Timeline for Could we more strongly discourage users from deleting their own questions (non-duplicates with no downvotes)?
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Dec 20, 2017 at 14:57 | comment | added | leftaroundabout | @Servy well ok, it's hard to argue they're not collaborative, it's rather that they're not ventures, in the sense that most of the collaboration happens in the moment. As you say, the difference is that StackOverflow is emphasized the long-term. | |
Dec 20, 2017 at 14:42 | comment | added | Servy | @leftaroundabout How are Facebook and Twitter not collaborative? YouTube is maybe a bit more of a stretch (although I don't think much). Again, all of these sites are built entirely around users consuming and interacting with other uses' contributed content. If you don't consider these "collaborative", then I don't understand what you mean by "collaborative" in this context. What type of collaboration does SO have that those sites don't that makes SO special? | |
Dec 20, 2017 at 14:37 | comment | added | leftaroundabout | @Servy Facebook, Twitter and YouTube aren't really collaborative ventures – removing your content there is not so much taking your ball and leaving, as taking your shirt and leaving. | |
Dec 20, 2017 at 14:34 | comment | added | Servy | @Yakk There are plenty of sites that allow user contributions that have no problem allowing a user to remove all of their contributions at any time. It's a problem for SO because SO is trying to create a repository of knowledge that's useful long term. Lots of sites based entirely around user contributions aren't trying to do that, and have no problem allowing a user to take their ball and go home with it. Look at Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc. In all of these cases a user can delete all of their content at any time. SO is actually unusual (though not unique) in this regard. | |
Dec 20, 2017 at 14:13 | comment | added | darlirium | @Yakk Yeah, I know. Just an opinion, that's all. | |
Dec 19, 2017 at 21:49 | comment | added | Yakk - Adam Nevraumont | @will no large collaberative venture can survive if any contributor can retroactively remove all past contributions. Your position basically is a practical one saying collaberation should not work. I get it; I want a pony too. Doesn't make it happen. | |
Dec 19, 2017 at 19:58 | comment | added | leftaroundabout | @williamdnapier could you elaborate what you mean by “not a zero sum point of view”? | |
Dec 19, 2017 at 18:56 | comment | added | darlirium | @Yakk Obviously, I agreed to the license terms of Stack Exchange in order to use the site. I do, however, disagree with this area of those terms from a philosophical standpoint. This is not a zero sum point of view. | |
Dec 19, 2017 at 15:06 | comment | added | Yakk - Adam Nevraumont | @williamdnapier When you post content on Stack Exchange, you grant SE a particular license. You may not revoke that license. You are allowed to add content; you are explicitly and by-design must give up full ownership (including the right of deletion) by doing so. You may not take your ball and go home. If this displeases you, do not post content on SE websites. The damage done by deleting content is worse than the benefit gained by the content being added in the first place. | |
Dec 19, 2017 at 14:57 | comment | added | Bernhard Barker | Is there any evidence to suggest our current self-deletion disclaimer ("We do not recommend deleting questions with answers...") has any effect? | |
Dec 19, 2017 at 14:52 | comment | added | darlirium | I totally disagree with the Stack Exchange mantra, 'the question cannot be deleted because it may be helpful'. The user can add content and therefore should have the same right of removal. This is especially true if they have managed to post duplicate, yet easily answered and therefore up voted content. | |
Dec 19, 2017 at 14:52 | comment | added | Bernhard Barker | We can prevent self-deletion of a recently-asked question or one with a recent (not-yet-upvoted) answer, but I'm not sure whether this will be better or worse for the site (in that there are probably more people deleting their bad questions in this period than those who are deleting a truly useful question). | |
Dec 19, 2017 at 14:43 | history | edited | TylerH | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Clarified title; OP's only asking about a specific subset of question deletion
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Dec 19, 2017 at 14:25 | answer | added | Sinatr | timeline score: 19 | |
Dec 19, 2017 at 13:27 | comment | added | Melebius | I can’t access it yet but… cannot hi-rep users vote for undeleting an exceptionally good rookie question? | |
Dec 19, 2017 at 7:51 | comment | added | Haem | As I recall, there are blood-curdling warnings attached to every other action that may contribute to a question ban, I don't see why deleting one's own questions should be left out. | |
Dec 18, 2017 at 12:20 | comment | added | leftaroundabout | And even if the issue is specific to “exotic” technologies: each of these may be much smaller than C, Java or Python, but collectively they make up a sizable part of StackOverflow. | |
Dec 18, 2017 at 12:19 | comment | added | leftaroundabout | It seems like you're basically debating the definition of who should be called “a beginner”. (Again I'd say this depends a lot on the programming language – to name Haskell once more, parallelisation is so simple that it might well be classified as a beginner topic; OTOH, some stuff concerning IO interaction which is very basic in procedural languages readily throws you into a category-theory quagmire). But this is not really relevant here; the point is these questions get asked (by whomever) and deleted again, and I think this isn't good. | |
Dec 18, 2017 at 12:08 | comment | added | Lundin | @leftaroundabout Nah, beginners will not (and should not) dig into peripheral libraries and special features. Take for example something like multi-threading: beginners can't even ask about that, because it is a rather advanced topic, and sensible questions about it will per definition not be beginner questions. And even if you are a beginner to multi-threading, there will be the FAQs on that subject too. | |
Dec 18, 2017 at 11:59 | comment | added | leftaroundabout | @Lundin well ok, in a language like C you're probably right, because it comes with so few abstractions and is so extensively covered already. But most languages have much more built in that gives a hard-to-exhaust scope of questions before you even scrape the surface much. This is certainly the case for Haskell (which admittedly is an extreme in the other direction). | |
Dec 18, 2017 at 11:51 | comment | added | Lundin | @leftaroundabout Yes, most of them have indeed been asked before. In case of older/established technologies, most beginner questions had already been asked before SO was even launched as a site. The chance of a beginner coming up with something new to ask is very rare. My point is that there's going to be too few such questions worth preserving, to motivate site changes and new features. | |
Dec 18, 2017 at 11:28 | comment | added | leftaroundabout | @Lundin not sure if I understood you right there... if you're saying “most rookie-level questions that could possibly ever be asked, have already been asked on SO by now” then I beg to differ: there will always be countless unasked questions on any level. Duplicates do of course happen often enough, but they're not the subject here, as I emphasized right in the title. (When I see a duplicate, I tend to mjölnir it out of sight, rather than commenting or starting to write an answer...) | |
Dec 18, 2017 at 9:06 | comment | added | Stephen C | The really annoying thing is when the poster does this 2 or 3 times. | |
Dec 18, 2017 at 8:57 | comment | added | Lundin | Keep in mind that at this point, the same question has most often been asked before. Particularly true for rookie questions. So the vast majority of such questions could be deleted with no harm done. | |
Dec 18, 2017 at 8:18 | history | edited | Ian Kemp | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
deleted 5 characters in body; edited title
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Dec 17, 2017 at 23:19 | comment | added | Davy M | I had a similar experience with this on a duplicate question; the user asked a question, and I knew I had seen something similar before; I found the duplicate, but it was asked in a completely different way, and I could understand how the user couldn't find the dup with their way of looking at the issue. After flagging the dup, I added a note : "You'll find your answer in this question, but please don't delete your question, that way someone with your same issue can find their solution." Obviously you're talking about non-dups, but it's the same idea, they're ashamed it exists and delete. | |
Dec 17, 2017 at 20:44 | history | edited | honk | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
I retracted my close vote to https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/322138/2675154, so let's focus on your remaining question
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Dec 17, 2017 at 20:36 | history | edited | leftaroundabout | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
The "Work In Progress" bit was already adressed in other question
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Dec 17, 2017 at 20:31 | history | asked | leftaroundabout | CC BY-SA 3.0 |