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This post is a copy of Time to say goodbye - one less moderator with some customisations for Stack Overflow.

At the writing of this post I am running in the 12th moderator election and am a moderator and the second highest ranking contributor on Pets. I have previously been an elected moderator on Stack Overflow in 2018 and stood down for personal reasons. After which there was a new moderator reinstatement process and I was declined reinstatement due to the object of two or more moderators and certainly not a majority, despite the step down being temporary and the expectation by the community team and moderators I'd return in the new year. I'm not happy about this process, nor Monica's inability to fairly appeal her removal. The process is deeply flawed.

I'm leaving the network. I've requested to have my accounts deleted and want to move on with my life. I no longer enjoy this network. Not so much this site, but Stack Overflow and Meta Stack Exchange.

I am leaving this note here, as there's so many lovely people here and I owe them an explanation.

I was a founding member of Pets and have first joined Stack Overflow in 2012 and it has been interesting.

I no longer believe in the ethos of the company and I do not like how the Meta sites are run on Stack Overflow and Meta Stack Exchange. Very little has changed since I first joined the network in 2012 despite having a rigorous Code of Conduct. It seems to be applied subjectively. I also do not want to continue making voluntary contributions to a site that makes money off the back of those contributions and does little to support the contributors.

I hope you, all your loved ones and all your pets are healthy and safe during these strange global times.

Thank you for giving me the honour to serve you on this site. It's been a mixture of pleasure and pain, but there are no regrets. Thank you to all my supporters and I'm sorry to let you down. It's time to live a life with my family and pets. Focusing on things that are rewarding without undue stress. I do understand I make the contact on meta more complex, but I cannot seem to extricate myself from this cycle and no longer care to keep trying. I just want to move on.

I will participate on Codidact and hopefully we can start a pets site, as I do enjoy that type of participation. I just don't want to be part of this network.

So 75,000 flags handled later, I bid you all goodbye.

Take care xx

Love,
all our horses, dog and cats.
neigh neigh, woof, meow purr.

NOTE: Yvette's account was suspended at her request

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    So long, and thanks for all the fish. Enjoy your life free of the chains of SO/SE. Brightest Blessings.
    – Chindraba
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 15:23
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    You and I have never interacted before, but I've read much of what you've done in the past as a moderator, and how you've carried yourself in other spaces. Losing you is losing a very, very passionate user, and I seriously wish you all the best as you handle your IRL issues. Good luck, Yvette!
    – Spevacus
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 15:26
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    I'm logging out from this site now and wont' be back. I'll be on Pets a little longer. I've left enough breadcrumbs for those who want to stay in touch to follow. Take care all.
    – user3956566
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 15:26
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    @Spevacus the irony is I've put in a lot of hours - as have others, but probably a lot more than my critics will ever realise and how many flags were handled. There's only 3-4 mods who consistently handle flags and they take the weight of the entire team and I was one of them. There is one mod who comes and goes without telling us for very long periods. Will handle loads of flags, then nothing. I handled more flags in my 18 months as mod than the majority of mods in years. They will be hard pushed to keep mods who will last the distance. They will stay as mods, but actually don't handle flags.
    – user3956566
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 15:29
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    And you shipped this out on a Friday too! :) Stay well, if you do decide to return keep the username, it would be impossible to camouflage your personality and distinctive style. All the best.
    – Mari-Lou A
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 17:43
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    I'm sorry that this is how it ended, but I hope that this will turn out to be a good thing for you. I know that when I finally stepped back from SE it was a good thing for me. The lack of drama is a little weird at first, but you get used to it after a while :)
    – ColleenV
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 18:52
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    A conversation about meta-issues surrounding this announcement, including its featuring and tagging, has been moved to chat. Please, let's keep comments here directly relevant to Yvette, her decision to leave, and celebrating her lasting accomplishments/contributions to the site.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 20:20
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    I don't get it. Why would you go through all the trouble of reinstatement and nominations just to back out again? Is it because you didn't think you stood a chance based on your questionnaire score? FWIW I wanted you back on the team with all your experience as you'd help ease the burden from day one (which is why you were one of my choices) but I see you are running away again. I'm truly disappointed but at the same time wish you the best with whatever you do.
    – cs95
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 20:50
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    @cs95 because I'm tired of the crap. It hasn't taken long to feel the stress of meta and I don't want to live through it any more. I don't need it. These people who accuse me of making drama, but are the ones making the noise on the site with comments and posts will have no say in my life and that's a good thing. I have better things to do. As for being elected, who knows who will be elected. No one knows. I always did badly in the questionnaire, it's not connected to the election results.
    – user3956566
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 20:57
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    I don't blame you and have expressed my surprise that you were willing to sacrifice your time and energies again to this site when there was so much else that needed your direct and focused attention. I personally will miss you and all our interactions here and on other sites. You have a wonderful and beautiful spirit and a love of what you do, one that is contagious. I do wish you, your family, and of course, your horses, good health, a good roof, good food &feed and safety from those who wish you harm. Please contact those of us who care about you from time to time to let us know you are OK Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 21:29
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    @CodyGray the moderation you've done on this post is the most supported I've ever felt by you, in fact probably the only time I've felt support from you. Thank you. It's a good way to end things. Take care. I've asked Catija to suspend my account and change the username until it can be deleted. Bye
    – user3956566
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 22:36
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    75k flags is really a lot, probably hundreds of hours given to the community, that seems to have developed into a wrong direction in your eyes. Nevertheless, thanks for all the hard work and all the best in the future on codidact or elsewhere. Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 12:47
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    I don't understand. A few weeks ago you were willing to give it another shot and now you're not happy with SO. What happened?
    – Mast
    Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 16:05
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    @Mast Can only guess from the outside - there have been 2 groups around Yvette: One which supports her, and an other who is, let's say, very critical of her. Things get nasty. Members of one group flag everything the other group does that relates to Yvette, comments either as unfriendly or unkind, or as no longer needed (depending on the group). Moderators have to step in, deleting comments. People ask about deleted comments. In the middle is Yvette, who just want her old position back - which was promised at the time she left. Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 16:41
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    I don't think either "side" is closely tied to any specific side in the broader "company" vs "community" debate, same as Yvette hasn't neccessarily been directly on the side of SE even in the cases where she acted seemingly against the "community". It's quite a heterogenous conflict. She is simply a rather polarizing character who carries her strong personality rather expressively, you either like that or you find it inappropriate. Commented Jul 20, 2020 at 16:49

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Shoot, I'll make my comment an answer

Yvette, I don't blame you for what you are doing and as you know, have expressed my utter surprise that you were willing to sacrifice your time and energies again to this site when there was so much else that needed your direct and focused attention. I personally will miss you and all our interactions here and on other sites. You have a wonderful and beautiful spirit and a love of what you do, one that is contagious. I do wish you, your family, and of course, your horses, good health, a good roof, good food & feed, and safety from those who wish you harm.

Please contact those of us who care about you from time to time to let us know you and your family are OK

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    yeh, I've left social media, we need another way of contact, you've been a good friend and it's been interesting to know you also. My daughter and I are starting a new life and as you know my health is not real good. I think I will live longer if I leave the site to be completely honest. I was happy to handle flags, but the meta stress is just not worth it. We've had a lot of change in our lives and we are moving into a much better life and walking away from undue stress. Take care my friend xo
    – user3956566
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 21:35
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    It didn't take long for the reality of the stress of meta to bring back memories and the break did me well, as I don't want it anymore and it had become assimilated as normal until the break. Take care also through this covid, it's strange times and the world is in crisis.
    – user3956566
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 21:37
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    I am sorry to see you go Yvette, and hope you can read new comments to you, even though your accounts are now locked. You demonstrated a passion and a humaneness for helping people on the network through moderation activity and policy lobbying, and I do not doubt that some of the conversations have been exhausting. I don't doubt that you have been relieved of a burden, and I wish you good health and happiness for the future. You will be missed.
    – halfer
    Commented Jul 19, 2020 at 7:36
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You’ve been an important part of this network for many years and instrumental in keeping the quality of our content high. Thank you for that effort! The number of flags you've handled is impressive and worthy of respect. You've also worked very hard to guide users on how to be successful. It's good to know that you'll be taking time to focus on your family life and your pets. We respect your decision to step down and wish you a very restful and stress-free future! In time, we hope to see you around the network too. Please know that your contributions here will not be forgotten.

We've rarely needed to remove someone mid-election and don't have a built-in way to do it but we wanted to respect your request - we've edited your nomination to note that you've been withdrawn and inform voters that they can update their selections in the election. Fortunately, the Single Transferable Vote (aka STV) method we use is robust because it allows voters to rank their top candidates rather than only a single choice and OpaVote supports withdrawing candidates when processing ballots.

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    Thank you. I will be glad to have it over. It makes me sick and I will not miss it to be honest.
    – user3956566
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 21:10
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    There has to be some way of notifying SO users that Yvette's nomination has been withdrawn. If not for following the featured post, I would not have known and my vote would have been lost.
    – Boaz
    Commented Jul 21, 2020 at 12:20
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    @Boaz Perhaps the featured post is the way of notifying SO users... :-)
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jul 21, 2020 at 20:52
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    @CodyGray With two days left for the elections, I suspect many votes are still cast for Yvette. The site has a special alert shown at the top in some scenarios. Why not use it? These elections are already not a huge success, with very few candidates and now the most qualified of them leaving.
    – Boaz
    Commented Jul 21, 2020 at 21:02
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There's not much else that I can really say without it going too far in one direction or another, but at the minimum...

  • I'm glad that you're deciding to take care of yourself. If it means that you don't want to do what is easily the most thankless job around these parts, then that's perfectly acceptable to me.
  • I'm glad that you're willing to accept that you don't want to be a moderator, and I will let your reasons be your own.
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    Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jul 17, 2020 at 22:25
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    This response could be improved, without going too far in one direction or another, by thanking Yvette for her work as an SO moderator.
    – jpp
    Commented Jul 21, 2020 at 7:52
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I really regret seeing you go.

I especially liked seeing your contributions on meta. You clearly cared strongly for this community, and freely shared your opinion, which was often distinct from what had been shared before. The voting system on meta seems to promote groupthink, so I strongly value different views, even when I might not agree with them.

You also brought a human side to meta and to moderation, and promoted informal communication through chat on meta when it was needed, while still moving an enormous amount of work on flags and moderation.

I fully support you choosing your own well-being, and hope you and all your animals are well. I don't think we'll ever quite find another moderator like you, but hope you inspired others to share their opinion even when it might not be the most popular one, and consider the human side to their action and who they impact.

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It is very much a shame to see a good senior user and moderator go. I mostly lurk on meta but have seen the good work and discussion you have created in the community.

That being said, and I will be blunt, unless something has radically changed between the beginning of the moderator election and now, I feel that your entering the election was disingenuous. As someone who was going to vote for you, I feel somewhat betrayed. Thankfully the flexibility of the voting allows for us to change. If not, I would be very frustrated, as my vote would have been completely lost. If you felt this strongly about things, the correct thing would have been to not enter the election, or to at least make clear your candidacy as protest, like CrazyPython.

I do not intend for this to be mean, simply to voice an opinion that others may share. I hope your efforts in other communities are successful.

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    "my vote would have been completely lost" - no. Your vote would move to your second preference. Commented Jul 20, 2020 at 15:51
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    If there were four people I considered to be good candidates for moderator, and I cast a vote for someone who dropped out, that vote is gone. My fourth candidate does not get my vote. This is not hypothetical. Not everyone visits meta frequently and may not be aware of this change before the election ends.
    – code11
    Commented Jul 20, 2020 at 15:56
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    But something awful could have happened in the real world after the beginning of the moderator election. We don't know. Commented Jul 20, 2020 at 16:06
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    @code11: No, you can change your votes as many times as you want up until the end of the election, including the order and removing a vote for Yvette. Commented Jul 20, 2020 at 16:10
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    @Peter Mortensen - "something awful could have happened in the real world after the beginning of the moderator election" - quite right, we should certainly give the benefit of the doubt. But that doesn't change code11's point, because they said "unless something has radically changed between the beginning of the moderator election and now".
    – Tim
    Commented Jul 21, 2020 at 9:49
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I really enjoyed your contributions. I was using another account (whusky_live66). I’m pretty sure you forgot me, but you helped me and my pet really much.

I came back to this site for the coding section and I just saw your post as suggestion.
I’m only sad to see that this site is losing one of his best contributors.

I hope you have better time with your loved ones :) (my Whisky is dead since 2018/10/22... But you helped me and her with your great advice :D and other users helped me too, but you were always with the best advice :) I did take care on the best way until I couldn’t more sadly enough.

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    Are "whusky" and "Whisky" two different things in this context (it could be a real typo)? Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 20:17
  • No my dogs name was Whisky lol it is a Husky but I (and my partner) thought Whisky would be a cool name you know :D
    – LeventHAN
    Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 20:49
  • Just to add more clarity my username was whUsky because I thought otherwise it would be a littlebit repulsive :)
    – LeventHAN
    Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 20:53
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Very little has changed since I first joined the network in 2012 despite having a rigorous Code of Conduct. It seems to be applied subjectively.

What,

  • the code of conduct didn't help things?
  • the code of conduct was misused and applied in a problematic fashion?

why, I am shocked. Shocked and chagrined. However could this be? If only we had been forewarned this might happen...

Anyway, I didn't have much interaction with Yvette, but I'm sad to see a moderator leave in these circumstances.

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    – Cerbrus
    Commented Aug 3, 2020 at 7:10
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It is late now since you are now suspended but I do hope you read this. I read your posts on Pets.SE and I do see you as a very passionate person -- someone who cares.

Your technical answers there are quite informative and polite.

Please reconsider your decision of leaving the whole network and stay on Pets.SE.

Everyone is not suited to every role but I never wanted you to leave the whole network. There are some things you are excellent at and I have seen that in your writings on Pets.SE.

Your efforts and dedication at Pets.SE will be missed.

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    I am just an average user, don't know what goes on in moderator circles. I was just reading this out of curiosity. But I have to wander about the -14 votes here. What's with that? I am guessing this does not "answer" anything, but this is one of those strange goodbye "questions". Still the other "answers" got up to +50 votes... Curious Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 11:04
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    @code_fodder - The person who posted this answer was fairly critical of Yvette in recent days. I imagine the downvotes are from people who followed the going ons on meta in the the last week and find this post disingenuous. Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 11:29
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    @StoryTeller-UnslanderMonica tells a lot about people when they shoot the messenger even when the message is positive and constructive. Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 11:32
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    @StoryTeller-UnslanderMonica Interesting perespective. I like it. I am surprised though how my post "disingenuous"! Here I have talked only about the part of Yvette which I liked - which is her writing and active participation on Pets.SE. I am still disapointed of her behavior as a moderator candidate but I haven't criticized her here for that. Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 11:35
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    @Aquarius_Girl - Let's not play coy here, shall we? You may have raised important points under her nomination, but your critique ventured very close to attacking her entire character. Is it that surprising that this answer rings hollow when that context is present in people's minds? Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 11:44
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    @StoryTeller-UnslanderMonica attacking her entire character. Well, I am not still feeling positive of her behaviour as a moderator candidate and whatever I wrote under her post is what I felt about her -- I have no regrets. But -- that has nothing to do with her technical skills on Pets.SE for which I am praising her. Anyways, I perfectly okay if this post sounds hollow to you. Thank you for explaining the downvotes. Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 11:49
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    I'm a bit curious. How can someone be a good moderator on one site, but not an another? I'd expect the tasks and procedures are fairly identical.
    – Scratte
    Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 12:22
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    @Scratte Not taking sides here, but Stack Overflow is special. If from a large group of people a thousand would be good moderators on Stack Exchange, a lot less of them would have it in them to deal with the garbage pit that Stack Overflow is. Moderators themselves have compared it to shovelling shit. It's much less dire on the other sites, thankfully.
    – Mast
    Commented Jul 18, 2020 at 12:49
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    How can someone be a good moderator on one site, but not an another? Being a moderator is NOT only about handling flags. Handling flags is one small part of being a moderator. Major part of being a moderator is about knowing when to keep your mouth shut, when to bite your tongue, when to speak, how to speak without bias, how to control your temper and keep calm while speaking, etc. ------ A person may be good at handling flags but I won't want this person as a moderator if their social behaviour is ridiculous, if they are a hypocrite. ------ @Scratte Commented Jul 20, 2020 at 9:11
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    ----- (continued) ... Other sites like Arts&Crafts, Pets, Writing etc. are tiny sites, they don't have any drama in them. Metas of SO and SE are very volatile places where a person has to tread carefully. Therefore if a person is a moderator on a tiny site that doesn't mean they are fit to moderate huge sites too. @Scratte Commented Jul 20, 2020 at 9:12
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    Agreeing with @Aquarius_Girl. Effort and passion alone is not enough. As a mod you need to be able to keep your calm, step in at the right time, and being able to judge and de-escalate a situation. On SO meta, IMO Yvette was not doing enough of that, and I share these concerns. It's a tough critique to give, because it can (and did, apparently) feel very personal. Nevertheless, I think this answer is not disingenuous at all. To me it feels very honest to openly speak your (valid) concerns while at the same time acknowledging the positives about post quality, passion and effort.
    – GolezTrol
    Commented Jul 20, 2020 at 12:10

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