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Sorry mods, another one of those "a one liner isn't enough of an explanation and I can't fit all of this in another flag" posts.

So...

What issues should be considered when overriding equals and hashCode in Java?

To the question

Overriding equals and hashCode in Java

What issues / pitfalls must be considered when overriding equals and hashCode?

(yes, that is the entire question - not a bad one, and rather straight forward in that a common sense reading of an answer should be able to identify if the answer itself answers the question by identifying issues or pitfalls with overriding equals and hashCode)

The answer

Sometimes, you can use Eclipse -> Source -> Generate hashCode() and equals().

I flagged this as not an answer which was disputed.

I then flagged it with a custom mod message:

I'd like to appeal the previous disputed NAN flag on this answer. The question is "What issues / pitfalls must be considered when overriding equals and hashCode?" - the answer is "You can do it in eclipse with this menu option" which doesn't at all address the any parts of the question (about the pitfalls or issues)." Please delete this answer or turn it into a comment.

Which was:

declined - flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer

I'm confused. This is a non-answer. Its like having a question on Cooking that is "What issues and pitfalls when cooking with apples" and getting back an answer of "You can use a apple core remover to remove the core".

Yes, one can use such a tool in a way that is tangential to the question topic. However, it doesn't actually answer anything about the issues or pitfalls. Or things to watch out for. Or even things to watch out for when using the wizard.

The answer might answer the question of "what tool can I use to generate hashCode and equals" (or core an apple). I fail to see any issues or pitfalls that the answer has in it. Maybe if one just read the title of the question and not the body of it, the question could be interpreted as "(How do I) Override equals and hashCode in Java" - but that's not the body of the question.

Thus, I believe this is not an answer to the question and should either be converted to a comment or deleted.

If one really thinks it is an answer (posted May 25th, 2012), it is a subset of the material in another answer in the question that was posted August 26th, 2008... and has comments that tell how to do this operation in other IDEs... and the '12 answer adds nothing new to the answers in the question.

That question could probably use a good cleaning (and it is still getting 'answers')... there's at least one answer that appears to be a comment replying to a deleted answer, and a bunch of other questionable answers that don't really appear to answer the question... but those would be other flags... and I suppose this question is far from alone.


The accepted attempt at an answer has since been deleted by a mod. For those who don't have 10k rep, the comments are of some value in understanding the issues here.

I've flagged this question to undelete the answer, but the flag was declined.

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    It may be a wrong answer, but it is still an attempt at answering. Downvote the damn thing and move on. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 9:18
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    Answers that "miss the point" are still attempts at answering the question, just misguided ones.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 9:20
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    @Martijn (and Bolt), by that logic, "Oh, the huge manatee!" is also an attempt at answering. Looks like the consensus is dead and we don't know what to do with those answers anymore. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 9:20
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    I have to side with @MichaelT here, it does not attempt to answer the question at all.
    – user247702
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 9:21
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    @BoltClock by that logic, anyone who fails at reading comprehension for a question can post whatever answer they want.
    – user289086
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 9:21
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    @MartijnPieters the flag description clearly says "This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question.", not "a question".
    – user247702
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 9:23
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    I agree with the premise of this question. I've flagged a few answers as not an answer and been declined too on very similar grounds. Generally the answerer spots a few keywords in the question and provides a stock answer that completely misses the point of the question. The link between the answer and the question is pretty tenuous in this case. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 9:27
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    Another similar example that I ran into myself the other day: an answer appears to relate to the question by context, but it is essentially a "how" answer to a "why" question (and, despite comments from the OP, the answerer seems unable to grasp the difference). Should it be deleted by a moderator?
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 9:34
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    @BoltClock that answer is fresh, it has an active set of comments from the person asking it to the answerer explaining why it doesn't answer it. It has a negative score and can be addressed by 20k users (or fixed). Things that are several years old, with an inactive user, with a positive score that cannot be deleted without a concerted effort, that fail a simple reading of the question, that cannot be flagged otherwise are the exceptions that one expects moderators to deal with. Its not technically wrong or right at issue - its not an answer and should be deleted or turned into a comment.
    – user289086
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 9:39
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    @BoltClock, maybe not necessarily by a moderator, but I sure voted for it to be deleted. That answer is little more than noise and the answerer apparently does not understand it is not related to the question, even after the questioner left explicit comments. IMHO there is no benefit in keeping it. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 9:40
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    Has anyone else noticed the almost identical answer that is currently enjoying a score of 114? The subtle variation in the language used means it's basking in glory rather than the subject of meta. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 11:31
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    @Duncan yep - (the paragraph "If one really thinks it is an answer..."). Note that one possible handling of the NAA might have been "this should have been an edit to that answer." IMO, there is a lot of deleting that should be done in that question... and the 114 answer would take a very concerted effort to delete with 20k delete votes. However, if every attempt to write an answer is a valid answer, I fear it will be impossible to remove such... well... crap from the elder days because of how it was 2 or 6 years ago and people had different levels of "yep, this gets an up vote."
    – user289086
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 11:35
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    @GeorgeStocker In Shog's "Answers & Apples taxonomy" I regard this answer as an orange. Consider the hypothetical question from 6 years ago "How do you sum a list in Python?" and one of the answers is "In perl its use List::Util; $sum = sum @lilst;" - there's an attempt at answering it, maybe... but it failed at reading comprehension. It is an answer to a different question (not this one). It also got some up votes - sufficient that a down vote won't kick it in the auto VLQ queue. Its not even wrong. How should this be flagged (if at all)?
    – user289086
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 17:33
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    @GeorgeStocker "I'm convinced you're the only one that complains there isn't consensus", I wouldn't be so sure seeing how this question has a net vote of +21
    – Lamak
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 18:15
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    The two answer deletions that George made here 1 2 must be some form of subtle moderator humor that is lost on me.
    – jscs
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 19:41

7 Answers 7

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What mods are looking for when they see a "Not an Answer" flag:

  1. Attempts to communicate with another user.
  2. Using the answer space to ask a question.
  3. The OP posting an answer to clarify their question or add additional detail.
  4. Attempts to bump the question as in "I'm having the same problem."
  5. "Thanks," I like turtles, and similar noise.

All of these things are implied in the flag reason:

This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question. It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether.

If you're not flagging for one of these things, do not use the "Not an Answer" flag. Instead, cast a custom moderator flag, and write a description explaining why you think the "answer" is harmful to the site, and should be forcibly removed by a moderator.

Pro Tip: Mods do not look at the question when moderating "Not an Answer" flags. If your flag requires a mod to evaluate an answer from the question's perspective, do not use a "Not an Answer" flag on it.

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  • Aside from the whole flagging debate: the answer is removed now, but I believe it to be valuable information still. Considering its short length, would it be possible to convert it to a comment instead? Equally, this answer should undergo the same treatment since it is of the same kind. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 20:09
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    I think that the point op is making is that the particular post he flagged goes in the reason number 4. Which can be tied to the it does not attempt to answer the question part of the flag message. I'm not necessarily saying I agree (though I kinda do), but this answer doesn't really helps to convince op otherwise either
    – Lamak
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 20:09
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    @Lamak: There's no value judgment here. I'm simply telling you the mechanics by which all of the mods on Stack Overflow process the "Not an Answer" flag.
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 20:11
  • I see that and I appreciate the clarification of how the posts flagged as NAA are managed. But it still doesn't really say why the particular answer flagged by op can't be seen as "General meanderings that aren't an answer attempt" or how it goes against the "it does not attempt to answer the question" part of the flag reason
    – Lamak
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 20:12
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    @Lamak: Since that phrase appears to be being interpreted broadly, I've changed it to a phrase that is more specific. The phrase "it does not attempt to answer the question" is also more narrow than you are interpreting it; moderators do not look at the technical merit of an answer when moderating.
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 20:14
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    Either way, I think that you "Pro Tip" clarifies this issue, good way of putting it
    – Lamak
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 20:29
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    In this case, the flag reasons need rewording. What you're describing is what I would either call spam or posting in the wrong place. (Apparently, the spam reason means something else, though.) It seems to me that the flag reasons lack intuitiveness. Maybe that's for historical reasons, where the reasons used to have one meaning but have come to mean something else. Regardless, the flag reason should more directly represent how mods interpret it.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Aug 12, 2014 at 0:44
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    "Pro Tip: Mods do not look at the question when moderating "Not an Answer" flags." yet the LQRQ do show the question, so user can evaluate an answer in a specific context. Why moderators don't? Is there any feature request that should be done? I remember that even the 10k tools allowed users to read the question in the same page, why mods don't have such feature?
    – Braiam
    Commented Aug 14, 2014 at 1:24
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    @Braiam: Mods do not look at the question when moderating "Not an Answer" flags, because there is no need to do so.
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented Aug 14, 2014 at 1:26
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    @RobertHarvey there is then a massive difference in the workflow of NAA's flags when reviewed by moderators and the rest of us, which probably needs to be addressed by SE.
    – Braiam
    Commented Aug 14, 2014 at 1:32
  • @Braiam: Just look at my answer. That's the logic you should be following. Requiring mods to look at the question when evaluating NAA flags would dramatically increase the cognitive load, while not significantly improving the correctness of the moderator actions.
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented Aug 14, 2014 at 1:36
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    So, you are saying that the community has no way of removing an answer posted in the wrong question (check this answer)? And if that's the logic, why reviewers aren't asked the same?
    – Braiam
    Commented Aug 14, 2014 at 1:48
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    @RobertHarvey If the question were displayed alongside the flagged answer, couldn't mods skip reading it in most cases? E.g., if the answer is "This worked, thanks!", you don't need to pay any attention to the question. But if the answer is a brief snippet that could either be a short answer or should have been a comment, depending on the question, one could skim the question to see if the answer is even semantically valid (without attempting any technical evaluation).
    – Michelle
    Commented Aug 14, 2014 at 12:25
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    So, how is answering a question like What issues / pitfalls must be considered when overriding equals and hashCode? with Sometimes, you can use Eclipse -> Source -> Generate hashCode() and equals(). any different from answering it with I like turtles?! You don't need to be a JAVA expert to see why both answers are equally irrelevant to the question asked. Even a very basic knowledge of the English language should suffice. Commented Mar 2, 2016 at 21:03
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    @RobertHarvey : You explicitly said that the kind of answers mods are looking for when they see a "Not an Answer" flag includes answer of type "Thanks," I like turtles, and similar noise. When people can't seem to agree whether a question belongs to this category, IMO that's an issue that needs to be resolved, as it can result in people being banned from flagging while correctly applying the rules of this community as they interpret it. Commented Mar 2, 2016 at 21:51
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This is what happens when you ask moderators to delete answers based on their technical validity:

An animated GIF of two men dressed as janitors, whacking furiously and meaninglessly at a tangerine-colored iMac.

Mods are janitors. They are not supposed to judge the technical validity of an answer. They are supposed to clean up the trash and mop the sick off the floors.

So don't expect much more than lots of grunting and bashing of ugly Apple hardware if you flag an answer because it is technically invalid. Mods tend to leave issues like that for the community to handle with downvotes and delete votes.

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    per my reading, it's not about technical validity but about plain English. "What issues / pitfalls must be considered when overriding blah?" -- "Sometimes, you can use Eclipse -> Source -> Generate blah". Answer is not even wrong.
    – gnat
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 15:16
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    @gnat Why is it wrong? You'll have to explain the technical reasons for me to understand. bashes imac
    – user1228
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 15:17
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    what technical reasons does one need to understand word "blah"? it's plain English. And I repeat, answer is not wrong. Neither it is correct. It's not even wrong
    – gnat
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 15:23
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    @gnat You'll have to explain the technical reasons why the original answer was not correct for the original question. It isn't hard. Think about it.
    – user1228
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 15:24
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    sure no problem, "Sometimes, you can use Eclipse -> Source -> Generate blah" does not even attempt to answer the question "What issues / pitfalls must be considered when overriding blah?"
    – gnat
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 15:26
  • @gnat why can't you override by using Eclipse -> Source -> Generate?
    – user1228
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 15:27
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    @GeorgeStocker probably because it really isn't an answer. As how we understand and use the phrase IRL. However the flag is targeted at answers that really aren't answers as we categorize them on SO--another question, spam, "MEE TOOO", etc. Something that doesn't attempt to answer the question.
    – user1228
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 15:35
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    @GeorgeStocker I don't see what there is to think about. I know nothing about Java other than being able to get a general idea of what certain code does, yet I know that it doesn't answer the question. The question could be "What are the pitfalls of doing foo in Brainfuck" and I'd still know that "if you use Brainfuck Studio 2000, you can generate foo via this menu" does not answer the question.
    – user247702
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 15:38
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    @GeorgeStocker I do understand why moderators tend to be careful when deleting content, but like gnat said, this has nothing to do with having a technical grounding in a certain subject, instead it has everything to do with being able to read English. That's the point I was trying to make. All I know about Brainfuck is that it uses some characters like < and >, yet I'd feel confident when deleting such a hypothetical answer.
    – user247702
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 15:43
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    @GeorgeStocker "If someone has to think about how the answer 'doesn't apply' to the question, then you probably shouldn't flag it as 'not an answer'. I'm not sure why that's so hard to grok." Your comment defies its own logic. It suggests I have to think about the meaning of "Not an Answer" while simultaneously suggesting that mods shouldn't have to think about why it's not an answer. It is literally not an answer. Why is that any harder to grok than the fact that "Not an Answer" apparently doesn't mean "not an answer"? (Don't read this too hard or long. You'll get a headache. ;) )
    – jpmc26
    Commented Aug 12, 2014 at 1:38
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    @gnat that answer could indeed be considered an answer to the question. With that knowledge the pragmatic programmer doesnt need to know about the pitfalls, instead they can make use of their tools and move on. It may not be the best answer or the answer the OP was expecting, but it is an answer. Perhaps if he had worded it slightly different you may have considered it an answer, e.g. 'You dont need to worry about that, you can use Eclipse to generate them...' Shame it was deleted already
    – cowls
    Commented Aug 12, 2014 at 15:10
  • The general meaning of "not an answer" really is "a comment, a question, a discussion, a complaint, a rant, a ninja, a house, a spaceship etc.. anything that's not an answer at all". A wrong answer is still an answer.
    – slebetman
    Commented Aug 14, 2014 at 7:43
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For me, who is not a Java dev, that looks like a valid, if low quality, answer. Why would a mod think differently?

At your privilege level, you can downvote. You can also go to chat which has Java experts with more than 20k reputation and have them look at it and maybe delete it.

But a moderator cannot and should not deal with answers which are incorrect, even if they don't seem to relate to the question at all.

In your shoes I'd downvote, maybe flag as VLQ and move on.

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    I agree with this. The simple fact is we cannot expect moderators to be technically qualified enough the technical accuracy of an answer in all technologies, so if an answer looks like a valid attempt at an answer, then NAA shouldn't be applicable. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 10:07
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    It's not even VLQ... if anything the VLQ flag is even less applicable than NAA. But you know, whatever.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 10:07
  • @BoltClock, I do agree VLQ is less appropriate here. If NAA and VLQ are both inapplicable, should the answer not be flagged at all? Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 10:10
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    @FrédéricHamidi - That's right, the answer should not be flagged at all. It should be down-voted (with optional comment) and then perhaps deleted by the community, but not by moderators.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 10:13
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    @ChrisF unfortunately that involves invoking the meta effect or chat room group down voting to get the question low enough score to get 20k rep users to down vote it... Which other meta questions are decrying. What is the least disruptive option to handle (almost)non-answers?
    – user289086
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 10:24
  • @ChrisF, I understand. I believe the issue here is that we are not used to cases where we shouldn't delegate the resolution to the moderator team. Maybe a FAQ like "In which situations should I not flag?" would help. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 10:25
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    @MichaelT - perhaps we should be training people to do searches for negatively voted questions to see if they can be deleted.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 10:26
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    @ChrisF what about the ones that aren't negative yet? When I first flagged the answer (before voting on it), it was +4/-0. That isn't enough to kick it to the auto VLQ flag queue, or have a 20k delete vote it... But it was still (almost)not an answer.
    – user289086
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 10:29
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    I made a trivial edit so I could downvote. Specifically, Very Low Quality has a specific meaning. It means, "This post is garbage, has no redeeming value, and is actively stinking up the place. Delete it." That's an even higher bar than "Not an answer".
    – George Stocker Mod
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 15:38
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The bar is pretty high for 'Not an answer'.

It should be immediately obvious to someone with no experience in the tag that the post does not attempt to address the question.

If it's not immediately obvious, your choices are:

  • Custom flag explaining why the post is 'not an answer'
  • Downvote
  • Move on

If the post even appears to attempt to address the question posed, your not an answer flag will be declined.

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    I am curious about what part of "Sometimes, you can use Eclipse -> Source -> Generate hashCode() and equals()." addresses the question "What issues / pitfalls must be considered when overriding equals and hashCode?". I can identify no suggestion of an issue or pitfall in the answer. Instead it says "here is a tool that will do it sometimes". We are dealing with an entirety of two sentences here - one sentence for the question, one sentence for the answer. It should be possible to point to at least one of the 10 words in the answer and say "this is an issue or pitfall".
    – user289086
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 11:03
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    @MichaelT: "Not an answer" != "Not an answer to this question" #lern2readplz&thku Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 12:33
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit So if someone were to answer that question with an explanation of how to sort a list in Python, that wouldn't count as "not an answer"? The message doesn't just say "not an answer" - it says "it does not attempt to answer the question".
    – Michelle
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 12:35
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    @Michelle: No, it would not. It would, however, be downvoted to oblivion and deleted almost immediately. No need to get moderators involved and waste their time. And who are you to decide that the author "did not attempt to answer the question"? Maybe they made an attempt but have a mental illness of some kind. Are you now discriminating?? Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 12:37
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit But this answer wasn't going to be downvoted and deleted naturally. The flag message also says "it should possibly be a comment", implying that semi-related things that aren't actually an answer to the actual question fall under the NAA flag.
    – Michelle
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 12:40
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    @Michelle: The problem is, I didn't say anything absurd. Sorry that you're continually missing the point, but don't take it out on me with rudeness and hostility, thanks. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 13:14
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit I was originally trying to actually discuss the flag description, but you don't seem to be interested. Sorry for any hostility.
    – Michelle
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 13:23
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    @Michelle If this answer wasn't going to be downvoted and gotten rid of by the community; that's a warning sign that maybe it needs a custom flag. Why should I, as someone who has only touched Java twice in his life, be able to overrule the 4 people who upvoted that question that thought it had value? The Not an answer flag is for clear posts that do not attempt to address the question. This attempts to address the question (poorly). It is an answer, just a poor one. That having been said, the best approach when there could be doubt is either 1) downvote, or 2) a custom flag. Is that hard?
    – George Stocker Mod
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 15:43
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit It is in fact "Not an answer to this question" #lern2readplz&thku. (as was already posted, the flag description says "This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question.")
    – Lamak
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 15:47
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    @Lamak: I've already explained why that description does not fit. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 16:15
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    Why are you suggesting a custom flag? Custom flags can't be reviewed by non-mods and I've seen plenty of flags rejected for that reason.
    – bjb568
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 17:01
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    I'm not worried about flags being declined, I'm worried that I'm doing something wrong if I'm getting flags declined. "Please delete because X" "declined - the community can handle it itself"
    – bjb568
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 17:47
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    Why doesn't this "answer" clear the bar you give in your answer? Looks like it does to me.
    – tmyklebu
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 21:34
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    @GeorgeStocker yep. I made note of that with the sentence starting "Maybe if one just read the title of the question and not the body of it" The title was 6 words long at the time, but that shouldn't excuse someone from reading the 11 words of the body of the question... or noting that the top (accepted) answer is addressing something else, or that one of the other answers said exactly the same thing. There are multiple failures of reading and reading comprehension with that answer. None of which should have excused its forum-like behavior and not answering the question.
    – user289086
    Commented Aug 12, 2014 at 18:32
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    @GeorgeStocker I do agree about the title being very important. I lament the removal of the 10k anon feedback explorer as that can be a hint about what people are expecting more than the up and downvotes - is it what people from google are expecting to find and is this answer what they were looking for? With that, my attempts (on P.SE) of fixing broken titles has less guidance now than it did before. It's harder to see what answers are genuinely helpful and not up vote for effort. But I still don't see skipping the body of the question and answering the title as an answer.
    – user289086
    Commented Aug 12, 2014 at 19:02
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Consider an answer to this question (on meta) that looks like, say:

Here is a simple way to sort a list of ints in c#:

var values = new int[5,7,3];
values = values.OrderByDescending(p => p).ToList();

Hopefully that answers your question.

It's an answer to a question, yes? I claim that keeping this answer makes just about as much sense as keeping that one, but I'm not a mod. It makes some sense that the NAA flag would be declined, as it does look like an answer at first glance. I do not agree, though I have already seen on meta that this topic is a divisive one, that answers to clearly a question only at most very tangentially related to the question that was asked, should only be downvoted rather than removed.

I've flagged a small handful of questions like that with custom flags - some have been accepted, some haven't, indicating that higher-rep/mod users also aren't completely clear on where to draw that line.

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Question: Why was this 'not an answer' flag declined?

To the question:

Overriding equals and hashCode in Java
What issues / pitfalls must be considered when overriding equals and hashCode?

The answer:

Sometimes, you can use Eclipse -> Source -> Generate hashCode() and equals().

I flagged this as not an answer which was disputed.

I'm confused. This is a non-answer.

You are allowed to not understand questions and answers, you can use a comment to ask for clarification or use search tools to educate yourself about the subject. Using comments to cast disparaging remarks and flags to protest or further your position isn't helpful.

You are allowed to ask a useful question in a comment, vote (either way or not at all) without so much as a comment, or move on to something else.

If you read EclipseSource.com's article "The 3 things you should know about hashCode()" you will see this text at the end of the article:

"To be on the safe side, let the Eclipse IDE generate the equals and hashCode functions as a pair: Source > Generate hashCode() and equals()….".

Thus, it is a recommended answer.

A better answer might have been derived from "Java – How to override equals and hashCode" or "Why to Override equals(Object) and hashCode() method?"

If you don't like the answer then you can move on, UpVote, DownVote, or leave a constructive criticism in the comments about how it could be improved.

You will earn more reputation by making a helpful edit or posting your own better answer - thus that might be your preferred course of action.


There also seems to be the same complaint about this answer (which you included in image format, since it was deleted):

I think it's right to burniate, the tag very ambiguous. Should I start now?

This answer claims that "... overriding equals and hashCode" is the right thing to do, apparently the issues and pitfalls don't merit discussion. The words "should I start now" are a rally call to action.

Part fact, part opinion, and terse; which is a programming style.

Apparently the OP felt sufficiently in favor of this answer that they choose it.

People are permitted to UpVote incorrect answers, DownVote correct answers, not vote at all; the OP is free to choose any answer, no answer, or write their own answer.

What is also permitted is to not understand, it's OK, go ahead.

What is not wanted is for people to troll or for Mod's to be busied with flags they will reject.

It is perfectly acceptable to write here in Meta your question asking about this, don't misunderstand my answer. Those answers are "answers", and they possess the minimum amount of quality to bypass the VLQ flag too.

Those answers are not as bad as the 'Bulldog Clip answer' (What do you call this clamp in English?) which used to have well over 100 UpVotes and remains the 'chosen answer' - despite the undeniable fact that it is incorrect.

I don't deny that those answers could have been longer and dwelled on each point at length, fact is that they did not; but that doesn't reduce them to being 'not an answer' or 'no answer at all' - there is an answer that either you don't like or wasn't well explained specifically to you.

It is odd/annoying/unhelpful the way things work here sometimes. You can ask for change.

Asking in a comment to the answer in question for clarification or a source link would (might?) have satisfied you if the answerer chooses to respond to your inquiry. The flag was (is) correctly declined.

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  • Ha ha. I'm British and I would definitely call it a bulldog clip.
    – JeremyP
    Commented May 15, 2018 at 15:59
  • @JeremyP - Yes, lots of controversy. The reason that it's not a "Bulldog Clip" is because the patented name specifically refers to a different style of clip. The reason it is a "Binder Clip is stated on it's Wikipedia webpage: "A binder clip, less commonly known as a banker's clip or foldover clip, ... The term "foldback clip" is used in the United Kingdom to describe this invention (not to be confused with a Bulldog clip, an older device with the same function, which is stronger and has rigid rather than folding handles).".
    – Rob
    Commented May 15, 2018 at 16:49
  • No you are wrong. Well, technically you are right, but we tend to call all clips that look like that "bulldog clip" much like we call all vacuum cleaners "hoover".
    – JeremyP
    Commented May 16, 2018 at 8:29
  • @JeremyP - Would you call cyclonic separation technology a hoover? - Different, but does the same thing; or does it ...
    – Rob
    Commented May 16, 2018 at 8:37
  • No that's a Dyson.
    – JeremyP
    Commented May 16, 2018 at 8:38
  • LOL. 😁 👍 - Let's call it a Tornado.
    – Rob
    Commented May 16, 2018 at 8:43
  • Sounds good to me, but be aware, if you said to a Brit "a Dyson is a kind of hoover" they would understand you. Some of the more pedantic ones would point out that Hoover is a brand name just like Heroin.
    – JeremyP
    Commented May 16, 2018 at 8:48
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"Not an answer" is not the same as "not the answer", or "it looks like this answer comes from misunderstanding the question".

It means... "not an answer". Like asking a follow-up question, or spamming, or copy-pasting song lyrics.

It's self-evident that this must be the meaning of the flag, unless you think a small number of moderators having the power to decide on the correctness/validity of individual answers, in contrast to the democratic nature of the voting system, is really what Stack Overflow is and/or should be about.

Your flag was invalid; instead you should downvote the post.

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    What the heck's with these downvotes on mine and George's answers?! Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 10:55
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    Not sure, but it might have to do with them believing your answer doesn't address the question as the custom flag was the one that was declined (the NAA flag was only disputed). Having said that, "not an answer" is indeed not the correct flag to use. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 10:56
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    @Qantas94Heavy: The custom message is an appeal about the NAA having been disputed. The NAA was correct to be disputed, so the appeal was baseless and was right to be rejected. It's all the same thing. Certainly, asking moderators to delete answers because one person says they're wrong is fraking despotic. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 11:00
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    Song lyrics are an excellent answer to the question, "What's a good passphrase to recommend?" :)
    – Rob Grant
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 11:36
  • Second's answer has 4 downvotes. Robert's one is the only answer that got spared. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 11:47
  • @InfiniteRecursion: Not really. It has two. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 12:33
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit Some people, myself included, believe that answers that are clearly answers to some question, but equally clearly not answers to the question they were posted as an answer to, aren't really answers. For instance, I posted an answer to an obviously unrelated question to this question, and it got immediately deleted, as it should. (I do agree that in such cases, it makes sense not to flag as NAA, to make it clear why you're flagging, but I do not agree that that means that it is an answer. Yes, I am aware this means more work for mods, but that's not my fault.)
    – neminem
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 20:40
  • @neminem: It's additional work that the mods will not take on.
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 21:30
  • @neminem: Yes, I know some people think that. You people are wrong. Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 21:32
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    So if I go spamming up questions with "THIS IS MY PONY", it should rightly get deleted, but if I go spamming up questions (that don't have anything to do with javascript) with "Use jquery!", everyone should just downvote and move on? I'm not trolling, I'm honestly confused how that makes sense.
    – neminem
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 21:33
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit: You're getting downvotes because your answer tries and fails to address the question.
    – tmyklebu
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 21:38
  • @tmyklebu: Fails how? Or was that just a funny? (Can't tell) Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 21:56
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit: The answer referenced clearly does not "attempt to answer the question," which is the description of the "not an answer" flag. (Robert Harvey's answer does an excellent job of describing why OP's flagging behaviour isn't productive, however.)
    – tmyklebu
    Commented Aug 11, 2014 at 22:01
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit: Because you didn't debunk anything. It's real easy to repeat nothing.
    – tmyklebu
    Commented Aug 12, 2014 at 0:01
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit: It's you who's failing at reading comprehension, as has been pointed out many times already. You're welcome to point out the logic error you're alleging.
    – tmyklebu
    Commented Aug 12, 2014 at 0:04

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