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NOTE: this question was briefly, wrongly, closed as duplicate of another. This question is about whether asking where to report a bug for a platform is on-topic. The duplicate was about whether a question that is asking whether some behaviour is a bug is on-topic.

A while ago I asked Where do you file bugs for Android/iOS Google Products or Services (AppInvites, Maps, etc…)? on Stack Overflow, and it was closed as off-topic: not about programming. I've read the help page and I think my question is on topic.

Specifically, my question is about Google Play Services, which falls into the "software tools commonly used by programmers" definition, and it was asking how to report a bug found in that library, which I think matches "a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development".

I personally consider bug reporting part of programming. It's not only a good practice, it's often necessary. Specially when the bug is causing you some big issue and you can't do much about it other then ask the library owner to fix it.

I can see this is borderline case. I would like to know what the community thinks about it.

Finally, if it is off-topic on Stack Overflow is there another Stack Exchange community where it would be on-topic? If so, is there a way to migrate my question there?

EDIT: Asking for a link is off topic in Stack Overflow. But is this the right way to judge it?

I mean, the link changed, project forked, weird stuff making it hard to track the "right" URL. Isn't that something more then just asking to act as a proxy for a google search?

I spent hours trying to figure out what's was going on before resulting to write on SO, finding out from other users that's wasn't actually an easy task nor someone had a solution.

It require that same thing you need when you have a problem with programming: someone with experience that followed the project closely. My point here is that probably we are using the wrong method to define what's off topic and what's not.

I think the way we should decide if something is in-topic or off-topic is "is it a straight forward reply? Only a google search away or does it require someone with experience to reply this question?".

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  • @halfer first link in your comment is broken. The second post suggest that I should ask "how" to fix something I already know its a bug in the hope that someone will tell me where to report it. It's fine when you do not know its a bug, but when you know it's just a waste of everyone resource. Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 11:03
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    Related: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/255745/…
    – Mat
    Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 11:04
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    Apologies, new link here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/251838/… and also meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/284708/… (deleted other comment).
    – halfer
    Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 11:04
  • thanks @Mat contacting stack overflow to say the company (Google) didn't left clear indication on how to report bugs on their products is actually a great idea. Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 11:07
  • @halfer first like very interesting too, it's exactly the same situation i'm talking about with the difference that I didn't reported the bug on stack overflow, I asked where to report it :) Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 11:14
  • That's only a good idea if google's support pages redirect to SO for support. If they don't, SO has nothing to do with it.
    – Mat
    Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 11:16
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    It's a resource request - those are unanimously off topic even when it's about programming. Not that being able to ask such things wouldn't be nice - but there are too many problems associated with them
    – Pekka
    Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 11:49
  • @Pekka웃 I would probably agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that Google a while ago closed their products forums, where people reported bugs, saying to use StackOverflow. Bug reporting on stack overflow is off-topic, I know that. But they said it anyway and we, developers, now have NO place to report bugs on Google products. Isn't this situation in itself enough to make of this an exception? Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 11:53
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    @DanieleSegato ...no? Why should SO let Google off the hook?
    – jonrsharpe
    Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 11:55
  • @jonrsharpe it's not about Google, it's about the situation Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 12:02
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    I sympathize, but.... Isn't this situation in itself enough to make of this an exception? - not really, IMO. It's Google's problem to fix, not ours.
    – Pekka
    Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 12:04
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    @gnat what? No! This question is about whether asking where to report a bug for a platform is on-topic. The question you've linked is about whether a question that is asking whether some behaviour is a bug is on-topic. There is literally zero overlap whatsoever between the two questions.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 15:48
  • @gnat uh, that's pretty contestable too; given that for most projects there is (at least at any given moment in time) exactly one objectively correct place to report bugs, there's at least a case to be made that asking where to report bugs is different to other off-site resource questions. I'd let this question stand and allow the discussion to run its course.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 16:10
  • I don't have much to provide, but I think this is a much bigger problem and I'm curious what you guys think. Check the help.. and then see here...
    – Cayce K
    Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 16:20
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    @DanieleSegato: I think ultimately you may have to concede defeat on this one. Google has made it harder for Google developers to report bugs, and would like volunteers here to pick up the slack. Stack Overflow's community has replied by saying that it is not impressed. The ball is in Google's court, I think, and we'd be unfairly letting them off the hook if we felt that they warranted an exception.
    – halfer
    Commented Feb 17, 2016 at 23:17

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it was closed as off-topic: not about programming.

No, it was closed because:

This question does not appear to be about programming within the scope defined in the help center:

  • a specific programming problem, or (no)
  • a software algorithm, or (no)
  • software tools commonly used by programmers (no1); and is
  • a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development (so, no)

You're asking:

where do I file a bug

Which is a request for an off-site resource, namely "please link me to Google's bug reporting page".

1: you can say "bug reporting software is a tool commonly used by developers", but this is not a question about a particular piece of bug reporting software, it's a resource request, which are off-topic:

Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic

So while I think this particular question might be interesting and helpful for others, it simply is not within the scope of this site.

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  • Isn't it different when there is no clear link? I mean, the link changed, project forked, weird stuff making it hard to track the "right" URL. Isn't that something more then just asking to act as a proxy for a google search? It require that same thing you need when you have a problem with programming: someone with experience that followed the project closely. My point here is that probably we are using the wrong method to define what's off topic and what's not. Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 11:22
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    @DanieleSegato Sure, it's different, but only in that instead of just asking for a link, you're asking SO users to do the full, time-consuming search for the link for you. You're still asking for a link. You still want an off-site resource. And someone will be expected to keep that answer up-to-date! So if Google changes the location 50 times in the next year, some poor soul, probably the answer author, will be stuck keeping up with it, deleting their answer, or dealing with frequent "but this doesn't work!" comments when the link changes again.
    – Kendra
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 14:13
  • @Kendra I expect someone who already know to tell me, not asking anyone to do the hard work. I'm even usually willing to keep answer up to date if i can. when i post a question like that it's because i already tried hard to find it myself and failed. the amount of upvotes and comments I've received prove it was an actually meaningful question for which the answer is valuable to many. I get it why you usually file does kind of questions as off topic. But what about exceptions like this one? are you all so sure it makes sense to mark them as off topic regardless of how the community react to it? Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 16:13
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    I'll leave this answer stand for a week to see if someone else have different opinion. If none well.. means I'm the only one seeing it differently, which probably means I'm wrong :) so I'll mark this as accepted answer Commented Feb 26, 2016 at 2:29
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    marked as accepted answer. Still think stackoverflow should do something about companies saying to use it for bug reporting, but this is probably another topic on its own Commented Mar 3, 2016 at 6:42
  • @Daniele: What would you propose SO do? They have no control over what an outside source says on their site. We do what we can here by making sure that questions remain on topic no matter what the companies might say. If you have issues with a company misdirecting questions here, address it with the company and link to questions you've asked here that were closed as off-topic; maybe they'll learn.
    – Ken White
    Commented Mar 9, 2016 at 2:26

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