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I have to ask for a strange review suspension once again: this time, it is indicated that I reviewed https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/20430133 incorrectly. I don't see what in there could be wrong, as another reviewer also rejected that edit and currently, I cannot even see what that edit was all about, as the edit comment is very unclear and the diff view shows only identical lines and even no edited tags.

As there were questions about whether I properly checked for which review I was suspended:

You reviewed https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/20430133 incorrectly.
Please pay more attention to each review in the future.

Come back in 2 days to continue reviewing.

Just in my last question about this, I don't want to get unsuspended through whining, but I'd like to see what exactly went wrong in that review to learn from it.

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    both source are exactly the same : stackoverflow.com/revisions/… | stackoverflow.com/revisions/… Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 14:50
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    It says something about sensitive naming. Maybe it was redacted for protection of privacy or similar?
    – user000001
    Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 14:51
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    Since that post isn't an audit, I guess this was a manual suspension enacted by a mod?
    – yivi
    Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 14:55
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    It does look like the post history was manipulated. That and being suspended by a non-audit review seem to clearly indicate a mod was involved. If this is the case, only a diamond moderator can tell us the rest of the details.
    – yivi
    Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 15:36
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    The same user made an edit on another post with the exact same edit summary as the version of the edit on this post that got approved by a mod: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/20427863 You can see the diff in this version but it's not clear to me why the change was important.
    – BSMP
    Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 15:52
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    The OP accidentally exposed his company name and tried to correct it. Multiple times, a mod got involved. You were not lucky with the mod, it is not a moderate one. I'd assume that history was changed, but imperfectly, the company name is still visible in the question edit history. Mistakes compounding mistakes. Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 16:23
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    OK, just realized the OP of both questions and the editor are the same user. Now this makes sense. This could have been avoided with a good edit summary that actually explained that the OP didn't want their company name referenced in the code.
    – BSMP
    Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 16:41
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    And after all, I was suspended from review for which reason?
    – Nico Haase
    Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 16:47
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    Because you prevented sensitive information from being removed @NicoHaase. In hindsight, the edit message was clear, yet you did decide to prevent it. As for your claim "as far as I remember that edit, it contained editing it from SampleApplication to that sensitive name, and that's why I rejected it." it's been disproven by a community manager. Paying attention to these kind of details is important. (It also makes no sense, how would you have known what sensitive means for OP?) Commented Jul 30, 2018 at 19:27
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    Editing a question does not remove the company name. It just buries the company name in the revision history. The only way to get redact is to flag, in which case the end result is exactly the same regardless of whether the edit was accepted or rejected. We are encouraged to reject edits that don't significantly improve a question, so in my opinion NicoHaase was correct to reject.
    – Rainbolt
    Commented Jul 31, 2018 at 13:28
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    @Rainbolt the correct course of action is the edit it out and flag for a moderator as described here meta.stackexchange.com/a/132119/381239 editing it out does bury it, which is the aim because it reduces the chances of new people seeing it before a moderator can redact it Commented Jul 31, 2018 at 13:39
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    @Rainbolt "We are encouraged to reject edits that don't significantly improve a question" [citation needed]!
    – Braiam
    Commented Aug 1, 2018 at 13:19
  • @Braiam I was wrong. I learned that the rejection reason I had in mind was removed some time ago, and replaced with a new one.
    – Rainbolt
    Commented Aug 1, 2018 at 21:34
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    @Rainbolt no, it wasn't replaced. "This is not a replacement for "too minor", but it does replace one of the things folks were using it for: edits that don't make any positive changes to the post."
    – Braiam
    Commented Aug 1, 2018 at 23:23
  • @Braiam I respect your and shog9's opinion, but to me it looks like a replacement.
    – Rainbolt
    Commented Aug 2, 2018 at 2:23

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Note the review history is now altered, as the post was redacted, so we cannot see the original review. It essentially replaced:

"sensitive Name" -> "sampleApplication"

The question had been edited prior to the review and the editor put in the review comment:

Removing reference to sensitive naming

To me this is clear that they're renaming the classes to be generic and not expose sensitive information.

The editor had attempted to edit the post*, twice and both times it was rejected. The user got a resulting suggested edit ban and needed to raise a mod flag to have get the edit. This was helpful, as the user didn't understand redaction.

However, on the review side of things, I review banned all of you who rejected it (that didn't automatically incur a ban) so you'd pay attention to the suggested edits. That was all. If I hadn't banned you, you wouldn't have noticed. Don't consider it a punishment, but more a tap on the shoulder to say "hey can you please pay more attention".

*Note that edit rejection was reversed, which caused an automatic ban of at least one of those reviewers.

p.s. I'll unban you as clearly, you're listening. Thanks.

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    Also: Wouldn't it be more useful to issue a warning by sending said users a mod message, instead of inflicting a punishment?
    – Blue
    Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 17:06
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    @FrankerZ yes it would be, but believe it or not a mod warning is more serious than a review ban. (I didn't create the system). There's no other way, other than leaving a comment under one of the user's posts or dragging them into a chatroom. The ban is as effective as anything. Those who want to improve, ask why.
    – user3956566
    Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 17:11
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    Well, then I don't get it: as far as I remember the edit I should review, it was to replace SampleApplication with something unreadable. And that's why I rejected that edit. So, even if I clearly get the point of "tapping on the shoulder for being more attentive", I don't get how those rejecting a strange edit need that?
    – Nico Haase
    Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 17:13
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    @YvetteColomb And what happens if the users don't review for 2 days. They wont see anything, right? Perhaps it's time to post a feedback for simple messages to send to users, without issuing actual warnings.
    – Blue
    Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 17:13
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    I'd rather be dragged in a chatroom. Not because of the message I'll get there, I like the dragging ...
    – rene
    Commented Jul 29, 2018 at 17:15
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    ....still, as far as I remember that edit, it contained editing it from SampleApplication to that sensitive name, and that's why I rejected it. How can everybody else be so sure about what I have seen on my screen?
    – Nico Haase
    Commented Jul 30, 2018 at 9:28
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    @NicoHaase I verified with a community manager and what I said I saw is correct and you are misremembering it. As for all the carry on and downvotes, you've had 9 review bans, so people can hardly call me out for handing one out. Next time I won't be lifting it in a hurry, as it's clear you haven't learnt a thing, you're still arguing about it
    – user3956566
    Commented Jul 30, 2018 at 15:09
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    @user202729 an official mod warning is a private message from the moderators to the user. They're taken seriously, by us anyway. It stays on the record and may count at some point to the user being suspended.
    – user3956566
    Commented Jul 30, 2018 at 15:28
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    Given that the community (somehow?) disagree with this and agree with the comment, someone should probably make a feature-request for "soft moderator warning".
    – user202729
    Commented Jul 30, 2018 at 15:32
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    I don't understand all the pushback here. OP did a bad review, was banned, I'm happy that at least some people are trying to get reviewers to become better... Commented Jul 30, 2018 at 19:21
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    @user202729 It's hard to tell if the community really disagrees, it's mostly "votes in the dark". As far as new development happens (op being banned 9 times already (nine. they have the right to review since like, three months), the content not being what they said) we have all indication that Yvette acted correctly. Meta might have taken the habit of dvting Yvette, let's try and stop that. Commented Jul 30, 2018 at 19:23
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    Don't want to be picky, but out of these nine prior bans (which, in most cases, were not questioned), the last one was discussed here as being an edge case that was not intentionally done "wrong" by me and the one before was "iffy" according to Jon Clements. So, after all, I accept being warned, but I think that the concept should rather be based on "I tell you what was wrong, please learn from it" than "Don't argue with a mod, or I will not help you next time"
    – Nico Haase
    Commented Jul 30, 2018 at 20:30
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    @NicoHaase There is a difference between "don't argue with a mod" and "open your ears". We have all latitude to discuss, challenge and ask about decisions. I mean heck, look at all the attention this question got, all the amount of comments! This is nothing close to "don't argue with a mod", don't play the victim card here. Commented Jul 30, 2018 at 20:33
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    And even there @Nico, let's say only 7 of these bans were warranted, it still means that seven times you did not learn from it. At some point the "please" must stop and a user must feel a real effect. I'd actually say that after 7 times, there are no "please" that are necessary. Commented Jul 30, 2018 at 20:37
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    +1 for an accurate and honest accounting of the event. Though I'm not normally a fan of bolding, you might bold the first sentence "Note the review history is now altered, as the post was redacted, so we cannot see the original review" to make it crystal clear for dullards like me that you won't be able to see the sensitive name in the history. (I checked twice before finally realizing it was redacted).
    – SOS
    Commented Jul 30, 2018 at 21:06

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