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When downvoting a collective article a pop-up ask for feedback:

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The same pop-up comes when pressing the "Provide feedback" icon:

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It's a long established consensus on SO that downvote doesn't require explanations.

So now I'm wondering whether the pop-up after a downvote is a bug or whether it's a change of practice.

Yes, I did notice that I can skip feedback during downvote but still it's kind of pushing for feedback which is not what we normally see.

If it's a new feature, please read this as a feature-request to get the new feature removed.

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    If the upvote doesn't require an explanation, I'd class that as the bug.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 9:03
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    @VLAZ That's because upvotes are inexplicable. Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 9:12
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    @JeanneDark Yep, I can believe that. Saw a question that said "what's wrong with this code", the answer was "missing semicolon". Both had a total of 8 upvotes between the two. Can't explain that.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 9:20
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    This was copied from the failed Documentation project, launched several years ago. Exactly. We had the same objections then, too. (How is the downvote different from leaving feedback? Does leaving feedback implicitly downvote? Why are we now effectively required to leave feedback when voting? Etc.)
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 9:29
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    Really bugs me that the feedback isn't anonymous, and that the "skip" button is applied the traditional styling to make it less appealing to click. It's essentially de-anonymizing some votes -- feature or not aside, I consider that a problem and directly contradictory with how voting is meant to work Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 9:35
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    What happens to the feedback. Is it automatically converted to a comment? Something like "ABC, DEF and GEF think that this post is incorrect" maybe. Is the downvote still counted if one does not click on anything afterwards? Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 10:19
  • @Trilarion "Is it automatically converted to a comment?" Unlikely because it says it's private. "Is the downvote still counted if one does not click on anything afterwards?" Yes, and it will also still be counted if you click "Skip".
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 10:22
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    @41686d6564 what happens if you don't click anything? Is the vote still recorded? As in, you downvote, you get the prompt and you then leave the page without clicking either "Submit feedback" or "Skip"
    – VLAZ
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 11:28
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    @VLAZ Yes, the vote is recorded the second you click on the arrow. When the pop-up appears, you can choose to click away, click "Skip", or simply close the page. In all those situations the vote is still recorded. You can easily test it yourself and then undo your vote (at least that's what I did). Note that you don't have to join the collective to vote on articles.
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 11:30
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    What's with the different voting section design
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 14:36
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    I wasn't around for the Documentation project, but since Articles are designed to be longer-form content, which in theory may require more effort to put together, having another feedback option in addition to downvoting or commenting actually sounds like a good thing to me. The strong aversion to downvote feedback is well-known, but articles aren't Questions or Answers, they're a little different than traditional posts, so I think having feedback that's in turn a little different might be fitting and a good thing.
    – zcoop98
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 16:31
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    @zcoop98 I think the OP is fine with the feedback button. It's just the fact that the feedback dialog pops up automatically when the downvote button is clicked. I'm not really against (or for) this if it's kept exclusively on articles but I can see why it's a concern.
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 18:10
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    @KevinB It's how web design keep generating jobs. New design, new bugs, new hires to fix the bugs, new design, new... It's job insurance.
    – 4386427
    Commented Jun 24, 2021 at 19:11

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Thank you for your comments and feedback. This behavior you’re seeing is for articles only, the idea behind it is to encourage people to give the author feedback in a private manner on what can be improved upon so that they can make the necessary changes to the article. This is, as you mentioned, more of a “change of practice”. If somebody thinks there is something wrong with the article, we’re giving them an extra opportunity to help solve the issue.

To clarify further, this is newly implemented on articles only. The reason for this change is to promote and encourage giving feedback to the author when you choose to downvote. Articles are different from Q&A, we assume that most articles will take more effort and willingness from a user to write. We’d like to promote an article being edited and updated so that it can be valued as ‘high quality content’ versus all that initial writing effort going to waste. Users choose to downvote for a variety of reasons, our hope is that users will let the author know why they’re downvoting so that, if possible, the author can make the necessary changes to improve the article. Yes, this is an extra nudge to create a change of practice that we'll be monitoring closely through data and research.

Note that the downvote gets counted as soon as you select the button (while the feedback modal is displayed). You can click ‘Skip’ or anywhere outside the modal to close the feedback modal.

Answer to ‘How private’

The feedback and the user that sent that feedback can be seen by the author, Admins of the collective, any other users the author has added as an editor to the article and (soon to be) Mods (planned feature update coming). Your user ID shows up next to the feedback in the ‘Edit’ mode of the article. Note that all private feedback looks the same to the author regardless how it comes in, they cannot see if a piece of feedback was given by using the feedback button OR by downvoting and providing feedback. The downvote is anonymous, the feedback is not.

How can private feedback be moderated?

Most of the features that are in place for regular comments will be available (soon) to private feedback as well. We’re treating these like comments for now.

Why not just use comments

Not every user is comfortable leaving public comments. We’ve heard this more from newer users that are intimidated by the community (a.k.a. you fine folks ;p ) and afraid of making a mistake. The private feedback was tested in research multiple times and it received very positive results. Users liked the option of sending feedback that only the author would see versus it being public.

Again, we intend to monitor this very closely and have worked with the collective Admins around rules and expectations.

Why not apply this to Q&A

I think it's safe to say that a change like this on Q&A without proper research would not be the best approach. I would consider this 'change in practice' like an experiment. For now, we'd like to look at how this affects an article's lifecycle.

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    "we’re giving them an extra opportunity to help solve the issue" Isn't that what the "Provide feedback" button is for? One can choose to click the button manually if they wish to. This does not explain why it's necessary to "push for feedback".
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 17:26
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    How private is "private"? Is that only for the commentor and the poster or does the poster not even know who is commenting?
    – Scratte
    Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 17:31
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    Adding to @Scratte's question, if the feedback is so private that the poster can't see the commenter then how is such a comment moderated? Is there a feature for that..? Also why not make it public? Making it private means many people might suggest the same things over and over again instead of upvoting the previous comments
    – Sabito
    Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 17:34
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    @Sabito錆兎 "how is such a comment moderated?" The dialog says "Your profile will be associated with the feedback" - so, it can be moderated (somehow). Also, based on how I interpret that sentence, it looks like the post author can see who provided the feedback, but let's see if Carog will confirm this.
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 17:42
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    Another question: Why would I give feedback using this feature instead of just skipping feedback while downvoting and adding a comment instead. That way my downvote stays anonymous and I get to give the feedback I wanted. If comments are not for this purpose then what should they be used for? I feel like comments will only be for thank you comments :/
    – Sabito
    Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 17:56
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    Sorry for not elaborating more the first time, the answer has been updated with more details and answers to questions raised in the comments.
    – Carrott StaffMod
    Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 22:05
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    Then why not have the same thing for downvotes on all posts? I get that new users are intimated by the lack of feedback, but other users are intimidated by revealing who they are. Also because it's entirely optional what's even the point? When I downvote an article I'll just skip it and there's no feedback.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 22:17
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    Users liked the option of sending feedback that only the author would see versus it being public. ---> If the public sees a criticism on a post with a downvote, nobody will retaliate because it's not their post and they won't care. The author is the one who is most likely to retaliate. Shouldn't it be anonymous?
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 22:20
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    I don't quite understand the reasoning here. How is this different from "-1. You didn't link to the research"? There's a lot of post about why voting is anonymous and how quickly things can derail once you start talking about voting in the comments. "The private feedback was tested in research multiple times and it received very positive results.". Any links to that research?
    – Scratte
    Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 22:32
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    "Articles are different from Q&A, we assume that most articles will take more effort and willingness from a user to write.".. Excuse me?!? It seems to me you may not have spent a lot of time on Stack Overflow, because there's some serious effort in a lot of posts there.
    – Scratte
    Commented Jul 14, 2021 at 22:45
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    I hope you realize that when articles go public, feedback being non-anonymous and "forced" is gonna lead to some OPs wanting revenge rather than to take action on the feedback Commented Jul 15, 2021 at 5:09
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    I don't understand why it is only on downvotes. An upvote does not imply "wow this is 100% perfect!", it indicates usefulness. People upvoting can also have (private) feedback. Giving some people a podium and others not does not give the site a very good look, IMO. I know everyone can press the feedback button, but it's how things are made to look that causes the most confusion.
    – Gimby
    Commented Jul 15, 2021 at 8:27
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    I think it would be much much safer to experiment with this as separate "annotation like" feature, something like was proposed a while ago (by Stack Exchange CM!) here. Experimenting with such a fundamental and sensitive feature as voting is like walking on a minefield
    – gnat
    Commented Jul 15, 2021 at 16:06
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    frankly speaking, being "afraid of making a mistake" is a problematic mindset that impeds growth in oneself (I know this all too well myself). But I firmly believe that instead of catering to it by adding an option to hide from public scrutiny, we should provide more venues (or improve existing ones) for public feedback. IMO, this "private feedback" feature should be scrapped.
    – 0Valt
    Commented Jul 16, 2021 at 8:04
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    "The downvote is anonymous, the feedback is not." - Am I missing something here? Doesn't leaving negative 'private' feedback naturally de-anonymize the downvote since by leaving the feedback (with your user id attached) it's probable that you've downvoted?
    – Someone
    Commented Jul 18, 2021 at 2:50

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