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Here is the entire answer:

Very safe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUID#Random_UUID_probability_of_duplicates

Granted, this was accepted years ago and it has 91 up votes.

But why is such an obvious link-only answer flagged as NAA declined? Without the link the answer is simply:

Very safe:

How is that an answer? Why not convert the answer to a comment instead of declining the NAA flag? Was this a mistake or am I missing something?

Here's the original

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    The question is How safe is it?. Very safe is a poor answer. The link enhances it a bit. Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 2:19
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    Technically, without the link, the answer is actually more like "Very safe: wikipedia Random UUID probability of duplicates". The link text still counts as text; it's only the metadata of the URL, and far more importantly the contents of that URL, that you throw away. Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 2:24
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    @rmaddy: Yeah, or (in better cases than this) even the keywords there might partially answer the question. For example, if a particular method should be used as the backbone of an answer, and the link text contains that method name, that's of some value as a starting point. Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 2:28
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    @rmaddy: In this case, though, about all you can get is that people have in fact considered this problem in some depth before. That's not particularly awesome. Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 2:29
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    Both VLQ flags and NAA flags go to the same place, @j08691. But you're right about the "technically, in the most literal terms" part.
    – jscs
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 2:33
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    @j08691 There is no option to flag the answer as VLQ, just NAA. How do you flag an answer as VLQ? There are 4 options - Spam, Rude, NAA, Needs Mod Attn.
    – rmaddy
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 2:37
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    The post must have a negative score for the VLQ option to be available.
    – jscs
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 2:38
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    @rmaddy - Yes because it was upvoted, in which case that flag is removed. You'd have had to flag it for moderator attention if that flag isn't available. But in general, link only answers tend to be rejected by mods if flagged as "not an answer". I'm speaking from my own experience.
    – j08691
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 2:39
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    So no one wants to do the very least that could be done to improve the answer? OK, neither do I. Bystander effect FTW!
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 5:20
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    @BoltClock Improve it? How about delete it and make it a comment?
    – rmaddy
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 5:22
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    @BoltClock Because it's just a link.
    – rmaddy
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 5:24
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    @rmaddy - then fix the answer, like I just did. Answers like these are tricky because a) it's the accepted answer, so OP found it useful. b) it's highly upvoted so a bunch of people also found it useful. c) wikipedia is unlikely to go away any time soon. So yes, technically it's a link only answer, but there sometimes special cases, especially with older answers such as this one created around the time when the policy on link only answers hadn't been properly set in stone.
    – Kev
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 9:08
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    @Kev post that as an answer, please. Rules are there to be applied when they make sense, not to be used so you can nuke what you personally don't like.
    – Gimby
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 9:17
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    @BoltClock: That's not necessarily the bystander effect; speaking for myself, I don't think it's worth improving the answer, since there's another answer posted a minute later linking to the same article, that actually bothered to include some text from the beginning, and a third answer that explains the whole thing rather well indeed, while linking to the same section of the same article as further reading. I'm not expecting someone else to improve the answer; I'm wondering why they would bother.
    – jscs
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 19:46
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    I can't imagine why flagging, deleting, or converting to a comment a years-old accepted answer with 90+ upvotes would ever be construed as a constructive, "helpful", or appropriate course of action. Editing/improving the answer would be a more rational response than advocating the removal of established, helpful content.
    – aroth
    Commented Nov 9, 2015 at 1:20

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Referring to the canonical Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?, it's an answer. It's not a good answer, but it's an answer.

Here's one example from the above that makes me say that:

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Shog9's test is basically: Strip the markup, and if what remains is an attempt to answer the question, even if badly, then it's an answer. So stripping the markup from the answer you flagged:

Very safe: (link to article about) Random_UUID_probability_of_duplicates

The first two words are an answer. They're not a good answer, but NAA isn't about good or bad or complete or incomplete.

Now, if it were:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUID#Random_UUID_probability_of_duplicates

That would be NAA (and a bad answer). Strip the markup and you're left with:

(link to article about) Random_UUID_probability_of_duplicates

Tells you nothing. Does the article say it's safe? Not safe? We don't know.

It's a bad answer that should be fixed (I think it has been now), but it's an answer.

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Answers like these are tricky because:

  • it's the accepted answer, so OP found it useful.

  • it's highly upvoted so a bunch of other people also found it useful.

  • Wikipedia is unlikely to go away any time soon.

So yes, technically it's a link only answer but there's sometimes special cases, especially with older answers such as this one created around the time when the policy on link only answers hadn't been properly set in stone.

Alternatively improve the answer, like I just did.

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    "Wikipedia is unlikely to go away any time soon" - unless someone sues them for something and they run out of money...
    – daiscog
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 10:51
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    @daiscog They're too big to fail. In the not too unlikely scenario that the United States becomes a problem, the Internet will treat the United States as damage, and route around them.
    – tripleee
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 10:58
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    Just because the OP found it useful and accepted an answer is in no way any indication on whether the answer is actually a good SO answer. I've seen many terrible answers accepted by people who didn't know any better. Again, bad, link only answers can be found useful by lots of people. Doesn't mean the answer should be kept. If anything, some of the highly upvoted link-only answers should be made into comments.
    – rmaddy
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 14:57
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    @rmaddy - I'm not going to get into an extended discussion explaining the concept of "nuance". Had I still had my mod diamond, I'd probably have marked your flag as "helpful" because it would have prompted me to improve the question. Anyway I fixed the answer (which you could have done) so it's not a problem now, I'm not going to waste my afternoon arguing the toss about it, and neither should you.
    – Kev
    Commented Nov 6, 2015 at 15:14
  • @daiscog don't believe tales, the Wikimedia Foundation has plenty of money and keeping the lights on would need perhaps 5 % of what it spends. meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/…
    – Nemo
    Commented Nov 7, 2015 at 8:44
  • @rmaddy - You mean the OP and some 90 other members of the community found it useful. Not quite the same thing as an ill-informed OP accepting a bad answer. In that case, the 90 other community members would tend to point out that the answer was bad instead of voting it up. Doesn't necessarily mean that the answer should be kept, but it does tend to imply that the answer shouldn't be removed at the personal whim of one community member and one mod, and should be improved instead. Which you could have done using a fraction of the effort you've put into arguing for removing the answer.
    – aroth
    Commented Nov 9, 2015 at 5:00
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This is not a link-only answer.

Without the link the answer is simply:

Very safe:

Mostly correct. A slightly more accurate representation would be

Very safe: look up "Random UUID probability of duplicates" for more details.

since you have to take into account the content that's part of the URL itself as well, though it doesn't add much here.

Either way, even with just "Very safe:", it's already an answer to the question. Without the link, it's a very low quality answer, but very low quality answers still don't qualify for NAA flags. With the link, it's not even a very low quality answer.

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    @pnuts Having posted one answer about one particular NAA flag doesn't make me the go-to person for your qualms about the handling of other flags.
    – user743382
    Commented Nov 8, 2015 at 18:37
  • @pnuts In other words, you're trying to raise a possible issue I haven't addressed and don't want to address, and you're doing so in a comment on my answer. That's the wrong place for it.
    – user743382
    Commented Nov 8, 2015 at 19:15
  • @pnuts I have no interest whatsoever in continuing this discussion. If you want to continue it with someone else, I recommend you do so elsewhere. This will be my last comment here.
    – user743382
    Commented Nov 8, 2015 at 20:15

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