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Currently only new Staging Ground questions are shown on tagged questions page.

That means significantly lower visibility of SG questions that have some other status. Lower visibility means that such questions mainly depend on feedback from the few people who already reviewed those questions. This can be especially problematic for questions that need re-evaluation as original reviewers might no longer be in the best position to judge the question.

For instance, you don't have to be an expert to see that some question is completely lacking minimal reproducible example, but when one is added you might not be able to judge whether the provided example is adequate.

Many curators and experts, especially in low traffic tags, use the tagged questions page to curate posts. Hiding Staging Ground questions that have already received some feedback in those tags is even more damaging. Not everyone will go to the Staging Ground queue and look for questions there.

Please show all unpublished SG questions in the tagged questions page and allow us to use the curating workflow we are already used to.

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    I think questions in "Major Changes"/"Minor Edits"/"Duplicate"/"Off-topic" are irrelevant in this regard and only questions in the "New" and "Re-Evaluate" states need to be reviewed normally.
    – dan1st
    Commented Oct 7 at 9:27
  • Also when looking into the list of posts in Re-Evaluate, it seems there aren't many posts in that state and the least recent "last activity" is yesterday.
    – dan1st
    Commented Oct 7 at 9:34
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    @dan1st personally I don't mind those states being shown in the question listing as well. With respect to the question listing, SG questions are similar to closed questions. Given we don't hide closed questions in the listing why hide SG questions (to be more specific why hide SG questions in certain states)? Commented Oct 7 at 9:35
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    @dan1st other states can also be relevant as their reviewers could made a mistake. Additionally, for some questions there may be just enough information in them that some expert could recognize the problem and fix the question to be publishable. When it comes to minor edits, again there are other users who can do such polishing changes and there is no need to hold on publishing such posts that can be fixed by others.
    – Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    Commented Oct 7 at 9:39
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    If a question in another state should be moved, the author should edit it, make any necessary clarification and request Re-Evaluation moving it to "Re-Evaluate". The UI should make that clear to askers (I agree that there are some cases where this isn't really done but I think it's better to improve the asker UI for that).
    – dan1st
    Commented Oct 7 at 9:46
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    @dan1st personally I dislike the "place SG questions in specific spots in the question list" strategy being used currently. IMO it would be much better if SG questions were sorted like normal questions. Some users might complain about there being too many SG questions but they can disable showing SG questions if they want to. The point of showing those questions there is to get more SMEs to review if the questions being shown to them are limited like that it's obvious that number won't go up much. If SG questions are sorted normally ones that need review will come up in the active tab. Commented Oct 7 at 9:55
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    @dan1st for questions that need review, there is always a SG review queue. If we want SG to be successful, then question should not be stuck there for a long periods of time, or never properly reevaluated. The more eyes are on those questions the more feedback they can receive. sometimes the feedback is too generic because reviewers are not SME, with more SME involved feedback could be more tailored to the actual problem.
    – Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    Commented Oct 7 at 10:08
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    If the feedback is too generic, the author can still re-evaluate the question and explain that in the comments. I just think that most questions in non-"needs review" states don't need any action from other users since that's what these states are designed for. And are you sure the question list prefers more recent Staging Ground posts?
    – dan1st
    Commented Oct 7 at 11:26
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    See Why are Staging Ground questions not sorted correctly with the Newest / Active sorting option? (and the dupe target) for random insertions. It randomly picks a SG question matching the tag.
    – dan1st
    Commented Oct 7 at 13:47
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    Ohhhhh, I see. Eh, yeah I think I wouldn't mind having more SG questions mixed in there that needed review (seeing the one is usually a cue that I need to swap hats and go SG review for a bit), but as for questions that have already been reviewed I wouldn't want them cluttering up the page/list. Perhaps the feature request should add query/filter parameters so reviewers can customize their feed. Is this what you mean by "use the curating workflow we are already used to"?
    – Drew Reese
    Commented Oct 7 at 15:38
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    @dan1st I do commonly go through the "major changes" questions to see if I can offer more precise feedback about the needed changes. And a fair amount of the time, I realize that although the question wouldn't be good enough to stand on its own, it's good enough to recognize as a duplicate. Commented Oct 7 at 15:54
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    If anyone can find a duplicate target for a question, it can be marked as such (in the Staging Ground) provided a reviewer can find a duplicate target but I don't feel like there's much of a point/benefit in searching duplicates for questions in "Major Changes" as opposed to just doing the same for questions in "New"/"Re-Evaluate". And for people who want to look at questions in "Major Changes", the /staging-ground page should be more than enough.
    – dan1st
    Commented Oct 7 at 16:06
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    by "tagged question page", do you mean the SG page with filters applied? or a custom tag filter page? or something else?
    – starball
    Commented Oct 7 at 17:36
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    I agree that it might make sense to come up with better "expected quality standards"/what is expected from reviewers and maybe make sure that every Staging Ground reviewer (even those that reviewed questions in the past) see that as part of some onboarding but I don't know whether onboarding like that would be implemented.
    – dan1st
    Commented Oct 9 at 18:47
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    I think there was the idea of some interactive onboarding process at some point but We need Staging Ground reviewer onboarding before showing it in the question list is all we got until now.
    – dan1st
    Commented Oct 9 at 20:00

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I actually like/prefer the separations of concerns between the Staging Ground being a completely separate area of the site away from the normal Questions page. I would find it difficult to switch between "SG quality review" mode and the normal "debug/vote/answer" mode of the question pages. Seeing a new, un-reviewed SG post in the questions is typically my cue to switch modes and actually go do SG reviews for a bit, with a completely different mindset, goal, and focus.

That said, I don't see much harm in including all SG posts in with the regular questions so long as they:

  1. Maintain the same timeline order and the published posts
  2. Are configurable/filterable in much the same way as regular questions, or toggleable via profile settings.

I'd prefer this to be more of an "opt-in" feature, where users would need to manually edit their views to include SG content with search results as SG quality-control is parallel to (a) searching for answers to my questions, and (b) searching for questions I can answer. I understand this hurts discoverability, so the Search Help page should be updated to include how to search/filter/include SG posts.

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  • When you say "search results" do you also mean those where there is just a tag in search or just all other searches? What I would like to have is that click on tag which leads to tagged questions page also shows all SG questions, and that this visibility could be changed through user settings. If I would have to type into search box some additional text to show them that would defat the simplicity of workflow and purpose of showing all SG questions to more people.
    – Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    Commented Oct 7 at 19:45
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    @DalijaPrasnikar Yes, here "search results" is the list of questions for whatever search criteria has, or has not, been entered in the box, be it a single tag, multiple tags, tags + query params, nothing, etc. I don't wish for the default question/answer view to have SG posts included, I'd prefer the extra few keystrokes/clicks to have them included. You can save your search to load later. It's my preference SG content be discoverable in the SG area.
    – Drew Reese
    Commented Oct 7 at 19:51
  • I am visiting many tags (although I am not doing the same actions in all of them), adding few keystrokes is a showstopper. I cannot save them all. I don't want to push SG questions on everyone, but I would like that those preferences could be set for user in our profile settings page. Just like there is now "Show Staging Ground questions" switch, another one could be added to show all non-published SG questions or not. Nothing less, nothing more.
    – Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    Commented Oct 7 at 20:08
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    Note that for the search, you can use the staging-ground:all/yes/no operator and whatever filters you like (but you cannot filter by SG state, that's only possible in /staging-ground).
    – dan1st
    Commented Oct 7 at 20:19
  • @dan1st Ah, son of a gun, they did add a section all the way at the end/bottom of the search help page for that staging-ground operator. Could use a bit of clarity though.
    – Drew Reese
    Commented Oct 7 at 20:23
  • @dan1st that operator only works partially as you say though, there's no staging-ground:all or staging-ground:no operator only a staging-ground:yes. Commented Oct 8 at 4:11
  • My fault, I remembered that incorrectly.
    – dan1st
    Commented Oct 8 at 4:50

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