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Low traffic tags are as much important as High traffic ones, yet, they get minimal attention from the community. Having such tags unattended will result in many "off-topic" posts. What should the community do to reduce "off-topic" posts in Low traffic tags?

The below is an example of a 100% duplicate answer, but the answerer ignored the rules by claiming that his "priority is IBM customer".

Has Stack-Overflow become a "customer care center"?

In case the comment is removed or modified:

"My experience with duplicates is that moderation tends to never reach those, so in order for the person to get a full appreciation of the subject matter, it is better to reply even if duplicate. Change how SO works, I'll gladly mark as duplicate. My first priority is for the IBM customer."

To answer some of below comments:

SO is "for professionals and enthusiast programmers". I couldn't find help desk or help center.

Even if he works for IBM, adding the same answer over and over instead of closing it as duplicate, neglecting community rules.

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    I think you should define what you mean by customer care center, and point out what the implications you think that has.
    – mason
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 14:30
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    @Omar what discussion are you trying to have? Or is this a rhetorical question / rant?
    – user247702
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 14:32
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    It's no secret that companies have employees check SO to support their products. As long as they remain on topic, does it matter?
    – Joe
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 14:34
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    He works for IBM Worklight, it's no surprise that he's answered a lot of relevant questions... he doesn't seem like a rep whore to me, just some guy doing his job
    – eddie_cat
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 14:36
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    I'm more interested in his explanation of what "moderation tends to never reach those" means. I'm having trouble parsing that specific phrase.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 14:37
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    @0x7fffffff - That's a bit harsh, don't you think? I know what I've written in answers, so I know when I've left an explanation I'm proud of. He's merely pointing back to older answers of his to similar questions, and then providing additional explanation on top of that.
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 14:39
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    @BradLarson Well, first off, it's not additional context. It's not any context specific to the question. The text not in the links is just quoting the text in those links, not adding to them. All he's done is posted links to duplicate questions as an answer instead of voting to close as a duplicate without adding any additional information or context specific to the question.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 14:41
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    You edited the question and entirely changed the meaning. OP said multi-paged model, you edited entire question to single page model. Hence invalidating the current answer. Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 14:42
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    @InfiniteRecursion He did comment on it though. According to the comment there really is no such thing as a multi-paged model, and that he's simply using the wrong term for the function behavior he described. Of course, with zero domain knowledge I couldn't say if that assertion is correct or not.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 14:52
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    @InfiniteRecursion Yes, it is valid. The statement is asserting that the platform is a single page application, not that the OP's code is a single page application.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 15:31
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    @eddie_cat this doesn't grant him any extra privilege over the rules set by community.
    – Omar
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 16:36
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    @Omar part that answers your question in the dup is that user breaking rules "for IBM customer" can go to hell, 'cause Stack Overflow is not a customer support for IBM
    – gnat
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 17:07
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    @eddie_cat posting a duplicate answer of duplicate answers.
    – Omar
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 17:26
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    @InfiniteRecursion 1) I use this power wisely. 2) I needed a 2nd opinion, I got 3 instead. 3) The OP uses latest jQM version, the dup answers cover earlier version, thus, I shouldn't close a question with another that uses older version.
    – Omar
    Commented Aug 1, 2014 at 10:16
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    @InfiniteRecursion 4) I have notified the answerer to update his answer since the answers he proposed are using deprecated functions. The answerer has confirmed that deprecation doesn't mean removal, which gave me another reason to close it as dup.
    – Omar
    Commented Aug 1, 2014 at 10:17

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Firstly, his comment is not implying he considers Stack Overflow to be a customer help centre. Rather, he is saying that his priority is to answer IBM-related questions. I don't have any issue with companies encouraging their staff to provide help on their products (more so, if they're disclosing it).

Secondly, he has a point about the duplicates.

One of the aspects that makes Stack Overflow a different kind of knowledge base than Wikipedia, is that it is question-driven (hence, problem-driven). Despite all the good will we want to have about having the goal of creating a repository of programming knowledge, we can't forget that: tailoring the answer and explanation to the question (and the way it's worded) is an essential part of the way Stack Overflow works. Duplicate closures can be a bit unsatisfactory in that respect, in that they barely differ from link-only answers, besides the fact they're also hosted on the site.

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    All he posted was a link only answer. He didn't tailor the answer to the question; he didn't include any information specific to that user. He just copy-pasted the first paragraph from one of his other answers and posted it below the link, without indicating that it is in fact just a quote of his other answer.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 15:21
  • @Servy You'll find that he did provide multiple links (which you can't easily do with duplicates) and provided a summary for it all, including suggestions of what you can and can't do with it. Auto-plagiarism is a non-issue if he's selected the right parts for that question. (I was also pointing the general problem with duplicates, not necessarily for this particular Q&A.)
    – Bruno
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 15:26
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    That "summary" is just a copy-paste of the first few paragraphs of the other answer of his. Several of those additional links look like they should all be duplicates of a single post, as they're all containing the same content. If some of the other posts are useful related links, they can be included in comments just fine.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 15:29
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    I wasn't accusing him of plagiarism. I'm fully aware that since it's his own content he doesn't need to cite himself. My point is that it's not like it's unique content tailored to the specific question, as you're claiming, it's just a copy of the other answer; generalized statement that he included in all of those duplicate answers.
    – Servy
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 15:30
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    @Servy As a whole, the answer is an answer to that question. So yes, maybe that could be a comment instead, yet it's much more readable and useful this way, for all parties involved (including asker and other readers). This might not be the best example, but my point about the issue with duplicates remains. (I'm quite happy to close exact duplicates and I do so once in a while, but there's room for improvement in that mechanism, in general.)
    – Bruno
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 15:37
  • The question is a duplicate, not to mention all the links are duplicates of each others.
    – Omar
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 16:41
  • If it's a duplicate and you closed it as a gold badge user, is a meta post required as per community rules? Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 16:45
  • @InfiniteRecursion a case to be discussed, is that against community rules?
    – Omar
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 16:48
  • I was just pointing out some of the problems of the duplicate system. I agree the answers in this case are overall very similar, possibly too much, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a point. He didn't seem concerned so much about answered tailored to questions, rather about the fact he prefers to answer the question there and then to help, instead of having to wait (sometimes quite a while on low traffic tags) for someone to close as a duplicate. It's not ideal, but there are worse "crimes" on SO.
    – Bruno
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 18:11
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    Actually, I had missed @InfiniteRecursion comment earlier, but you have edited the question indeed, Omar. It would seem this was not a duplicate. The fact that you can't do multi-page but have to do single-page another way (and it points to single-page solutions) certainly doesn't mean that the question was a duplicate. The fact that two questions have the same answer does not necessarily make them duplicates. The fact that the asker was misguided into trying something thinking it was multi-page but is effectively single-page does not either.
    – Bruno
    Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 18:18
  • You have missed my comment replying @InfiniteRecursion. Based on documentation and code given in OP, your rollback is incorrect. Trust me, I know what I'm doing.
    – Omar
    Commented Aug 1, 2014 at 7:54
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    @Omar I don't dispute the fact you know the subject, but a question that says "I'm trying to do X with a multi-page model, but I can't get it to work, here is what I've tried + <failed attempt that looks like single-page because it's the only thing you can do anyway>" followed by an answer that says "You can't, you need to use single-page model like so [...]" isn't the same as a question that says "I'm trying to do X with a single-page model". If the asker knew in advance they can't use a multi-page model (i.e. most of the answer), the probably wouldn't ask the question...
    – Bruno
    Commented Aug 1, 2014 at 9:05
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    With your edit, anyone searching about a multi-page model in this context (however wrongly), won't find the question, and won't know it's not possible, since you've removed all references to "multi-page". The idea of indexing questions is to let others who try to do something similar find the questions, however misguided those attempts are. Corrections are for answers.
    – Bruno
    Commented Aug 1, 2014 at 9:07
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    @Omar If the question is wrong, we shouldn't change the question. We should write an answer explaining why it is wrong. Editing isn't for correcting technical inaccuracies, as Bruno has explained. Future users who think it is multipage, will benefit from an answer explaining that it is actually single page. That is how dupes work, same question is written by different people in different ways because they don't know the correct terms and concepts. Commented Aug 1, 2014 at 9:12
  • @Bruno Your point is valid. After reading WL docs, it looks like both WL and jQM definition of Single and Multi are somehow the opposite. WL and jQM are both "Single DOM Model", however, in WL the definition of Multi-page is unclear. Both framework uses Ajax to load external pages into DOM rather than HTTP.
    – Omar
    Commented Aug 1, 2014 at 9:14

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