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Beta release of Collectives on Stack Overflow

Over the past year, our Reach & Relevance team (description of the team in FAQ) has been heads down working on a new initiative that will enhance the experience on Stack Overflow for both our users and organizations (open source organizations and their different projects, companies that build products and services for developers). Today, I’m happy to announce the Beta release of a new product, Collectives™ on Stack Overflow.

First things first: why?

We know that developers at tech organizations have a wealth of knowledge about their technologies and, while some currently participate on SO, we're interested in a way to increase and simplify that participation. An organization’s expertise, when included with the community’s knowledge, can provide a more in-depth understanding of how to use a language, leverage a service, or troubleshoot a technology.

We’ve also learned that organizations who are active on Stack Overflow have a strong appetite to add their specific knowledge. They want to have deeper interactions and provide a better experience to their current and potential users. Currently, they can’t do that with any of our products.

With that in mind, we have the following goals for this initiative:

  • Allow the communities that have formed around specific technologies to engage with the people that are building and supporting those technologies.

  • Increase the amount of high-quality content around tags related to a Collectives’ technology on Stack Overflow.

  • Give technical employees of these organizations the tools to contribute their knowledge effectively to the Stack Overflow community.

  • Provide organizations with a space on Stack Overflow where they can highlight and share relevant content.

Beta release

We’re launching the Beta version of Collectives™ on Stack Overflow today. It will include features that are based on our findings from research sessions with users, moderators, and organizations. Our Product Research Lead on this initiative, Mithila Fox, posted a more in-depth post on this process. This is just the beginning. We will continue to listen, learn, and make improvements. We're interested in hearing your thoughts, and we have outlined the various ways we plan to gather feedback below (see: how to share feedback).

What is a collective?

Collectives™ on Stack Overflow is a new set of spaces on Stack Overflow where content related to certain technical languages, products, or services can be grouped together. It’s a place for users who regularly interact with this content to collaborate. In turn, the organizations that help build or maintain this technology will share their expertise. Collectives are based on a set of specific tags relating to the technologies that an organization builds, supports, and has an authority over. They aggregate all content for those interested in this technology and give some special handling of content posted in those tags.

Beta features

Below there’s a short description of what’s included in this initial launch. For a visual representation, see Go Collective & Google Cloud Collective.

Collectives page

Each organization that participates in Collectives on Stack Overflow will get its own page, which will act as its “home” on Stack Overflow. Questions and Answers will be posted to Stack Overflow, as usual, and the collective page will aggregate all the relevant content from selected tags. It’s where relevant Articles (more below in the Articles paragraph) can be found. Users can participate in a collective-specific leaderboard and can learn which users are Admins/Recognized Members of a collective.

When you choose to join a collective you’ll find a link to it in the left side navigation. All Collectives can be found here.

User Roles

Collectives on Stack Overflow will add additional user roles to Stack Overflow.

Recognized Member

Recognized members are either employees of an organization or users from within the Stack Overflow community that are knowledgeable about their products and therefore selected to become Recognized Members. These users will have a badge on their user card when they post/edit a question, answer, or article within the collective. They are also able to post Articles and recommend answers.

Recognized by collective answer

Admin

The admin of a collective has all the abilities the Recognized Member has, but also has access to the data (see below) from within the collective. They are the ones who manage Recognized Members and are able to invite Stack Overflow users to become Recognized Members within the collective.

Employee

An Admin/Recognized member can have the employee label. This will not affect any of their permissions but would show this on any post they make. This way all Stack Overflow users will be able to see that the user is formally associated with the organization.

Employee Label

Articles

Collectives on Stack Overflow adds the ability to create Articles, longer form content that lives on the collective page. We first introduced this feature within our Teams product last year, and we have seen strong adoption and usage. Articles give Recognized Members the opportunity to provide deeper knowledge and insights through how-to-guides, knowledge articles, or announcements. Initially, Articles can only be posted by Admins and Recognized Members of a collective, but we’re planning to release a feature (in the near term) that would allow any member of a collective to submit an Article for review.

Enhancing the Q&A experience through Recommended Answers

Recognized members and admins of an organization will be able to recommend answers on tags associated with their collective. This effectively adds a “seal of approval” to the most appropriate answer from their point of view. However, it does not impact or override the existing system for voting an answer up or down.

Answer recommended by collective

Metrics

In order to help Admins better understand the health of their collective and how they can positively contribute to it, we'll be providing them with metrics & insights on activity on the pages around the tags that are associated with their collective. More info on what data will be available can be found below in the FAQ section.

Feedback and next steps

We have a large backlog of feedback, feature requests, and our own ideas which will go through rounds of research with users and organizations over the coming months. And we’re curious to hear what features you might feel would be beneficial from your perspective.

How to share feedback

We’re excited to see how this product will be used and are eager to hear your feedback on the different features. We’ll be processing the feedback in two ways:

  • You can use the regular feature request flow.

  • The user research post describes how you can participate in future user research.

  • Later this week we’ll post a Townhall AMA Meta post (hosted by the Community Management team) where we’ll try to answer questions.

The feedback that we collect through these sources will be included in our user research process. Feedback from the community has shaped this product so far, and we want to continue that.

Next steps

We’ve learned a lot during our user research sessions and look forward to seeing how this new initiative can benefit the community and our customers. We want to ensure that this project continues to add value, improve the quality of content and allow our users to engage with the people that are building/supporting the technologies they use. Therefore we’ll continue identifying features that are needed from an organization and user perspective so we can build them into the roadmap in the coming months.

Launch customers

We are excited to announce that we’ll be launching with Go & Google Cloud. These two organizations already have a huge presence on Stack Overflow through their tags. They are well-positioned to take advantage of the collective page, recommendations, and articles in order to improve the Stack Overflow experience around their tags and engage with their communities more directly, in a central place. Both of these organizations have proven to be great partners during the process of creating this initiative, being involved in many research sessions, understanding the Stack Overflow and the Collectives project, and providing us with valuable feedback on how to make this a success.

Shoutouts

We’d like to give a huge shout-out to the group of users that have been participating in our research sessions. We’ve learned a lot from these conversations, and we really enjoyed them. Thank you so much, and we look forward to continuing these conversations with you.


FAQ

We know that you will have questions on Collectives on Stack Overflow. We’ve summarized several that we’ve received from community members who have participated in our research sessions, as well as a few questions we anticipate hearing from you.

Why didn’t you ask for feedback on Meta earlier?

Because this initiative involved potential customer organizations, we could not speak publicly about it until we were ready to launch. However, we have been running weekly research sessions with a group of 12 moderators and high-rep Meta users under NDA to gather their feedback and thoughts on different aspects of the project. We've shared a more in-depth post on these research sessions and our findings on Meta.

Why have you been working on this, instead of this or that?

We believe this project can have a positive impact on the user experience on Stack Overflow by providing a dedicated space where people can collaborate more directly around technologies and products. While the research and development of this initiative was largely driven by the Reach and Relevance team, they coordinated closely with the Public Platform and Community teams. The Public Platform and Community teams were key stakeholders on the project to provide insight, guidance, and input.

Wait a second. Articles sound familiar. How is this different from the Documentation project?

Good question... We’ve done quite a bit of research on what went wrong with the Documentation project. At the time, we didn't have the resources to fully support Documentation, but the research done then, and more recently around this project, has consistently validated an appetite for content beyond Q&A on Stack Overflow.

A second concern around Documentation was around the content quality. We feel that initially limiting posting of Articles to a small subset of users and expanding that later on to a bigger group through an approval process should mitigate these problems.

But does this mean that these organizations own the Q&A content?

No, all questions and answers will remain on Stack Overflow. Nothing changes here. Moderation rules, code of conduct, etc. will all remain the same. The license of the content will remain the same as described here.

Does Stack Overflow become a support portal for large organizations?

No. Even though we might see more of our customers' clients coming to Stack Overflow for help, the rules around Q&A on Stack Overflow remain the same, and we'll continue to set appropriate expectations with our customers & users.

How will this affect the workload for moderators and curators?

We don’t want the workload for our moderators to increase significantly due to this project. However, there is no way to know for sure. This is why we are testing the concept with only two Beta Customers. We will be in very close contact with the moderator team to gather their thoughts and make adjustments - if and when necessary. Our community team is closely monitoring this and providing feedback to the project team. We have also provided clear instructions to the organizations about the best ways of engaging on Stack Overflow, making sure that their contributions are meaningful and valuable.

What content is part of Collectives?

We create a collective around a set of specific tags relating to the technologies that an organization builds, supports, and has an authority over.

What type of data will be shared with the organizations in the reporting section?

All the data will be aggregated, therefore we won’t be sharing any PII (personal) information with the organizations and will comply with all data privacy laws (GDPR, CCPA, etc.). The organizations will have access to different types of reports. These will include metrics such as page views & unique users per day/country, the total number of questions/answers in a specific timeframe, and calculated metrics such as the % of questions that got an answer within 24 hours per topic tag.

How does this relate to the rest of the Stack Exchange Network?

Right now we're working with Stack Overflow in mind, and our launch will be focused there. However, if other organizations show an interest outside of SO, we will keep an open mind and consider making it available more widely.

How will recommended answers affect the order or the answers and the rep system?

Initially, it will not affect the order at all. We are looking into one particular use case where answers that have the exact same score are currently randomly sorted. In terms of rep: it will have no effect on the reputation you get from answers. You will continue to earn rep as usual by answering and voting on responses to questions.

What were the criteria for selecting a launch customer?

We applied several criteria:

  • We wanted to launch with one open-source and one commercial organization, as we feel those are both very relevant to Stack Overflow users. To hit the ground running, we wanted to launch with an organization that already had a good amount of activity on Stack Overflow through their potential tags. Therefore we looked at the number of tags that their technologies have and the total number of pageviews these questions get per month.

  • We selected the organizations that were eager to actively work with us on the Beta launch and were willing to commit to providing resources to support their Collective and to provide us with feedback on what features would be useful for them.

Will recommendations affect the sorting of answers on question pages?

No, we have no plans to do so in the foreseeable future. We'll revisit this if we learn that recommendations prove to be a consistent signal to identify the most relevant answer.

What’s the benefit for organizations to actually participate?

We’d like to split this into two categories:

Adoption

We know from our research that, when evaluating platforms, engineers look for technologies that have a well-supported, thriving user community. The social proof that comes from these communities helps drive adoption and engagement for the products & services of these organizations.

Engagement

We know that our customers are looking for insights and engagement with their core audience to help support their own product development cycles. We feel that the features included in this Beta release will allow them to make better strategic decisions on growing and driving adoption of their products.

What is the Reach & Relevance Team?

The Reach & Relevance Team focuses on building and operating product features that address real user needs while enabling relevant technology providers and employers to build awareness and engage with interested users on our products such as Collectives on Stack Overflow, Advertising, and Employer Branding.

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    I wonder how this is gonna destabilize the rep economy in the long run Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:52
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    I wonder how this is gonna impact the credibility of answers from people who don't participate in the collective, or who are not Recognized Members
    – blackgreen Mod
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:57
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    Innovation, like this, is very very welcome. Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:48
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    so, effectively, sponsored tags 2.0, now with more strings attached. I hope this never comes to the tags i frequent.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 15:02
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    So private companies can essentially buy moderator rights on SO, within their "collective"? And censor uncomfortable content such as posts pointing out bugs in their products?
    – Lundin
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 15:05
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    @Lundin erm, no? This doesn't give any diamond moderator rights. Moderation is fully under diamond mods control.
    – Cesar M StaffMod
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 15:14
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    I realize that the addition of ™ to the title is recent in the edit history, and may not, therefore, reflect official position(s). I doubt that the term "Collectives" is valid, in this context, as a trademark. Typically, common words are acceptable as trademarks when the word is not descriptive of the company or its product. I.e.: "Apple" for computers or school books is valid while "Apple" for a company which sells apples (fruit) would not be valid. It should also be ℠ rather than ™.
    – Chindraba
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 15:44
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    I think this is a really cool initiative, with a lot of potential. I say potential in both directions– it has the propensity to add a lot of value and new expertise to the site, making it an even more valuable resource; but it could also possibly wreck the site balance in several key ways if botched or handled poorly. Regardless of what the future holds, it sounds like y'all have done a ton of research and homework to back this initiative up, and that's really exciting to me, and makes me really hopeful that it'll work out for the better. Best of luck!!
    – zcoop98
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 17:02
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    I really do not like this.
    – JonH
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 21:07
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    @Philippe Is "Collectives" an actual trademark? Have you applied to the United States Patent and Trade Mark Office to register it as a trademark?
    – PM 2Ring
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 22:03
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    @tripleee The original images were cribbed from existing answers posted to Stack Overflow by completely different users. In other words, their usage here was not in compliance with the CC by-SA license because it did not provide attribution. Presumably, they copy-pasted legitimate answers from live SO into their testbed instance, from which they took the screenshots. The new images are also of actual answers posted to SO, but they're both answers by SO staff members, and the attribution (i.e., user cards) is now correct (//stackoverflow.com/a/2493719 and //stackoverflow.com/a/9684357).
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 7:26
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    @PM2Ring -I’ve consulted with the appropriate legal-type folks in the office (who manage our use of things like the ™ symbol) who have told me that it is being correctly used in this instance, and that Collectives™ on Stack Overflow is the name of the product, and the correct way to refer to it.
    – Philippe StaffMod
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 13:58
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    I'm deleting comments and the reason is that there are some folks trying to malign Teresa for things unrelated to this post. That's not the purpose of comments and any comments not related to the topic at hand are subject to deletion. If we need to hand out suspensions to make that clear, so be it. Consider this an official warning.
    – Machavity Mod
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 13:38
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    If software companies want to comment on answers or post answers to questions they can already do so. Judging from the quality of answers on StackOverflow, there is no need for this feature. You just need to look at Q&A forums hosted by software companies to see that they are far inferior to StackOverflow. Maybe they don't have access to the company developers, I don't know, but many answers are not helpful and just put there so they can claim they "answered" the question.
    – John D
    Commented Jun 27, 2021 at 4:11
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    This feature, especially the "recognized" member feature, to me spells the end of meritocracy on this site and the final nail in the coffin of what was once one of the world's greatest open source websites. Now, despite that I have a 400K reputation, if some mega tech company doesn't like me or recognize me, then my contributions will be rated and valued less than someone who has that badge of recognition. This is not meritocracy, it is corptocracy. Commented Jun 28, 2021 at 10:41

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I can't say I'm excited about this. One of the basic tenets of the Q&A model is that anyone can ask and answer any question. All those status about "recommended" or "employee" or "recognized" gives an unduly authoritativeness that doesn't come naturally via contributions like tag badges do. This would veer the preferences about the content on the site from community-based, towards what an external entity dictates.

Generally, while I don't think that grouping tags around a topic is too bad (while I still believe that this should be by improving our tag corpus instead), the other characteristics that this project has given me all the wrong kind of vibes about building independent content about programming questions.

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    I basically had the same thought. In the end it will depend on how the "recognized member" tags are handed out.
    – BDL
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:10
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    Although "authoritativeness" is a word, it is rather contrived, IMHO (making a noun from an adjective itself derived from a noun). Maybe just "... an undue authority?" Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:17
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    @AdrianMole Nouning weirds language.
    – yivi
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:27
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    Resistance to the GCP Collective™'s answer is futile. Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:28
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    @AdrianMole and yet it's something that I find natural, despite being a non-native speaker
    – Braiam
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:29
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    I also have a concern that this will distract from the tried and true practice of "the community views and votes on all content equally". We already see people's rep skyrocket after they become moderators and get a diamond by their name. While this seems to be about the post rather than the user (e.g. labels apply per answer rather than per user who has a label themselves) it remains to be seen what effect this will have.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:34
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    I hear your concerns, and one of the key decisions we made from the early days of this initiative was to keep the focus on the content and to make sure we don’t disrupt the existing Q&A model. Features like “recommended answers” or highlighting “recognized users” are designed to build on top of the existing model, providing users with additional visual signals to find answers best suited to their needs. They don’t influence sort order, rep, or existing privileges for the exact reason you stated: those are earned from community-driven actions. (1/2)
    – Puneet Mulchandani StaffMod
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 15:05
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    Having organizations participating in this way allows us to tap into another benefit: companies behind these technologies have a vested interest in keeping this content up-to-date. Whether that’s reviewing old answers to ensure they’re still valid; adding a visual signal to a newer, more accurate answer that hasn’t yet gathered enough votes; or even simply answering unanswered questions. Ultimately, our goal is to make sure users can find the best answers to their problems in the easiest way possible. (2/2)
    – Puneet Mulchandani StaffMod
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 15:05
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    @PuneetMulchandani while the sort order is important, remember that it's not the single signal that users use. Length of the post (aka, "I'm not going to read this wall of text"), user name, authoritativeness that the post show, if there's an easily copy-n-pastable bit of code, etc. are signals that users use to determine what answer they should use. We've had users still upvoting and using posts with a warning that the code leaves you vulnerable to SQL injection. TL;dr: not messing with the order isn't enough to not have a impact on user behavior.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 15:44
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    @Braiam yep, I agree with you. We're seeing this as just one additional signal that users can use to gauge whether an answer is right for their context. It doesn't replace or change the usefulness of the other signals that users consider (voting, post length, sample code, etc)
    – Puneet Mulchandani StaffMod
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 16:23
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    @PuneetMuylchandani I hope that metrics about the voting behavior of registered and anonymous users is taken into account after and before the change. Not only the performance of recommended by collective vs not recommended, but also if the trend of the recommended posts themselves before and after the change.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 17:19
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    @Braiam +1, we're keeping a close eye on metrics & behavior and that'll primarily inform future work we prioritize in this area
    – Puneet Mulchandani StaffMod
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 18:54
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    @Puneet Thanks for your comments; they really resonate with me. I'm glad you and the other members of the team involved with this have listened to the feedback that my mod colleagues who participated in the private design/workshopping of this project provided. Specifically, that you've tried to maintain as much of the existing Q&A model as possible. From what I've seen so far, it looks like you've succeeded. (Still early to make the final call, of course.) What I'm seeing as the biggest potential problem is, what happens when there's inevitably a conflict? Consider the scenario... (1/2)
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 26, 2021 at 3:52
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    ...where normal community members reject a particular post because they think it violates the rules/standards of SO (e.g., they think it's off-topic). Say a diamond mod (a rep of the community) even agrees with them, and removes the post. But your corporate partners, the ones paying actual money for the Collectives product, come in and say no, we are paying for that post to be on SO, and we demand that you put it back. What do you, as staff, do in that very unenviable situation? Do you side with the mods/community? Or do you side with the paying customer? That's what I'm waiting to see.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 26, 2021 at 3:53
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    Let me give a great example of why handing out special recognized armbands is an overall bad idea. Let's say there are a number of questions about AWS. And let's also say that the currently accepted answer, already there, also happens to be a low cost option. Are we to believe, even for a moment, that a "recognized" AWS member working for Amazon might not have been instructed to offer a solution which maximizes the company's profits? Stack Overflow was built on open source principles. Let's try to keep it that way. Commented Jun 28, 2021 at 10:46
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If we're going to have a "Recognized by AudioBubble" banner under the user-card on answers posted by users chosen by the sponsors, then why not a "Gold Badge in AudioBubble" banner for users who have earned that accolade?

Surely, such reputation-driven, Community-awarded, qualifications are at least as important as those assigned by a third party.

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  • And let them gold hammer a post against any other AudioBubble post? That's a lotta power Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 15:42
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    @Nick Who is "them"? The AudioBubble employees? I think Adrian is saying that "natural" gold-badgers should get a banner similar to collective employees, not that employees should get gold badges.
    – zcoop98
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 15:43
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    @zcoop98 Yes, indeed. Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 15:44
  • @zcoop98 Obviously I meant the regular users, imagine a Microsoft collective with C# and all their other products under it, would you want even SO community users with a "gold badge in Microsoft" to be able to close any Microsoft question as a dupe of any other Microsoft question? Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 15:57
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    @Nick I still don't understand your concern; this proposal isn't asking for any changes to gold badge powers, nor anything resembling adding gold badges for a collective's tag pool. Just a banner for normal gold badges; users with a gold on a given tag would get a profile banner under their answers on questions tagged with their golden tag. No new close powers, nothing to even do with collectives at all.
    – zcoop98
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    @zcoop98 Then the banner should say "Gold badge in <some audiobubble tag>", rather than "Gold badge in audiobubble" as described, because they mean different things Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 16:05
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    @zcoop98 Yeah, I have no problem with a banner saying gold badge in x tag where x tag is relevant to the collective (I mean, besides the existence of the banners themselves), my concern was the apparent desire for collective gold badges Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 16:09
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    @Nick I was assuming that "AudioBubble" was the tag name - my misunderstanding, I guess. However, maybe a moot point, as there aren't any gold-badgers in [tag:audiobubble]. ;-) Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 16:20
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    I hope not... posts should be judged on their quality and usefulness alone, not the badges or corporate associations the poster has.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 17:01
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    @Kevin I agree! However, if we're going to have such 'status' indicators on posts (and I don't really think we should), then Gold Tag-Badge status should be on (at least) the same level as any corporate/cartel/sponsor -given status. Neither makes the answer better or worse: we have had a system for 'judging' answers since ... well, since the beginning. Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 21:15
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    It's bad enough some people default to casting upvotes on every post by a "new contributor"
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 21:17
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    @Kevin Hmm. The Triage queue (IIRC: don't go there much, these days) actually encourages upvoting half-decent posts by new contributors. Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 21:18
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    I don’t think this would scale. I have a lot of gold tag badges; if I have multiple gold badges related to the question being answered, what would be shown?
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 23:15
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    @MartijnPieters Why not? You could have "Gold tags(s) in [XXX1] [XXX2] [XXX3]" (or some such) as the banner under the user-card. After all, you can't have more than 5 gold badges for any given question. (Or just tag-badge symbols for each?) Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 23:19
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    @EricDuminil At first, I though it was a German car manufacturer, but now I'm not so sure... :-) Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 19:16
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You mention the first collective "customers" (basically one customer, Google).

One would logically assume that a "Collective" is a paid-for product of an undisclosed price.

Wouldn't this make the feature useless for much of open-source technology, that does not have a corporate backer behind?

The "feature" as conceived seems to exclusively limited to fully "owned" tags, where ownership would be fully uncontested. Which makes it non-viable for a vast majority of the content hosted here, present and future.

As someone that spends most of his time roaming the OSS side of technology, I'm less than excited about the feature. On itself, that's perfectly fine. No product is for everyone. My only concern is the impact this has in the rest of the Q&A ecosystem.

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    I had a similar concern, I was trying to determine if I should move my response to this thread instead. Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 17:38
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    Certainly seems like open source wouldn't be the primary target of this - but is that a big deal? Perhaps if this takes off they'll eventually have a way for not-for-profits to get a free version of this, if they're sufficiently notable, but for now it seems like it makes sense - this is a way for SO to monetize the companies that semi-outsource help to SO.
    – Joe
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 19:32
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    The problem seems to be a bit wider than Open Source. Take for instance C++: that's not Open Source, even though some C++ implementations are. There are corporate backers, such as Microsoft, but the one single entity that represents all of C++ would be ISO's SC22 WG21 ("the C++ committee").
    – MSalters
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 14:06
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    From the beginning, we have planned to include open source technologies. I have been championing this use case early and often throughout our journey. We spoke to multiple open source organizations as part of the user research. We have a very different pricing structure for open source organizations vs commercial and will continue to evaluate them on a case by case basis. Our goal with any open source collective is that there is enough content and dedicated individuals to support the collective to provide real value to users. (1/2)
    – Teresa Dietrich StaffMod
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 14:19
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    For Beta, we are working with a limited number of organizations to ensure we can successfully support them and to learn from these Collectives. We envision this feature becoming more widely available in the future. (2/2)
    – Teresa Dietrich StaffMod
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 14:19
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    @TeresaDietrich I don't think this needs championing. It just needs defining generally: how will it be decided who owns what?
    – Rob Grant
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 18:58
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    @TeresaDietrich "I have been championing this use case early and often throughout our journey" That's very reassuring. As I said here, it's imperative (IMHO) that Open Source projects be able to participate in Collectives™, if they want to. I can easily imagine people saying stuff like "You should use tech X, not tech Y. Tech Y doesn't even have a Stack Overflow Collective".
    – PM 2Ring
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 3:46
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    There's an awful lot of implementation bugs and other bugs that have come to light since the post was made public, along with moderation concerns. That a bug-riddled feature with unclear pricing and no regard for the moderation side-effects is received negatively is not particularly surprising. Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 8:22
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I do not like this. Not one bit.

The fundamental problem that I believe is being identified is that groups and organizations are leveraging Stack Overflow more and more as a common place of knowledge, which - to be perfectly fair - hasn't always been smooth, because of some fundamental shortcomings:

  • A misunderstanding of the place of Stack Overflow; some projects have leveraged Stack Overflow more as a forum or help desk in the past, and we've had to request that the Community team reach out to them to provide a firm smack upside the head gentle guidance on how to use the site
  • A lack of moderators or users who have sufficient reputation to moderate content, which would mean that low-quality content from a given project would still proliferate with the community-at-large having to pick up the slack
  • A very real tension between the projects and the community in those unfortunate cases in which the community does have to pick up the slack; we didn't encourage this and the company only provides maybe a bonk or two, but by that point we're already in the workflow of cleaning things up

This new feature doesn't address those concerns.

  • Stack Overflow is now officially the place to be for project support. Effectively now this will trigger a landslide of projects to come onto Stack Overflow in a sanctioned and blessed capacity, allowing them to set up here.

And even though you say that the standards of Q&A aren't changing...

  • This new feature does not bestow any of the admins or team members any new moderation privileges. Heck, one of the admins in this beta has a grand total of 1 reputation. Know what you can moderate with 1 rep? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

So you know what this means? You probably guessed it by now, but...

  • The tensions between the projects and community will continue and become more pronounced as this service rolls out wider and wider. Suddenly now we - the community at large - are being relied on as the principle backbone and value of Stack Overflow to do the work that is needed to help keep these Q&As clean and sane. We're all volunteers on this, but I don't feel that this respects that position.

More sharply, it feels like doing this would add more moderation burden on the community, and we're not getting any support from up above to help address this with this initial rollout. I don't think it was considered to begin with.

One olive branch you could offer is to allow the members of these collectives become empowered to moderate that content instead of just giving them a super-accept check mark.

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    "One olive branch you could offer is to allow the members of these collectives become empowered to moderate that content instead of just giving them a super-accept check mark." - But that relies on those members having some basic understanding of the rules and guidelines of SO including what's POB, what's on/off-topic, etc., which is a big ask, especially when as you highlighted yourself, they may have a single reputation point. Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 15:34
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    @Nick: Yes, you see the core issue. Users don't have a core understanding of the site or its rules and yet we are handing them a lot of influence and sway on the site. It isn't like any of the curators are benefiting from the major purchase of Stack Overflow - even though we were the ones who enabled it - and suddenly now we get to do this, too. Unless I'm actually being compensated for this, I don't want Stack Overflow to make this my problem.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 15:39
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    @Makoto It seems you see devils everywhere. Let's take a simple (not too) fictional example : a [COBOL] collective handled by the employees of the US Navy org. Maybe the "employee" term would not describe them perfectly, anyway it's highly probable that they will be necessarily already registered SO users for a (very) long time and used to the rules (and i guess they're also very efficient to enforce them). For ref., the US Navy org is also a kind of collective with apparently a better welcoming reputation than us on SO.
    – Zilog80
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 10:36
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    @Makoto Joke apart, the orgs behind the collectives should be smart enough to entitled employees that are already long time registered SO users.
    – Zilog80
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 10:37
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    @Zilog80 I see more devils than Makoto and for the most part they stem from one concept: Marketing. For the "customers" (which is no longer the userbase of SO) collectives are a marketing tool. Maybe they call themselves the Reach & Relevance. Either way, it's going to be about the customer gaining a larger audience. Perhaps SO will get better answers, though it seems there's been no lack of that in practice.The collective's "Admins" anointed by the customer are sure to be marketing types who likely have limited expertise in the daily use of the product and probably less knowledge of SO.
    – Chindraba
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 13:21
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    Correction: at 1 rep you can suggest edits (it's moderation by suggestion).
    – bad_coder
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 1:34
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    @Zilog80: I've only ever seen one devil - profitability. The whole network needs revenue to keep the lights on, and given the way that venture capital was raised, I don't think making this service a non-profit was ever a tenable option. So, revenue is needed. In the void of decisions clearly made for the good of the overall community, decisions or actions are taken that are presumed to be for the good of the company's long-term vitality. It's not a problem that lights need to stay on; what is the problem is that this comes at the effective loss of what made this place worth staying for.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 15:20
  • @Makoto I see your point. The effective problem is who the "sponsors" will grant a "recognized" token as it can undermine the moderation work. As it is, it is a hazardous/ perilous path, as we have no potential lever on it.
    – Zilog80
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 15:26
  • "projects have leveraged Stack Overflow more as a forum or help desk in the past" - For sure. My first thought here was the [wso2] tag, how their site linked to their tag on SO, and how that tag has basically become a dumping ground for poorly formed questions which rarely generate answers or upvotes. And even if they start a "collective" for it, how will that improve their consistently abysmal content?
    – Aaron
    Commented Jun 27, 2021 at 19:53
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    @Makoto It would be possible to run this as a non-profit open source operation. However, it is not. Profit isn't there just to keep the servers running but to make the stock holders rich. That's part of the deal of using the site - there will always be the ulterior profit motive and it will always be top priority. There will never exist any benevolent, community-friendly private companies that put the community over profit. If you want that, then use the open source, non-profit alternatives.
    – Lundin
    Commented Jun 28, 2021 at 8:43
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Allow the communities that have formed around specific technologies to engage with the people that are building and supporting those technologies.

I didn't know they could not. What was keeping them?

Increase the amount of high-quality content around tags related to a Collectives’ technology on Stack Overflow.

Why did they not do it in the past? SO is free for everyone, right?

Give technical employees of these organizations the tools to contribute their knowledge effectively to the Stack Overflow community.

They could have posted this knowledge in answers, just like the rest of us...

Provide organizations with a space on Stack Overflow where they can highlight and share relevant content.

I wasn't aware that sharing content on Stack Overflow was such a problem. I share a tag or two with Jon Skeet, I can positively attest that sharing amazing content is absolutely possible with the current tools.

I once wrote an answer in that tag about the internals of the garbage collector and someone came along and said "Well, when I wrote that garbage collector, my reasoning was..." and I thought wow, hot damn, what an amazing answer. It won't get more in-depth than this. So apparently, people are able to come here and contribute freely, even today, without this feature.

So... what exactly is this supposed to fix?

It seems you only do this to give paying customers an opportunity to promote their own content.

If you do want to sell out this way, don't coat it in a tech bubble. Just give the opportunity to everybody so random companies can have those recommendations. "This answer was recommended by McDonald's. I'm lovin' it.".

And give me a share of that money, I think I earned it. I do this for free to help the community, but I won't be someone's ad banner space without payment.

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    In the spirit of transparency, I'll note that I have deleted a handful of comments here indicating agreement with this answer. I also think it is a very good answer, but there is no reason to leave a comment stating that. That is what the upvote arrow is meant to show. Please limit yourself to comments only when you are adding something new to the answer, and/or when you are asking clarification questions or making suggestions for improvement. (We mods are trying to be judicious and fair in what comments we remove, if any, so please try to help us out by limiting unnecessary volume.)
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 26, 2021 at 3:58
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    I regularly see comments/answers from people involved in building C#. Their answers don't need corporate endorsement, or any kind of authority claim -- they stand on their own. After all any answer can be verified by testing.
    – John D
    Commented Jun 27, 2021 at 4:29
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    Upvoted, but-- My only problem with this answer is that I see no need to ask that they share their profits with their users. StackOverflow is a for-profit business. They made no promise to share profits with users. Every user chooses to use and contribute to the platform of their own free will because they receive value from doing so. If you aren't receiving enough value to warrant the effort you're putting into contributing, then contribute less. Asking them to send you a check is unreasonable and likely to make it harder for the company to take the rest of your recommendations seriously. Commented Jul 1, 2021 at 21:21
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I don't especially like this new feature. As a regular answerer and curator in the tag in fact I'm concerned about how the credibility of non-affiliated content will be impacted.

The question is:

  • Will I have to join the Collective for my answers to be valued the same as those of affiliated users?

In general, contributing as an answerer — and to a lesser extent as an asker — to Stack Overflow is already not easy. As reputation is the measure of the value of someone's contributions, new contributors that start at low reputation have to work hard to gain credibility.

But the good news is that so far Stack Overflow has been a place of great democracy, in the sense of "community governance". Crowdsourcing and the vote system as envisioned by the founders of this site is certainly not a perfect system, but it allows for a mostly equal playing field. Assuming that the majority of users vote fairly based on usefulness of content, by providing good informative content, one can build their reputation; their "credibility". A reputation confined to this site, but still... I'm pretty sure there're people out there who put a link to their SO profile in their resume. And anyway, this is rewarding for all parties involved.

As much as you can deny it, as much as you want to tell yourself that everyone is mature enough or trained enough to use this feature fairly, having additional gatekeeping and special ways to highlight "official" content and "official" users will have a psychological impact on those involved 1. And this means that, if I'm not affiliated, my content—that I craft as accurately as possible—will be worth less.

You are shifting control away from the community, you are defying its wisdom; making the process more opaque and more subject to the will of few.

Maybe an enlightened organization will not abuse this. But there will be those that do. And then all of us will be sad.

I hope to be proven wrong.

Besides, the visual effect of the Go Collective logo next to the question tags is hideous.


1: the meaning of this sentence is clarified in the comments

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    Your answers will show and be voted on just like any other answer regardless if you join the collective or not, you can keep interacting and gaining reputation on the tag just as before. As you wrote "Assuming that the majority of users vote fairly based on usefulness of content, by providing good informative content, one can build their reputation; their "credibility"" And that is true, but there are users who abuse reputation too (socks, voting rings, etc). And we deal with them. We do not want a client that abuses collectives either, and we'll talk with them if that happens too.
    – Cesar M StaffMod
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 21:41
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    @CesarM If I read the OP correctly, I have similar qualms. It's not so much about the paying customer company abusing the system as it is about regular users being swayed in their voting by the "official" stamp on an answer. I.e.: "If Google says this is the best answer, it must be the best." The banner on user cards for employees and "recognized" members can have similar weight. My, and probably the OP's, fear is the subconscious psychological impact such signals will carry rather than the conscious decisions of users to respond to the same signals.
    – Chindraba
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 0:14
  • @Chindraba Yes this is exactly what I mean
    – blackgreen Mod
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 7:54
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    @CesarM I know that technically the voting system won't change. You did your research and you know what the community will never tolerate. Chindraba clarified in the comment above. Placing an official stamp on someone else's profile is an instant devaluation of the contributions of all those who don't have it. They become primi inter pares by fiat and not by a democratic process. This has a benefit in giving cred to recognized professionals who happen to never use SO, but at the expense of those who built this website in the first place, day by day over the years.
    – blackgreen Mod
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 8:02
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    This depreciation of traditional SO reputation will probably not affect top scorers. Very high reputation will still command respect and credibility also next to those with company seals of approvals. Under a certain threshold though, who knows... This has the potential to close off SO to new contributors even more than it is today
    – blackgreen Mod
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 8:14
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    I was just bragging a couple weeks ago in the Meta of the community that I moderate about how "We have no deities here.". The fact the Stack Exchange doesn't place any special emphasis on contributors on a page -- an "equal playing field" as this answer says -- is how everyone can expect fair treatment. This new feature absolutely falsifies my statement. This means we have biasing mechanisms in the RX (researcher experience) beyond votes and ticks. My sympathies to non-collective users who will not have a shining beacon under their posts. Commented Jun 26, 2021 at 7:59
  • It's also worth mentioning: once SO gives this power to private, profit-seeking entities, those entities will never surrender it. You may think you can close the box again, but you're mistaken.
    – Tom
    Commented Jul 8, 2021 at 15:18
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You mentioned you don't want to create more work for moderators but didn't mention how moderators will actually interact with Collectives. Will moderators have the ability to make changes/review who has what powers within a Collective? E.g. if they need to edit/manage an article that has profanity or some sensitive information, can they do that? If they need to suspend a user who is the sole admin for a Collective, can they assign a new admin?

For posts, can moderators revoke any labels assigned by Collectives? Can they assign labels for Collectives to posts? (meaning, will they have the power to, not necessarily the authority)

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  • I'd suppose that these kinds of things are handled by Stack Overflow's sales team. Commented Jun 28, 2021 at 23:21
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    All moderator privileges for questions within a collective remain the same. Only the collective’s Recognized Members/Admins/Employees can add/remove the “Answer Recommend by” label to answers within their collective. Only Admins can change permission levels for members (ie. adding/removing the Recognized Member badge on a user card). (1/2)
    – Carrott StaffMod
    Commented Jun 29, 2021 at 13:24
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    For articles, all Admins of the collective have editing rights on all articles. The author of the article has the ability to edit their article. Additionally, the author can add any user (Recognized Members only for now) to the article who would get editing privileges. We’ve worked with customers to provide them with guidelines and help docs to ensure their expectations about community norms and rules are set. We plan to monitor this closely and revisit if any issues arise. (2/2)
    – Carrott StaffMod
    Commented Jun 29, 2021 at 13:24
  • @Carog can admins add users to get editing privileges? Commented Nov 22, 2021 at 17:38
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    @EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica Currently, Admins can only add users that are labeled as an Admin or Recognized Member. We're looking at expanding the editing permissions on articles with the upcoming tool (mentioned here) that will allow Members to draft and submit articles for inclusion in a collective. We plan to share more details about that tool and other changes included soon.
    – Carrott StaffMod
    Commented Nov 23, 2021 at 17:32
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Are there any plans to ensure that the Recognized Member titles are given out in a fair manner? Or is this totally up to the Collective owner?

I can easily see that answers from someone without a title will be considered less valuable in tags controlled by a collective. If a collective can deny membership just so, they could make it way harder to participate in a certain tag just because they don't like a certain user. Or because they are from some specific country/gender/religion.

In case of companies, I can also see that they deny membership to employees of competing companies. This would shift the focus from quality to political/commercial reasons.

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    While ultimately it is up to the admins, we onboard all clients and admin users to ensure they have proper guidance and training around the identification of Recognized Members and Recommended Answers. We intend to work closely with them as they use these and other features. That said, answer sorting does not factor in recognized members or recommended answers. Voting and accepted answers will continue to set the priority.
    – Cesar M StaffMod
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:36
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    Recognized Member titles have been given out in a fair manner. Anyone who paid SE 1.8 billion dollars got one. Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 19:17
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From collectives page, I've got an impression you are solving totally different issues compared to what you tell us here:

Find trusted answers, fast

Since when are answers from regular users, upvoted and accepted, not "trusted"? Should new visitors ignore other "non-trusted" answers from now on?

Stop testing multiple solutions to your questions

How is that possible to achieve? Will collectives buyers sign a contract with SO to ensure they maintain all their answers? How you can guarantee this statement?

Get product information in one place

There’s no need to review multiple tag pages

Really? Articles are going to replace all websites and SO will replace hotlines and everything? So naive, so not true.

Earn a Recognized Member designation from your favorite technology companies. See your answers recommended and check where you rank on the Collectives leaderboard.

Isn't a gold badge in tag enough? Doesn't high reputation mean a better experience with on-site tools? Will I get paid for answers once I am recognized? No?

I must say I am very negative about this. When you design ads you probably should think about other "users", whom you already have here...

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    meh, seems like most of the page is marketspeak - not sure there is any real meaning behind those claims
    – 0Valt
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 11:22
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    "How is that possible to achieve?" to me, this reads as "ignore answers from non-recommended from non-trusted users. So, anybody who isn't an employee is to be ignored. Unless they get the recommendation blessing.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 14:40
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    Thank you for posting these points. It saves me having to post an answer that references stackoverflow.com/…. This is a frank admission that the goal of these feature is to bias researchers away from non-collective / non-collective-approved answers and toward collective or collective-approved answers. Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 22:38
  • I think it's fair that SO need revenues. Instead of selling more ad space, they sell "trusted answers", like google search. I personally prefer collectives over 3 additional ads on the side bar. Commented Jul 6, 2021 at 2:19
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  1. What will be the legal requirements for organizations that want to "own" a collective? Is this only possible for registered companies or also for more loose groups like a group of developers working on an open source project?

  2. How is SO going to verify if the person who requests a Collective is really authorized to do so?

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    And will the "employee" nomenclature change for non-traditional Collectives, e.g. an open-source project or an informal group of users who are all experts in some tag or tag family?
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:40
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    Will the loose group of developers working on an open source project even have the funds to pay for a Collective?
    – PM 2Ring
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 22:15
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    @PM2Ring Depends on the pricing :D
    – BDL
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 7:49
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    There are no "legal" requirements, but the immediate use case for Collectives is for companies and not-for-profit organizations with multiple tags to be the sponsors of a collective, not to exceed one technology (e.g., Google Cloud vs Google). Our evaluation criteria are that the organization builds, supports, and has some level of authority over the technology. There is currently ongoing research on how we can utilize Collectives outside of this use case. If you are interested in participating in any future research, please sign up. (1/2)
    – Piper StaffMod
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 14:31
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    Signing up for Collectives isn't a quick process and involves many checks to ensure we are partnering with the correct people. (2/2)
    – Piper StaffMod
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 14:31
  • In connection with my previous comment, Teresa says here that "We have a very different pricing structure for open source organizations vs commercial and will continue to evaluate them on a case by case basis".
    – PM 2Ring
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 3:15
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    If this Collectives thing is successful, it's imperative (IMHO) that Open Source projects be able to participate in it, if they want to. I can easily imagine people saying stuff like "You should use tech X, not tech Y. Tech Y doesn't even have a Stack Overflow Collective".
    – PM 2Ring
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 3:24
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I was expecting an answer to the How part of this question upon clicking the i icon:

enter image description here

Not an instruction to simply check back.

Is this placeholder text? A mistake? Should this link to an actual answer to the question?

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    I just noticed the same thing, looks like you beat me to it, this sentiment (and lack of actual answer to the question on the landing page) mimics other concerns around costs and other elements and how it might be more difficult for open source communities to utilize the feature
    – Culyx
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 14:15
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    We’ve removed for now, as it’s a bit confusing given that currently all Collectives are being added by the team manually, we will update when we’ve got more to say about this part.
    – David Longworth Staff
    Commented Jul 12, 2021 at 10:08
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    @DavidLongworth: Why you didn't change the text you said in the comment that a Collective is added by the team manually. Is it a secret? Or else I find no reason of taking this banner down.
    – Nikolas
    Commented Aug 27, 2021 at 6:47
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I hold a bronze badge in Go,1 and I have to say I don't like this at all. It's just spam on my questions page, as it's on every single question:

spam

and all of them are just links to the same page.2 For now, it's just yet another thing that I need to add to uBlock Origin filters. If anyone wants to really see what Stack Overflow has become, here is my current list:

stackoverflow.com###announcement-banner
stackoverflow.com##.js-consent-banner
stackoverflow.com##.js-sidebar-zone
stackoverflow.com##.ps-fixed
stackoverflow.com##[href^="/collectives/"]
stackoverflow.com##[href^="https://stackoverflow.blog/"]
stackoverflow.com##[role="banner"]

  1. https://stackoverflow.com/help/badges/928/go?userid=1002260
  2. https://stackoverflow.com/collectives/go
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    To be fair, the go tag is on every single question, too. I agree though that seeing double is not a good thing.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:38
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    And if the question is tagged both [go] and [google-cloud], it looks like this. This is concerning. What if a question has 5 "Collective tags"?
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:44
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    Seems like an easy solution to this is to hide the go tag when there is also a collective with the same name? Then it's at least not more spammy...
    – Joe
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 19:36
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    or just, not attach fake collective tags to posts
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 19:39
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    @Joe The tag link is important to go to the explanation page, to see the "Learn more ..." link, to get the Tags Description on hover etc. I do not like it to vanish Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 9:41
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    Thanks for the rules for uBlock Origin. How can I remove the Collectives' widget from SO's home page as well? Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 10:45
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If I am not a member of a Collective, will I still see the banners applied by that Collective to answers and questions if I come across them organically?

Before we relied on the Stack Overflow community to tell us which answer is optimal through voting, but now there might be an explicit or unconscious bias towards what (for example) the GCP team thinks is "best".

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    Yes, the "Recommended answer" label and additional badges on user cards will be visible to all users, regardless of membership. However, this will not change the order of answers (still using votes and accepted answers).
    – Carrott StaffMod
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:05
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    @Carog Thanks for the clarification. I still worry about the powerful effect that such labels will have on the perceived usefulness of a question or answer. Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:20
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    I think it should only appear if you have joined/opted into a collective.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:39
  • @EkadhSingh Please join me in chat
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 20:54
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    I second the motion of @TylerH, it should be "opt-in" for registered users not in the "Collective". It's possible a random user might be interested in the collective, and its opinions about content. It's also likely, more so, that the average user actively does not want to be bothered with such crud. A good answer is good, regardless of some organizational support, or lack thereof. For unregistered users, search engine leads, keep it "on" so that the money spent by the sponsors gets them some ROI.
    – Chindraba
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 3:02
  • @Carog You say that now but SO has already started down the road of pay-to-play so why should we assume the Collective-recommended answer won't find its way to the top? To be fair, the userbase is mainly technical so I expect they'll verify whatever is posted as a response, but you have to understand that we're not overly trusting of the intentions behind this feature.
    – Woody1193
    Commented Sep 23, 2021 at 16:28
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    @Woody1193 I can't predict the future — unfortunately — so I cannot 100% guarantee that we would never do anything. I can however, tell you that we have no current plans for Collective-recommended answers to affect the sort order. Most (if not all) users we met with during the initial research agreed that we should not affect sort. Unless that opinion changes drastically with users (which would be researched and tested heavily), it won't be changing the sorting algorithm.
    – Carrott StaffMod
    Commented Sep 23, 2021 at 19:30
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Will the "employee" flag appear on all posts by the user or just those on the relevant tag(s)?

I can see that having it on all posts might get confusing.

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    The employee flag and the recognized member flag will appear only under relevant tags
    – Piper StaffMod
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:48
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    @PiperLawson thanks. I thought they probably would, but just wanted clarification.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:49
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    I can see this [both employees and recognised members] having massive repercussions for situations like FGITW, it's essentially endorsing a post when there can be equally good or better other posts. Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:50
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    @Nick the idea is to endorse the post by indicating it's by someone who knows what they're talking about. That's why I wanted the clarification over when the label would appear.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:51
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    @ChrisF Respectfully... gold badges are endorsements that people know what they're talking about, and they're regularly abused by some individuals, just hoping that this doesn't have a similar effect Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:53
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    @Nick Well I for one will be on the lookout for things like that. I was one of the mods they consulted over this feature and I was definitely looking at it with an eye to see how it would affect moderation etc.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:54
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    @ChrisF Then it sounds like we're in safe hands :p Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:55
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    Yes, but a lot of people are simple creatures - they see it's endorsed, therefore it must be correct and good, regardless of whether it is or not. I have a feeling this is gonna make it substantially harder for people to get into answering (read: making answer engagements harder), for both new users and old ones, at least on tags covered by collectives. Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:55
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    It's a good idea on paper, but it could have a fairly negative effect on individual answerers. We all know it's not exactly easy to get started as it is - whether that becomes harder with collectives is something we'll have to wait and see, but I personally consider it likely that it'll become harder for everyone who doesn't someone end up as an endorsed answerer fast. Being outcompeted by other answers of varying quality because of a semi-official endorsement is potentially bad, in my opinion. At least if it happens, which only time will tell. Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:58
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Was the character Question Hound (aka "This Is Fine Dog") included in the image on the Collectives landing page with the permission of creator KC Green?

Screenshot of Collectives landing page with Question Hound highlighted by a freehand red circle

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    Even if it wasn't, wouldn't that be KC Green's problem to deal with and not necessarily ours?
    – Makoto
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 17:27
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    From a legal standpoint, sure, though we're more than free to express displeasure with the company's ethics.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 17:44
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    Interestingly, the binary sequence 01110100 01101111 00101101 01100100 01101111 is 'to-do' in ASCII.
    – Sabito
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 18:30
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    Very good spot - we've removed the ok canine now.
    – David Longworth Staff
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 20:53
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There is really only one thing I want companies to do on Stack Overflow, and that is to have their experts answer questions here, especially those that wouldn't get an answer otherwise. The people that wrote the code and worked on a particular feature are often the ultimate experts on that topic. They can write answers that explain more about the general design and concepts beyond just the specific question. And for more specialized and narrow questions sometimes they're the only ones that actually know enough about how stuff works behind the scenes to answer at all.

Getting more of these experts on Stack Overflow would be a good thing. I'm not convinced this feature will do anything like that. And the commercial nature of this feature and the way it provides certain capabilities to employees of companies that pay for it sets up new potential conflicts with the community.

I think that going beyond Q&A and into something like articles is important for Stack Exchange sites, but I'm not hopeful this iteration of the idea will work well. It avoids the most difficult parts on how to curate them, how to organize collaboration and how to encourage and reward users that provide good content in that format. It's entirely up to the company whether to post good in-depth technical content or sales pitches.

I don't think the name is good, but I'm not good at naming things so don't take this feedback too seriously. It has strong associations to socialism or the political left to me, which creates a lot of dissonance when I know it's a commercial feature. My most cynical interpretation would be that it's a fitting name for a feature that is designed to let the masses work for big corporations for free.

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    "a feature that is designed to let the masses work for big corporations for free" I couldn't have said it better. What concerns me more than the name is that newly created Collectives sort of "hijacked" the existing questions and answers. The stats of a Collective, for one, is very misleading. This makes it sound like hundreds of thousands of questions were posted to that Collective (they were not!) and that the Collective itself has reached hundreds of millions of people in its (short) lifetime (it did not!).
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 6:21
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    Organization would probably have been a better name, I guess. It's more generic. Collective has connotations that do not go together with the other labels like admin or employee. Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 7:14
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    Yes, agreed on the associations. They really ought to have preempted it by revealing the thinking behind the name. It is close to the word collectivism, though they may have meant a hive mind. Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 12:53
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I am 100% in favor of attracting and motivating more professionals to engage as SMEs on Stack Overflow, but...

We already have thousands of users who are generating redundant content to farm rep points and boost their presence in this community.

Let's see these collective SMEs behave with real purpose and make optimal contributions.

Instead of having collective leaderboards which focus on number of answers posted and number of unicorn points earned, let's have smarter leaderboards. Show us positive curation metrics such as: flagged/voted/hammered duplicates, recommended answer stamps on non-collective users' answers, necro-edits, necro-answers, etc. These things help to improve/curate EXISTING content instead of feverishly generating new content.


I have another concern on collective user behaviors -- being that so many askers deem question closure as a punishment / not welcoming, how likely are these company representatives going to be to flag/vote to close and downvote questions that should be closed/downvoted? I have a feeling that they will be "too soft" about upholding quality standards.

By not being part of the solution, they risk being part of a pre-existing problem.

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The "Collective" indicator seems to show up as an additional tag in the tags section:

a [go] question with two [go] tags

  1. Will this affect how we tag questions or the number of tags we can apply?

  2. Will we be able to choose not to affiliate our question with a collective that is associated with those tags? E.g. if I want to ask a "Go" question but am not interested in the "Go Collective"'s input.

    Maybe there is a Collective (or just some active individuals in that Collective) that have garnered a reputation for being wrong, or pushing low-quality/harmful work.

    To be clear, I don't mean a way to turn off Collective features for me, I mean a way to block Collective interaction with my post, on a per-post basis.

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    1. The number of tags remains the same (up to 5). How a question is tagged has not changed. If a tag is part of a collective, the collective’s logo will also be displayed with the question. That question would also appear within the list of questions on the collective page. Similar to how that same question would also appear in the list of questions on tag's page.
    – Carrott StaffMod
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 14:17
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    2. No, any question that has a tag associated to a collective will automatically be associated to that collective. Anyone on Stack Overflow can answer a question, that includes members of a collective and non-members. Contributions to a post will not be restricted based on their role type in the collective. Any user with the minimum amount of rep needed can also add comments and edits to a post.
    – Carrott StaffMod
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 14:17
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I'm struggling to understand how collectives is going to help me as a user searching for answers.

The recommendation/recognition system, if working as intended, is going to be effectively serve as another accept. Now suppose I came here to solve a problem, and I'm faced with

  • the most upvoted answer
  • the accepted answer
  • the recommended answer
  • the answer by the recognized member

What do I do?

If they are the same answer, then the system added nothing. If they aren't, they serve to confuse. How does this improve upon the voting system?

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    That's a good point, and it's part of the reason why I think this Collectives thing should be something that's is completely separated from the regular questions (which, of course, will never happen).
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 11:46
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    You could probably use a combined measure of trust. For example count accepted and recommended answers as 10 extra upvotes each. Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 12:19
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    @Trilarion How is the user supposed to know how much each is supposed to mean for every different question? Why doesn't the UI reflect that trust?
    – Passer By
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 12:50
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    What do you want, a percentage that tells you how much you can trust an answer? Or a factor that tells you how much better one answer is than another. Or something else? Already now there is a problem how to interpret scores. With the new features it becomes even harder and may just lead to confusion but it's also possible that a combined measure would be statistically more precise and accurate as a measure of quality. Doesn't have to be though. Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 12:55
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    ...and when one answer has all four of these metrics then we have excessive/unnecessary confirmation -- snopes.com/tachyon/2016/05/… Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 22:50
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I'm concerned about the "paywall" aspect of this, presumably Google is forking over money for Collectives. I'm hoping that doesn't change any expectations involving SO standards; for example if a recognized user is posting answers that border on advertisements and/or spam we won't see SO coddle those answers at the expense of the communities expectations of what should happen to that kind of content.

In all other cases I'd expect community driven moderation to manage this just fine, but now there's some cash perhaps tipping the scales in ways we can't see.

This just feels like the "News" equivalent of sponsored content

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    There's no change in our standards, the community can vote to close/delete and make edits as usual - this is not a way to bypass community moderation or force advertisement/spam onto the platform.
    – Cesar M StaffMod
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 17:12
  • I don't see any paywall aspect mentioned in the announcement. Are you imagining the company will start hiding Collective-labeled content behind a paywall?
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 18:26
  • @TylerH no, bad wording I suppose, more that they'll value the input/votes of companies that pay for Collectives over the community itself.
    – Culyx
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 18:37
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    @Culyx a core tenet throughout this initiative was to make sure we don't disrupt the existing Q&A model, including the content standards we have in place. We set very clear expectations with organizations around what's allowed vs. off-topic, and we've had training sessions and shared guidelines with their teams prior to launch. +1'ing what Cesar said, this isn't a way to force advertising or bypass our standards.
    – Puneet Mulchandani StaffMod
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 13:33
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Unlike on question and answers, it's not possible to click on the score of an article to view the upvotes and downvotes. Was this intentional or will such a feature be added to articles in the future?

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    This was not intentional and likely a symptom of porting over from teams, which does not include downvoting in their articles. I have logged the bug with the team. Thanks for bringing it up.
    – Piper StaffMod
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 13:32
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    @PiperLawson Thanks for replying. I've marked the answer with the relevant tags. Feel free to edit if/when needed.
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 13:36
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    Interesting that the buttons are so different from normal up- and downvotes, as if they signify something different. And the size of the buttons seems to indicate they are much more important than the score itself.
    – Scratte
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 17:17
  • @Scratte I don't know if it's the same in Teams (never used it) but based on Piper's comment above, it could be the case. I do agree though that the font size of the score is too small compared to the size of the buttons. I think it's even smaller than the body's font size. Maybe this should be posted as a separate bug/feature-request.
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 18:05
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    @Scratte: That bothers me as well. And there are a number of other variations in the design that set these apart from normal Q&A. I can see arguments for and against that—they are, after all, not Q&A, so distinguishing them in some way seems useful. As is, however, a lot of those changes (such as the location of metadata) seems arbitrary, while other changes (such as the voting buttons) fall into an uncanny valley of being just off enough that it feels like a mistake. If there are going to be design differences, I'd rather them be more deliberate and pronounced. Commented Jun 29, 2021 at 19:03
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    @JeremyCaney I've heard that it's been under development for a year. But despite the long time used for this, it seems there are more than a few bugs. I expect the reason is that some elements are built from the ground up (along with someone forgetting to test it).. which strikes me as an odd choice, since the entire "feature" intermingles with regular posts, as in banners, tags and user acknowledgements.
    – Scratte
    Commented Jun 29, 2021 at 19:18
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I am very skeptical of this initiative. To me, it sounds like it is turning SO into a combination of a promotion platform and a support platform for companies. Worse, the work is—to a large extent—done for free by SO users. This really has a bad smell.

Today, we have a close reason that says:

Seeking recommendations for books, tools, software libraries, and more This question is likely to lead to opinion-based answers.

But now, SO is to become a platform for promotion of specific tools. That's bad.

I hope the fate of this initiative will be the same as the long gone "Documentation" initiative.

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    You have a point here but "now, SO is to become a platform for promotion of specific tools" in and of itself is not really a bad thing. I mean it's not like SO didn't have ads before or things like sponsored tags. The problem is the potential for those companies to be more involved in the content creation/curation process that ends up affecting the quality. Not merely the fact that they're paying to be promoted.
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 7:46
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On the profile page (both when seeing other user's profile and my own) there is a prominent "Invite to Collective" button.

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No idea what's supposed to do, but it doesn't do a thing.

if this is not the place to report bugs regarding the beta launch, I'll just delete this quietly

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    Thanks for letting us know! That shouldn't be there. We're fixing it.
    – JD-Stack Staff
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:52
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    That is not a button for you. it is meant for those that want you to be part of their collective. If no-one clicks that button you're not of enough value to any collective. I feel we need a collectables collective where those without a collective can find support.
    – rene
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:52
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    But I want to be part of my collective, @rene. My collective is the for the ones outside other collectives, and that have trouble understanding the usefulness of the feature.
    – yivi
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:53
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    Kewl. I can be in your collective then! Where we can be both annoying ;)
    – rene
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 13:57
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    @VLAZ Yeah, we can call it the Collective Front of Judea
    – adiga
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 14:57
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My reaction to the feature is somewhere between "meh" and "yeah nah". My main reaction to the rollout however is "lol". You're telling me that SE worked together with Google, created the collectives 6 weeks ago, and all these two paragons of computer technology managed to prepare in these 6 weeks was 10 "recommended" answers and a handful of selected members in each collective? Not even a single article written ahead of time? Not even taking the time to go over the top 1k (or just top 200) questions of the tags and recommending everything of value? This doesn't exactly inspire confidence that Google will be a good steward for these collectives, which in return does not inspire confidence in the feature.

At the time of writing this, there's now a single article in the cloud collective (from a Google employee), which reads like an answer to an unstated question. It consists of a two-sentence introduction followed by code, and doesn't exactly feel like an "article" - for that, I'd expect a decent introduction that explains what kinds of real-world situations this code applies to or what problems it solves. To call this high-quality content would be quite a stretch, thus the goal of being better than SO.docs by restricting the articles to a selected group of users seems to have failed already...

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    Let's wait and collect a larger sample of articles before it should be declared a success or a failure. On the other hand, quality of the content of the articles will be a key factor in the decision. Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 12:59
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    @Trilarion well, a big part of this answer is me saying you had at least 6 weeks to prepare and have literally nothing to show for it. Followed by the fact that the first thing they actually have to show is... not garbage, but far from high quality. I don't need to wait to say that this is a very bad rollout. It might get improved, but if the day-1 reaction to a new feature is "well let's wait if it gets better", that's pretty bad in my book.
    – l4mpi
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 13:06
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    I agree. I just looked at the one currently existing article and it was quite short, even shorter than a good typical answer in Q&A. I commented on it. Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 18:22
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What is an "endorsed edit"? This seems like just too much, both in terms of what value this new feature has and in terms of noise for viewers/readers. What value could endorsing an edit provide? Take this example:

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The user added a tag. Is the edit so valuable/high quality that it deserves an "endorsement"?

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  • Do you have a link to that rev. page?
    – zcoop98
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 14:14
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    @zcoop98 stackoverflow.com/posts/68106939/revisions It showed the "google employee" Collective flair under the user's name under the post where "last edited by" exists. Check out another one of their revisions from their profile to see it still live somewhere.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 14:15
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    Found one; that's really funky. The "Notice added" event is in both the revisions list and the timeline, but doesn't appear to actually show up as a visible post notice. My guess is that it was simply a way for SE to indicate that a given edit was performed by a recognized collective member/ employee using the current revision and timeline system (regardless of whether the edit is substantial). It's definitely weird to me to use "Notice added/ removed" events even though no actual post notice seems to exist.
    – zcoop98
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 14:32
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    Maybe the endorsement was initiated by the editor himself? Kind of: "trust my edit, behind me is the might of the collective". Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 15:38
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    Do all of the edits that Frank makes to posts with the tags corresponding to the Google Cloud Collective carry this "Endorsed Edit" annotation? (I.e., is the system adding it automatically to everything he does because he's an "official" representative of the collective?) Or is it something that he has to manually indicate each time? UPDATE: There seems to be a bug in the implementation of this feature, already reported: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/408778
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 26, 2021 at 4:01
  • @CodyGray I would assume yes: e.g. if the question has a collective tag, then any post in the thread last edited by Frank is going to show that label...
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 28, 2021 at 14:51
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How will recommended answers affect .... and the rep system? ... In terms of rep: it will have no effect on the reputation you get from answers.

For sure it will. A "recommended answer" tag will be a big sign drawing attention to that specific answer. Consequently, it will gain more upvotes than other answers. The "Recognized Member" badge will do the same.

I have no doubt that these two concepts will impact the rep system.

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When doing a search for a collective's posts, please don't list all of the tags that they own, searching for: collective:"Google Cloud" gives:

Results tagged with google-cloud-python or google-cloud-pubsub or google-cloud-dlp or google-app-engine-launch or google-app-engine-python or google-cloud-cpp or google-cloud-recommendation or google-cloud-vision or google-app-engine-go or google-cloud-data-transfer or google-cloud-automl or google-cloud-datastore or google-cloud-endpoints-v2 or google-cloud-sdk or google-data-studio or google-cloud-storage or google-cloud-asset-inventory or google-cloud-url-maps or google-container-registry or google-cloud-monitoring or google-cloud-filestore or google-cloud-memorystore or google-cloud-data-fusion or google-bigquery or google-cloud-tools or google-cloud-healthcare or google-cloud-talent-solution or google-cloud-profiler or google-cloud-dataflow or google-cloud-identity or google-cloud-print or google-cloud-console or apigee or google-cloud-pubsublite or google-cloud-language or google-cloud-load-balancer or google-migrate-for-compute-engine or google-cloud-network-load-balancer or dialogflow-es-fulfillment or google-cloud-composer or google-cloud-test-lab or google-app-engine-patch or google-cloud-api-gateway or google-cloud-http-load-balancer or google-cloud-identity-aware-proxy or google-cloud-armor or google-cloud-visualstudio or google-prediction or dialogflow-es or google-container-optimized-os or google-cloud-vpn or google-cloud-repository or google-cloud-nl or google-cloud-internal-load-balancer or google-cloud-ai or firebase-realtime-database or google-cloud-tasks or google-cloud-debugger or google-cloud-ml or google-cloud-search or dialogflow-cx or google-cloud-marketplace or google-cloud-ml-engine or google-cloud-tpu or google-cloud-intellij or google-cloud-powershell or google-cloud-datalab or google-cloud-sql or bigtable or apigee-baas or google-cloud-firestore or google-cloud-stackdriver or google-app-engine-golang or google-cloud-iot or google-cloud-dns or google-cloud-automl-nl or google-cloud-spanner or google-cloud-dataproc or google-cloud-node or gcloud or google-app-engine-deploy or google-container-os or google-cloud-error-reporting or google-cloud-php-client or google-cloud-iam or google-cloud-source-repos or google-cloud-translate or google-app-engine or google-cloud-scheduler or google-dataflow or google-cloud-functions or google-cloud-code or google-cloud-logging or google-cloud-speech or google-cloud-launcher or google-cloud-spanner-emulator or google-kubernetes-engine or google-cloud-robotics or google-analytics-firebase or google-compute-engine or google-cloud-bigtable or google-cloud-trace or google-cloud-messaging or google-anthos or google-cloud-print-privet or google-container-builder or google-cloud-networking or google-fusion-tables or google-cloud-billing or google-cloud-metrics or google-cloud-ai-platform-pipelines or google-cloud-proxy or google-cloud-resource-manager or google-cloud-platform or google-cloud-shell-editor or google-cloud-kms or google-cloud-interconnect or google-cloud-router or google-cloud-build or google-cloud-run or google-cloud-shell or google-cloud-endpoints or google-cloud-save or google-cloud-registry or google-cloud-pubsub-emulator or google-cloud-instance-template or google-cloud-speech-boost or google-cloud-webrisk or google-cloud-storage-r or google-cloud-cdn or google-app-engine-php or google-cloud-dataprep

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    That's a big tag list. The tags on that page fill my entire screen and then some. I do like being able to see all tags that are part of a collective, but there's gotta be a better way than this.
    – zcoop98
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 22:39
  • Wildcards. Use 'em: [google-cloud-*]
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 3:17
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    @CodyGray I mean sure but then why be able to search by collectives at all? Your wild card ain't inclusive enough anyway, what about Google container? Or Google app? Or Google fusion? Or Google dataflow? Or Google migrate? Or apigee? Google Kubernetes?.... ;) Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 3:22
  • "google cloud cdn app engine netflix samsung kubernets apigee dataflow" should be on there... :p.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 3:27
  • You can then search by wildcards yourself...
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 5:06
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    so... it is actually possible to make long queries? :) How about them also working on removing the query length limit (if URL length limit is a concern, then the query could be send in the payload instead)
    – 0Valt
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 6:20
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    I appreciate you tagging this as a [feature-request] cause that assumes a deliberate choice ;). It is a bug though. It shouldn't show all the tags. We're working on fixing it :)
    – JD-Stack Staff
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 9:29
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    This has been fixed in the meantime!
    – zcoop98
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 15:55
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    @zcoop98 Yep, now the only problem is it doesn't show additional tags: i.sstatic.net/7TjWg.png, but i can live with that Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 15:59
  • @AlizaBerger Perfect, the results for that are exactly what i'd expect them to be now, thanks! Commented Jun 28, 2021 at 18:32
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Are the "12 moderators and high-rep Meta users" still bound by the NDA?

Or is it possible that they post candid answers here about their experience participating in this product discovery, and what are their thoughts on the result that was launched today?

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    Undo commented on the other post with their experience. So I think they aren't bound by the NDA anymore.
    – Sabito
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 19:51
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    We're not going to say who these users were to respect their privacy - however, if they want to talk about their experiences, they can (like Undo did). I'm working on getting an official answer regarding the NDA.
    – Cesar M StaffMod
    Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 21:46
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Not sure if it has been addressed already, can there be more than one collective for any given tag? Could there be competing collectives? Could multiple collectives recommend the same or different answers to a single question?

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    If the first is no, how is it decided which competing collective would get a given tag? Highest bidder? Commented Jun 23, 2021 at 21:53
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    For example: GitHub (Microsoft) and GitLab could be their own collective/org. They have specific tags (for instance: github-action vs. gitlab-ci for pipelines). Would they share the "git" tag? (the common version control tool they both use)
    – VonC
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 6:40
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    @yivi Just want to know. But even if there is only 1 collective per tag, it might still be more than one collective per question if a question has tags from more than one collective. Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 8:11
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    @Trilarion The scenario of more than one collective per question already happens. Having Google as customer with Google Cloud and Golang as "collectives", it's not particularly difficult for it to happen. I guess the maximum is 5 collectives per question.
    – yivi
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 8:14
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    Technically a tag could be associated with two Collectives, but this would be extremely rare (random example: [google-maps-sdk-ios]). Which tags will and will not be associate with a Collective is defined by whether the organization builds, supports, and has authority over a particular subject. So in the example of Git, I don't think this applies to any organization (like @yivi describes). Multiple collectives can recommend the same (and different) answers, this would be a more likely situation when a question has tags that are associated with different Collectives.
    – JD-Stack Staff
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 9:46
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Will the revision history or timeline of a post include information about which user applied which label to a post that is contained within a Collective? Will rollbacks revert those label applications?

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    The “Answer recommended by'' label is meant to be seen as a recommendation from the organization, not just a single user. At this time, we do not plan to add additional information within the revision history to show which specific user added the label. If future research suggests a need for it, we will revisit. Rollbacks do not revert a label being added to an answer. Only the collective’s Recognized Members/Admins/Employees can add/remove the “Answer Recommend by” label to answers within their collective.
    – Carrott StaffMod
    Commented Jun 25, 2021 at 18:25

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