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According to every post I've read on the subject, be it on the SE meta, or on this meta, Not an Answer flags are limited strictly to answers which don't even look like an answer.

And yet, when I flagged this joke:

Pseudocode:

function GetFifthElement(LinkedList list) {
    return ; }

Link to answer (from Nov. 2011)

Not only was the flag disputed, it accrued 4 up-votes (28 to 32).

While I am aware that things were different the four years ago this answer was created, I had thought that such did not qualify as an answer in this current era.

Am I wrong?

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    It is an attempt to answer a question even if it is a joke. The proper response would be to downvote if you think it isn't useful. If you really really want to flag it, then flag it for moderator attention and let them know that We Hate Fun™ and you don't think that a joke is an appropriate response to the question. I would not suggest doing that because it's a waste of moderator time, and you will probably get a declined flag.
    – user4639281
    Commented Oct 20, 2015 at 20:36
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    It is technically an answer to the question. (It's even a technically correct answer.) It's not a useful answer, but it is an answer. This is a good example of why you shouldn't use upvotes to indicate correct/incorrect, but rather useful/not useful.
    – Servy
    Commented Oct 20, 2015 at 20:39
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    @Daedalus Besides being an answer, that's a frickin' good pun joke though! Commented Oct 20, 2015 at 20:39
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    @TinyGiant, wonderful edit over there!
    – brasofilo
    Commented Oct 20, 2015 at 20:44
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    One one hand, we hate fun, but on the other we parse html with regex.
    – gunr2171
    Commented Oct 20, 2015 at 20:58
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    Just in case anyone missed it, the answer and question were posted three years ago.
    – user4639281
    Commented Oct 20, 2015 at 21:11
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    Posting non-obvious answers to homework questions is the spice of SO life. But we are not allowed to have fun and the grinch will show up sooner or later so it must go. Commented Oct 20, 2015 at 22:41
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    This might be the epitome of this persistent literalistic NAA asininity. If that post is an answer, then anything is an answer. "Pretend your array is a ham sandwich and peel back layers one at a time until you get to the mustard." is an answer. This post is absolute gibberish as a code answer to a coding question. Saying that this "attempts to answer" the problem is a mockery of the idea of SO.
    – jscs
    Commented Oct 21, 2015 at 2:05
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    @DavidBullock Then please expand and explain.
    – Daedalus
    Commented Oct 21, 2015 at 2:34
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    Just based on the picture, I'm still missing to see how this actually an answer, let alone a correct one. I am surprised there are people in favor of it. I can't tell if people are just being sarcastic on meta or not.
    – AdamMc331
    Commented Oct 21, 2015 at 20:01
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    @reirab so if someone pretends to be an idiot for a minute, they can pretend it's an answer. Then when they return to their senses and stop pretending, they can flag it NAA because it's more than clear that it makes no attempt to address the actual question.
    – hobbs
    Commented Oct 21, 2015 at 20:34
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    If it's obviously not what's being asked for, then it's obviously not an answer. I get the sarcasm, and would have no problem with it on Meta, but that shouldn't belong on the main site. I'm appalled enough people were okay with it.
    – AdamMc331
    Commented Oct 22, 2015 at 3:47
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    @TinyGiant: I don't think there exists any utterance that can't be construed as an attempt to answer a question. For utterance X, that question might for example be "what do you get if you add a curly-brace to the end of X, and then remove it again?". Personally I don't feel that's a useful interpretation of NAA, since I think some pseudo-answers should be removed due to not being answers to the question actually asked. The issue here, I feel, is not about the definition of NAA (which IMO this clearly falls foul of), it's whether the rules should be ignored in favour of permitting jokes. Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 16:12
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    @TinyGiant: yeah, so we're back where I started. By this interpretation any utterance X is a potential answer and nothing is NAA, because I could invent a programming language in which X is a valid program and then phrase a question so that X is the answer. If that's really how mods evaluate the NAA flag then I vote to remove it :-) To kick that off, I'm going to design a joke programming language in which the program Excellent question! Thanks for asking it, I have this problem too does something worthwhile but just obscure enough that someone might need to ask how to do it. Commented Oct 23, 2015 at 16:36
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    "Anything other than a clear-cut case of the answer existing in a state that could not possibly be construed as an attempt to answer a question" How much more clear-cut can you get than an inline image as the return value of a block of code, @TinyGiant?
    – jscs
    Commented Oct 25, 2015 at 9:40

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While I don't know what the reviewers were thinking, the response here on Meta might be the epitome of the persistently literalistic asininity that we see around the concept of NAA. If that post is an answer, then anything is an answer. "Pretend your array is a ham sandwich and peel back layers one at a time until you get to the mustard" is an answer.

Saying that this "attempts to answer" the problem is a mockery of the idea of Stack Overflow. This joke response is exactly the kind of time-wasting non-solution horse manure that I'm supposed to be avoiding when I come looking for answers on the premier programming Q&A site in the world.

return ;
is absolute gibberish as a code answer to a coding question, and that fact is something that any user of this site should be able to discern. George Stocker's NAA bar:

It should be immediately obvious to someone with no experience in the tag that the post does not attempt to address the question.

has clearly been passed with this post. It also falls into bin 5 of Robert Harvey's itemized list:

What mods are looking for when they see a "Not an Answer" flag:
[...]
5."Thanks," "I like turtles", and similar noise.

and is even compliant with his "Pro Tip: Mods do not look at the question when moderating "Not an Answer" flags." because there's no need to look at the question to know that "return inline HTML image of Milla Jovovich;" is a joke.

animuson also has strongly expressed the idea that obviously-joking answers have no place on Stack Overflow:

If anyone seriously wants this question unlocked, you'd also be asking for us to delete almost all of the total crap answers that are clearly April Fools' jokes because they definitely do not belong here.

If this same content had been posted as a comment, no one would bat an eyelash at deleting it. Its meaning and usefulness aren't changed by its having been dumped in the answer space instead -- although the importance of getting it out of the way certainly has increased.

You were absolutely right to flag this as Not An Answer, and the disputers of your flag were wrong.

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    '"Pretend your array is a ham sandwich and peel back layers one at a time until you get to the mustard" is an answer.' - well, technically, it i... dammit. Commented Oct 21, 2015 at 12:22
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    Can we lock the answer for historical significance? Commented Oct 21, 2015 at 12:24
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    Nvm. The answer^K question is already gone. Deleted after four years of existence. I can't say I disagree with the deletion, at all. Commented Oct 21, 2015 at 12:27
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    It's an answer in that it's been filled out in the answer box... and has code... but that's seems to be the only justification. Commented Oct 21, 2015 at 20:30
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    +1 for the colorful and hilarious retelling of Meta's tortured relationship with NAA Commented Oct 21, 2015 at 20:32
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    Why would it have been deleted without batting an eyelash if it were a comment? Are joke-comments verboten? Commented Oct 21, 2015 at 22:46
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    They're not, @KyleStrand, but they're also not considered valuable enough to fret about if they're, for example, in the way of other more substantive comments. I meant that had an equivalent comment been flagged, no one would be defending it as "an answer to the question".
    – jscs
    Commented Oct 21, 2015 at 22:53
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    While (imho) it is indeed not an answer (either to the question or at all) the questionner was shown in a humerous manner that his question lacks substance this way. plus, Milla Jovovich... I would've voted to close the question for not being a question first. Don't knock the importance of fun!
    – Kris
    Commented Mar 2, 2016 at 12:49
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    Now, THAT's a great answer (and THIS is probably a totally superfluous comment :-) Commented Mar 2, 2016 at 20:28
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The question may be garbage; it may be downvoted; this answer might be upvoted, but that does not change a bit about the fact that it's not an answer, nor an attempt at one.

In the interest of maintaining SO's professionality and quality I would like to see this Answer removed as "Not An Answer".

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it's too addictive and too easy, and in the absence of any moderation, the community would do nothing but add and upvote the easy, fun stuff. This is why community moderators have real power; they need that power to intervene, educate, and refocus the community's exuberance on more substantive content...

(The Trouble With Popularity)

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I agree with your original assessment, and the majority of the answers here: There is no technical value gleaned from the answer you flagged, and that much is obvious whether or not you have knowledge of either the movie or the problem at hand. I agree with the flag, and would have done the same. (The question is also of dubious value, so I'm glad that's gone too.)

I especially appreciate the careful wording of your question ("Using NAA on jokes that make no attempt to answer the question"), because it allows for the notion that there are ways to provide a useful, on-topic answer while also maintaining a sense of humor. Compare:

If you can't keep a pointer to each list node, keep track of the five most-recently-seen elements, and return the oldest value kept when you reach the end of the list. Pseudocode:

function GetFifthElement(LinkedList<T> list) {
  buffer = T[5]  # 5 element array
  index = 0
  for (element in list) {
    buffer[index] = element
    index = (index + 1) mod 5
  }
  return buffer[index]
}

list = LinkedList("Leeloo", "Dallas", "Cornelius", "Ruby", "Zorg")
GetFifthElement(list)  # returns "Leeloo"

If you don't know the reference, or don't care, you still get a good answer. If you do, then you get a good answer and a bonus.

StackOverflow is such a valuable resource today because, by and large, the top answers are the ones most likely to teach you something useful or to help you solve your problem. If you can think of a way to preserve that while having a little fun, all the better.

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