgiving and helpful attitude in order to get them on track while not scaring them away. We can put different expectations on established users.
    – Alex
    Commented Aug 26, 2018 at 19:37
  • @Alex How would you communicate our customs and cultures in a way differently from how you would communicate them to a 20k user who is not following them? You wouldn't. A person is either following them or not following them. Their newness does not matter. Unless you're saying we should be less helpful and forgiving to experienced users, which is ridiculous. Stop thinking of people in terms of classes. Look at them individually and do the best you can in each situation.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Aug 26, 2018 at 19:49
  • @jpmc26 Of course we can put different expectations on experienced users and hold them to a higher standard. This is like fundamental group dynamics, have you ever joined any community in real life as a beginner and been expected to instantly understand and adhere to all explicit and implicit rules of that community on the same level as a senior? We need new users, so it's rational to be extra helpful and supportive when they begin here. It's not rational to invest in the same support to established users that can be expected to know how SE/SO works.
    – Alex
    Commented Aug 27, 2018 at 11:36
  • @jpmc26 "Stop thinking of people in terms of classes. Look at them individually and do the best you can in each situation." - Appropriate generalisations and abstractions is how we understand and deal with everything in life. You can not work with a system of people effectively without using appropriate generalizations.
    – Alex
    Commented Aug 27, 2018 at 11:39
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Personally, I saw this as a two-handed hand:

  • The welcoming hand of the Welcome Wagon
  • A polite waving for attention to the message about the "Be Nice" reinforcement.

From what I see from the latest changes, the SE network is attempting to:

  • Be more welcoming to new users
  • Make a stab of making the website look a bit more modern

I expect to see more of the same kind of thing popping up, at which point I shall:

  • Accept that things change
  • Assume good intent
  • Move on with my life

Edit: Yay, I am wearing the Black Hand of Welcoming!

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    Thank you for offering a sensible answer and of note is the welcome and waving hand accompanying your avatar here.
    – user3956566
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 13:45
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    W̼̝͇͞e͈̣͙̹ ̸̱̥̬͎̘͎̻k̵̻̱̜̳n̻̲͚̰͎̹̳o̲̞̜̬̟̞͞ẉ̨̩.
    – E_net4
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 17:11
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    "Be more welcoming to new users" this is my problem with this answer. While the SE network may be attempting that, frankly, I don't think it's appropriate. It should either be "Be more welcoming to all users" or not even be mentioned. (This isn't a jab at you personally rather the common consensus that we should be nicer to new users) Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 14:07
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    Profile: "Member for 1 year, 11 months". Uhm. ok.
    – totymedli
    Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 15:40
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    @totymedli Now that just sounds more sarcastic. FYI Indicator shows for 1 week after 1st post.
    – Miriam
    Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 16:02
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    @ArtemisFowl He asked a question on the main site in 2016, he has 50k at The Workplace where he is a moderator, 12k at Worldbuilding and the member of 27 communities...
    – totymedli
    Commented Aug 24, 2018 at 13:06
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    And of course, no matter how involved I am in other communities, I am as nothing on StackOverflow. I know this, it's the way of the world and I accept that. However, it does raise the point where this "new contributor noob" message appears, despite being an established user on other sites in the network.
    – user6892953
    Commented Aug 24, 2018 at 13:12
  • @totymedli According to the MSE post announcing this, 'the association bonus won't influence the behavior. While you might not be new to our engine, everyone is new when they first join a new community, so the indicator is shown.'
    – Miriam
    Commented Aug 24, 2018 at 16:33
  • @Snow You have 22 rep on SO (plus assoc. bonus), it is just that you have nothing on MSO.
    – Miriam
    Commented Aug 24, 2018 at 16:36
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ICONS: Incomprehensible Confusing Obfuscated Nonsense Symbols

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The hand reminds me predominantly of the ISO 3864-2 product safety label "Authorized personnel only" commonly used in mechanical engineering.

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  • In the meantime, I noticed the identical comment by @TobySpeight on this similar answer to the main thread.
    – jpeg
    Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 5:32
  • And just now the comment by @Lundin on the present question as well.
    – jpeg
    Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 5:44
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To me it just looks like a "hey, pay attention" icon. The combination of the icon and text draws more attention than only the text would.

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    It would have been an exclamation mark then, not a hand.
    – Lundin
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 13:58
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    @Lundin Yeah, but those are warning signs. ⚠ SE doesn't want these hands to be warning signs. "Be nice, or else..." That is not the message.
    – Mr Lister
    Commented Aug 22, 2018 at 16:34
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I always get alerted when I see that icon 'cause it reminds me of some signs you can find in my country like:

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It makes me feel under some kind of risk, and it always makes me read the words to be sure of not doing anything wrong or risking something like a suspension of my account.

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  • I don't think that answers the question, what the icon is supposed to mean. I think this answer would be more suitable here on MSE, where they ask for feedback on the new feature. Commented Aug 24, 2018 at 11:21
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In sign language, waving both hands in the air means applauding. That could totally be what's intended here, since the medium does not transmit sound.

It's also a widely shared (at least where I'm from) way to applaud without disturbing speech in meetings between hundreds of people.

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    You really think that's what the icon is supposed to mean? I'm familiar with sign language, but that's about the least likely explanation I'd have come up with.
    – jhpratt
    Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 3:17
  • @jhpratt I don't know, and I don't really care. People were getting all worked up over OP's round of applause idea, whereas it's really not that far fetched of an idea. It's possibly really not that it is supposed to mean, but the hypothesis is acceptable. Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 3:23
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    Or, more clearly, I don't have great confidence that it is what's intended, but the likeliness is high enough that round of applause really can't be evaluated as snark or bad faith. Commented Aug 23, 2018 at 3:30
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    If that were the intention, they would have gone for 👏 Commented Aug 24, 2018 at 9:24

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