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I've seen it a number of times that new users post questions which are perhaps not great, but definitely worthwhile, yet after a comment (either pointing out something that's not clear enough to give a precise answer, a thought-mistake that makes the problem somewhat trivial, or giving some literature reference that indirectly answers the question), their reaction is to completely delete the question.

Now, I can understand the reaction of wanting to remove “shameful” content (“silly me, I should have read the doc introduction better...”), but actually I think some of these questions would be particularly useful for future users stumbling into the same rookie issue.

What would be a good message to add to the “sure you want to delete?” that would urge the OP to consider the possibility that the content might still be useful, and encouraging to instead edit the question to become actually good, even if the OP themselves doesn't really need it anymore?

(I don't propose making it impossible to delete a question before it has upvoted answers, just making users aware that it may not be a nice thing to do.)

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    I had a similar experience with this on a duplicate question; the user asked a question, and I knew I had seen something similar before; I found the duplicate, but it was asked in a completely different way, and I could understand how the user couldn't find the dup with their way of looking at the issue. After flagging the dup, I added a note : "You'll find your answer in this question, but please don't delete your question, that way someone with your same issue can find their solution." Obviously you're talking about non-dups, but it's the same idea, they're ashamed it exists and delete.
    – Davy M
    Commented Dec 17, 2017 at 23:19
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    Keep in mind that at this point, the same question has most often been asked before. Particularly true for rookie questions. So the vast majority of such questions could be deleted with no harm done.
    – Lundin
    Commented Dec 18, 2017 at 8:57
  • The really annoying thing is when the poster does this 2 or 3 times.
    – Stephen C
    Commented Dec 18, 2017 at 9:06
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    @Lundin not sure if I understood you right there... if you're saying “most rookie-level questions that could possibly ever be asked, have already been asked on SO by now” then I beg to differ: there will always be countless unasked questions on any level. Duplicates do of course happen often enough, but they're not the subject here, as I emphasized right in the title. (When I see a duplicate, I tend to mjölnir it out of sight, rather than commenting or starting to write an answer...) Commented Dec 18, 2017 at 11:28
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    @leftaroundabout Yes, most of them have indeed been asked before. In case of older/established technologies, most beginner questions had already been asked before SO was even launched as a site. The chance of a beginner coming up with something new to ask is very rare. My point is that there's going to be too few such questions worth preserving, to motivate site changes and new features.
    – Lundin
    Commented Dec 18, 2017 at 11:51
  • @Lundin well ok, in a language like C you're probably right, because it comes with so few abstractions and is so extensively covered already. But most languages have much more built in that gives a hard-to-exhaust scope of questions before you even scrape the surface much. This is certainly the case for Haskell (which admittedly is an extreme in the other direction). Commented Dec 18, 2017 at 11:59
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    @leftaroundabout Nah, beginners will not (and should not) dig into peripheral libraries and special features. Take for example something like multi-threading: beginners can't even ask about that, because it is a rather advanced topic, and sensible questions about it will per definition not be beginner questions. And even if you are a beginner to multi-threading, there will be the FAQs on that subject too.
    – Lundin
    Commented Dec 18, 2017 at 12:08
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    It seems like you're basically debating the definition of who should be called “a beginner”. (Again I'd say this depends a lot on the programming language – to name Haskell once more, parallelisation is so simple that it might well be classified as a beginner topic; OTOH, some stuff concerning IO interaction which is very basic in procedural languages readily throws you into a category-theory quagmire). But this is not really relevant here; the point is these questions get asked (by whomever) and deleted again, and I think this isn't good. Commented Dec 18, 2017 at 12:19
  • And even if the issue is specific to “exotic” technologies: each of these may be much smaller than C, Java or Python, but collectively they make up a sizable part of StackOverflow. Commented Dec 18, 2017 at 12:20
  • As I recall, there are blood-curdling warnings attached to every other action that may contribute to a question ban, I don't see why deleting one's own questions should be left out.
    – Haem
    Commented Dec 19, 2017 at 7:51
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    I can’t access it yet but… cannot hi-rep users vote for undeleting an exceptionally good rookie question?
    – Melebius
    Commented Dec 19, 2017 at 13:27
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    @williamdnapier When you post content on Stack Exchange, you grant SE a particular license. You may not revoke that license. You are allowed to add content; you are explicitly and by-design must give up full ownership (including the right of deletion) by doing so. You may not take your ball and go home. If this displeases you, do not post content on SE websites. The damage done by deleting content is worse than the benefit gained by the content being added in the first place. Commented Dec 19, 2017 at 15:06
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    @williamdnapier could you elaborate what you mean by “not a zero sum point of view”? Commented Dec 19, 2017 at 19:58
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    @Servy Facebook, Twitter and YouTube aren't really collaborative ventures – removing your content there is not so much taking your ball and leaving, as taking your shirt and leaving. Commented Dec 20, 2017 at 14:37
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    @leftaroundabout How are Facebook and Twitter not collaborative? YouTube is maybe a bit more of a stretch (although I don't think much). Again, all of these sites are built entirely around users consuming and interacting with other uses' contributed content. If you don't consider these "collaborative", then I don't understand what you mean by "collaborative" in this context. What type of collaboration does SO have that those sites don't that makes SO special?
    – Servy
    Commented Dec 20, 2017 at 14:42

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We already have a mechanism to motivate users to keep their stupid question. It is - reputation. Simply upvote the question you find useful and they will not delete it.

If your answer is useful, it will get upvoted as well and the user will be unable to delete the question.

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  • Upvotes alone don't prevent users from deleting their question. And I'm generally reluctant to upvote a question that is still in need of some editing; it's not like these questions are perfect as they are. Commented Dec 19, 2017 at 16:39
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    @leftaroundabout If they are not up-vote worthy, they can hardly be worthy of preservation.
    – yivi
    Commented Dec 19, 2017 at 16:40
  • @yivi There are plenty of SO posts I wouldn't upvote, yet consider preservation-worthy. Some questions are just plain boring, trivial to answer, phrased without much effort... I don't see what to reward these people for, yet it's good their posts are in the system because somebody in the future might have the same problem, and they then don't have to ask at all. Commented Dec 19, 2017 at 16:48
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    If the question is bad enough as to not merit an up-vote, the only thing that could make it preservation worthy is the rare good/useful answer to a bad question. And in that case, upvoting the answer is enough to protect the question from self-deletion. If neither q nor deserve a single upvote, nothing of value is lost when deleted, IMO.
    – yivi
    Commented Dec 19, 2017 at 16:53
  • @leftaroundabout If a question is trivially answered, then it's not valuable to keep it around for future people, as those future people could trivially answer it.
    – Servy
    Commented Dec 20, 2017 at 14:38
  • @Servy in an ideal world, yes, but actually what happens then is that those future people don't bother thinking anymore than the first one, and ask a new question, wasting everybody's time yet again. If the first post of the trivial question is kept around, they will at least with some likelyhood find it. — Anyway, this proposal isn't actually about trivial questions, that was just an example illustrating that there's no dichotomy between good questions and deletion-worthy questions. Commented Dec 20, 2017 at 14:43
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    @leftaroundabout The people that ask those types of questions are going to do that even if you don't delete the question. Keeping around even more copies of answers to easily found solutions doesn't help people who aren't actually doing their research before asking to find the solutions.
    – Servy
    Commented Dec 20, 2017 at 14:45
  • @Servy I trust even the laziest GimmeTehCodez people to try Google once, before asking StackOverflow. But again, these laziest are not what I'm talking about here (one-line questions in general are deletion-worthy), but the people that are too lazy to do some proper work themselves, but at least dedicated enough to coherently phrase out a question. Commented Dec 20, 2017 at 14:57
  • @leftaroundabout Considering how many questions I see people ask that are answered by copy-pasting their own question into google, I most certainly do not trust the laziest of the question askers to do even a single google search first. I've seen too many thousands of examples of people not having done it to be able to still have that trust.
    – Servy
    Commented Dec 20, 2017 at 15:02
  • @Servy evidently I'm lucky to not participate in the .net tags, if it's that bad there. But, this still has no bearing to the discussion here. If a bad question is duped, not nice, but at least it enables the most efficient of remedial tools: the dupe hammer, faster than any self-deletion. Commented Dec 20, 2017 at 15:07
  • @leftaroundabout That's not a reason to prevent those types of questions from being self-deleted. It's still more work for the community to have people going around closing questions as duplicates than for the author to self-delete them and save them the effort, or to remove yet another bad duplicate question if it has already been closed (the more likely case).
    – Servy
    Commented Dec 20, 2017 at 15:09
  • @Servy I think I've said it a number of times now: I do not care about those trivial questions, like, really not care in the sense of, it doesn't matter to me what happens to them. If you insist on sticking to that subject, then I'd still say that those people are actually also not very likely to self-delete their questions, so the discussion here has little bearing on them. — What I do care about are questions which are in principle quite good, just have some significant flaw that requires editing before they can be properly answered, to which point it never gets because of deletion. Commented Dec 20, 2017 at 15:15
  • @leftaroundabout Yes, I'm aware that you don't care about the bad questions that you're preventing from being deleted. I'm saying that I, and plenty of others, do care. While it's not an enormous percentage of people asking bad questions that self-delete them, it's still a sizable number, more than it sounds like you expect. The good questions that you don't want to be deleted can be trivially prevented from deletion by upvotes, which if they really are good, you should be doing, and the authors wouldn't have reason to delete them (because they're good useful questions).
    – Servy
    Commented Dec 20, 2017 at 15:20
  • Why do you jump to bad questions now? I said nothing about those. (Oh, actually I did, in the context of dupes, but that was itself off the topic...) Bad questions should be downvoted, and I explicitly narrowed my OP to questions without downvotes. Sure, peer-pressured self-deletion is more likely and by all means a good thing. Commented Dec 20, 2017 at 15:23
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    @leftaroundabout A question that isn't going to be useful to anyone is a bad question. It might not be as bad as some other questions, but it's still a bad question. And no, downvotes aren't necessary to get people to delete bad questions. In my experiences a very large portion of people asking questions like these don't care at all about votes, they're just here to get their answer, not to get points. They're more than happy to delete their 0 scored question when they've gotten what they want. I find it rare to see people asking good questions and then trying to delete them.
    – Servy
    Commented Dec 20, 2017 at 15:43

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