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Based on this question, I feel it's not made sufficiently clear by PayPal to its users that Stack Overflow is not the correct platform to ask their non-technical questions on.

The link to Stack Overflow is on PayPal's sub-site https://developer.paypal.com/developer/support, where the "Developer Resources" page containing only the brief sentence

Visit StackOverflow to check out our PayPal forum.

It may be helpful for PayPal, their developers (and, as it appears, their regular clients), and Stack Overflow to ask them to change the wording there to something such as in Robert Harvey's answer to SoundCloud:

It's worth noting that Stack Overflow has standards for accepting questions, and that they're not affiliated with Insert Name Here in any way. Not every question gets accepted at Stack Overflow, nor does Stack Overflow provide customer support services.

It is important that everyone asking an Insert Name Here question at Stack Overflow read the rules for posting first: https://stackoverflow.com/help/.... Stack Overflow exists to answer people's questions about writing computer code; questions about any other topic (like "how do I get an API key, how do I download the SDK" etc.) will be closed.

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    Hmya, you can't really expect PayPal to do any better at this than StackExchange. I'm the hapless victim of the [windows] tag, answering a lot of Windows programming questions. I easily VTC 8 questions a day that have nothing to do with programming. These are just people that google "paypal support" and land on that page without having any real idea what "developer" might mean. Or expect to need a developer to solve their support problem. Only real way to slow them down is to not let them create an account and instantly ask a question. Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 11:26
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    They could, at least, change the word "forum" to something more Q&A friendly. Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 13:38
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    ...and besides it not being a forum, it's certainly not "their forum"...
    – piet.t
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 13:40
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    I am bit confused when Paypal or similar companies openly announce user to visit SO for support. Do they have any formal agreement with SO? If not, then how SO handles this type of association?
    – Rahul
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 13:58
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    Stack Overflow is not a forum, and should not be treated by PayPal as such. To add to this, PayPal is misusing the SO trademark as SO's name is 'Stack Overflow', not 'StackOverflow'...
    – AStopher
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 14:05
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    "check out our PayPal forum" is definitely wrong and (intentionally) misleading. I'm surprised they're willing to accept the backlash for this.
    – runDOSrun
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 14:06
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    @Rahul, No, no formal agreement. PayPal is just telling people to come to SO with their questions. Stack Exchange will probably send them a letter or an email at some point ansking them to stop doing this, or a at least change the wording on their website. Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 14:09
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    Would it be possible for Stack Exchange to display some sort of warning when the HTTP referrer matches that "support" page? I mean, that's kind of a nuclear option, but I don't imagine PayPal will be very responsive here.
    – Kevin
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 16:03
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    Paypal has their logo on their tag, so they have some sort of sponsorship setup or at least communicate with SO.. Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 16:55
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    @Raystafarian, That does not excuse them from sending crap questions here. Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 17:04
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    @JonasCz I'm aware of that, I'm just saying obviously they have a sponsorship agreement and may think they are entitled to something that they aren't. I think that'd be handled by whoever the account manager is at SE. Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 17:05
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    This answer in Is it okay to use Stack Overflow as the support forum for a product or project? reflects my view: yes, it should be allowed to have others point to SO as a good place to ask technical questions on, subject to the limits of SO. It's their wording that is, well ... minimally, and probably too unclear for the casual reader.
    – Jongware
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 17:45
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    Since nobody has mentioned it yet, a reminder/pointer that there is now an official help page addressing third-party support. Note that PayPal's page does actually follow the advice to clearly differentiate topics. The problem here is more unusual in that they're claiming a relationship which doesn't exist - "our forum". Given the sponsorship arrangement and brand implications on both sides, I think it would be sensible for a member of SE staff to get involved in this one.
    – IMSoP
    Commented Jun 8, 2015 at 20:39
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    Related Meta.SE, dated March 2013: Is Stack Overflow the official PayPal support site?...
    – Jeroen
    Commented Jun 9, 2015 at 17:42
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    I mentioned the misuse of the wordmark, and the language "our forum" in 2014, as well: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/261199/… Commented Jun 9, 2015 at 17:48

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Just suggest to PayPal that they change "Visit StackOverflow to check out our PayPal forum." to something like:

Check out our active PayPal tag on Stack Overflow (a Q&A site for developers).

OR (based on That1Guy's comment, and better IMHO):

Check out the active PayPal tag on Stack Overflow (a Q&A site for developers).

I actually saw that link a few weeks back, and got excited as not only is SO a better place for Q&A than any product-specific forum site, I assumed it means PayPal developers monitor that tag. (Actually I imagine/hope part of the sponsorship is that they agree to have a minimum number of developers subscribed to their tag.)

But, however you rephrase you are still going to get off-topic or duplicate questions. From what I hear, PayPal can be a bit slow to respond to questions from their merchants, so people get desperate, and will start asking for help in other places. Desperate people either won't read long pieces of advice, or will assume it doesn't apply to them, or will say to themselves, "well, I'm only going to do it once, it'll be okay." :-)

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    If I had my choice, the use of "our" would be removed from the phrasing.
    – That1Guy
    Commented Jun 9, 2015 at 17:01
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    @That1Guy Thanks. I added that suggestion (our --> the). Commented Jun 9, 2015 at 19:09
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    Well, we can all pat ourselves on the back about making a good decision for PayPal. So... Is anyone going to tell them?
    – Basic
    Commented Jun 9, 2015 at 20:39
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    @Basic Presumably that is the job of their Account Manager at StackOverflow... This question has got lots of views, so let's hope that includes someone in the accounts department :-) Commented Jun 9, 2015 at 21:19
  • Both lines looks exact same Commented Jun 10, 2015 at 3:27
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    @NullPoiиteя you are wrong and our 1st line is changed to the as Darren Cook already commented.
    – fujiFX
    Commented Jun 10, 2015 at 4:06
  • @fujiFX lol both line are exact same !! so how am i wrong Commented Jun 10, 2015 at 4:40
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    @NullPoiиteя well, if you intended the light hearted side of it yes it looks to be the same but grammatically not ;)
    – fujiFX
    Commented Jun 10, 2015 at 4:57
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    @DarrenCook They do monitor the PayPal related tags, I once had my question answered by the developer from the PayPal iOS SDK. Unfortunately, I believe he was the only guy working on the whole SDK.
    – Leandros
    Commented Jun 10, 2015 at 7:36
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    @Leandros: but do they vote down and VTC off topic questions, as they should? (I doubt it.)
    – Jongware
    Commented Jun 10, 2015 at 20:18
  • They have yet to fix that..
    – AStopher
    Commented Jun 5, 2016 at 10:23

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