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Peter Wone
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The use of gender-specific pronouns on Stack Overflow
@JohnY - I did make several revisions in rapid succession. Going by the timestamps it's quite possible what we have here is a transactional problem, in which case I suppose I just have to take it on the chin and edit the first draft with more care.
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The use of gender-specific pronouns on Stack Overflow
@PatriciaShanahan - There's rather a lot of material on Google Scholar under "gender bias" which is what I just tried. Can you suggest a more targeted search term?
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The use of gender-specific pronouns on Stack Overflow
@Emily, the fact that "they" and "their" are plural is the first and most prominent fact in the Oxford dictionary entry that you cite. The entry goes on to document common usage patterns, but widespread abuse does not make the word singular, and the etymology is strictly plural. Adoption of idiomatic fads is a very common way to beg for group acceptance. I think this shows a weakness of character, which is why I refuse to bend to your will. I am therefore part of a minority group, so your own politics requires you to treat my every rabid utterance as sacrosanct.
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The use of gender-specific pronouns on Stack Overflow
@SList - I heartily agree with your observation about the absence of a vast pool of discouraged candidates. It is obvious to me that for their own inexplicable reasons girls just aren't interested. I've often wondered why. It's indoor work with no heavy lifting, and the few female programmers I've known were much more talented than your run of the mill male programmer. A politically incorrect question worth contemplating: Why is this a problem? In what way would the world be a better place if we did somehow coax more women into the industry? (And don't say dating options!)
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The use of gender-specific pronouns on Stack Overflow
@ninjalj - that is interesting and possibly true. But surely widespread printing slows this?
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The use of gender-specific pronouns on Stack Overflow
@John Y and all the people who up-voted his comment - my original comment already states that "it" is an object pronoun and unsuitable for reference to people, why did you feel a need to tell me this?
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The use of gender-specific pronouns on Stack Overflow
@EmilyL - you will find that I did in fact provide a source, because I knew that someone like you would make a comment like that. Also, dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive. 200 million people passionately avowing that 2 + 2 = 5 does not make it so. As to the value of citations, I've often wondered why people feel that second-hand information is somehow superior.
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The use of gender-specific pronouns on Stack Overflow
Noah Webster summarily decided to change several fundamental patterns of spelling and grammar simply to spite the English, and possession of a printing press does not make one an expert in anything.
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The use of gender-specific pronouns on Stack Overflow
As a matter of interest, "man" is gender neutral - etymonline.com/index.php?term=man - and English does have a gender neutral pronoun for objects: "it". What we don't have is a gender neutral pronoun that refers to a subject, and using an object pronoun for a person is both confusing and insulting. "OP" might well fill that void. Now that I think about it, op[erator] also works well here. Maybe we should all switch to lower case and also start pushing it in the rest of the world.
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The use of gender-specific pronouns on Stack Overflow
Hurrah for not-so-common sense. My own policy is clarity first, grammar second and political correctness a distant third. An examination of my works would no doubt reveal innumerable departures from this policy, but that's what I do when I give it thought. I do like OP as a new pronoun, since it greatly improves my chances of satisfying all three constraints. Capitalisation mandatory, since "op" is short for "operator".
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Are British/International English terms acceptable? (e.g. 'brackets' instead of 'parentheses')
@staticx - Quite. From a British perspective, American spelling is broken. Most of the differences came from one angry man with a barrow to push and a printing press: Noah Webster did not like the British. Please note that I am merely noting points of interest, and not advocating any particular course of action.
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Are British/International English terms acceptable? (e.g. 'brackets' instead of 'parentheses')
corrected spelling (nothing to do with dialectical variations)
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Are British/International English terms acceptable? (e.g. 'brackets' instead of 'parentheses')
@staticx - that's a very interesting comment. I assert that the hegemony you mention is quite real (good choice of words, too). It was certainly an accident of circumstance, but you need only look at these comments to see that because they find it convenient, Americans do protect the status quo.
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Are British/International English terms acceptable? (e.g. 'brackets' instead of 'parentheses')
Quite a lot of Americans call their language "American" and this is perfectly reasonable: "English" literally means "language of the people of England". "US English" is an oxymoron as is "Canadian French". If you declare that the language to be used is "English" then British spellings ought to be used. Since the preponderance of literature in software development uses American, the only sensible course is to acknowledge that it is mislabelled as being in English, try not to make the mess any worse, and for new works use correct labelling and spelling consistent with the standard in use.
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Is it fair game to vote to close "code doesn't work" type questions?
@Joce - I get the impression that I've offended you. I hope not. That said, I genuinely believe that you are busting a nut to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Give good answers, if you have them, and don't sweat the little stuff. If you think a question is stupid or lazy, ignore it. If you think it's a good question, then vote it up, answer it, give a duplicate xref answer. If the question is excellent but the language is too horrible to contemplate, rewrite. It will all come out in the wash.