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Closing good questions which have useful answers and apply to many developers for being "opinion-based" or "too broad" is one of the huge problems I have with Stack Overflow in general. It unnecessarily prevents developers from learning from each other in ways that are otherwise impossible--especially for isolated developers.

Here's one potential example: "What are the pros and cons of Unity vs Unreal Engine?" Allowing this question to remain and be answered gleans expert knowledge from real, professional users of each and helps people make informed decisions. It helps the community immensely to gain these insights from real users! I've answered and asked many questions with some aspect of opinion in them, and I want the opinion-part included and answered, because it helps me and others and combines experience.

Many questions which are closed widely benefit the community. See this search result for Stack Overflow questions which are closed: https://stackoverflow.com/search?q=closed%3A1.

  1. The very first one has 5426 upvotes with 12 answers, the highest of which has 3816 upvotes, yet it is closed for needing to be "more focused". I'm pretty sure a question with 5426 upvotes and and answer with 3816 is focused enough.
  2. The next one: 4513 upvotes on the question, 7177 on the main answer, yet it is apparently also not "focused" enough.
  3. This one, closed for being "opinion-based" has 2407 upvotes on the question, with 1635 on the answer.
  4. This one is requesting information on industry "best practices", from fellow developers, yet it "needs to be more focused"--this is an alias for "closed because it contains opinions."

All of these questions are closed when their upvotes very clearly yell that they do greatly benefit the community, and thousands more which could greatly benefit the community are closed before they even get the chance to begin gaining traction.

I vote we allow "opinion-based" questions on the site which either:

  1. expose constructive discussion on pros and cons of different techniques, as this helps us all as developers in our decision-making processes, OR:
  2. expose industry best practices, as this helps us identify patterns which are more-widely-accepted, more-widely-understood by others, and more-likely to be successful, OR:
  3. provides a useful list of tools or approaches to begin solving a problem, as this is immensely helpful as well

I'd like to stop seeing good questions closed--especially those which are widely-upvoted and have a strong answer base, purely for being "opinion-based".

Personally, I hypothesize that many people with closing power follow Stack Overflow's policy of closing opinion-based questions because they simply believe Stack Overflow got it right and they want to be helpful. The new generations of developers went to school (ALL of their college) after Stack Overflow had already been founded and gained an industry-wide foothold as the place to ask software development questions. This means that when this new generation got their jobs, they likely already knew that Stack Overflow was the industry standard, and believed that Stack Overflow is good, Stack Overflow does what should be done for sites like these because it is so successful, and Stack Overflow doesn't allow opinion-based questions, so that's how it should be. These new generations are trained from the beginning to see through a certain lens. Perhaps they learned to begin downvoting and closing questions which are "opinion-based" simply because that's what they see done all the time and that's what they see repeated they are "supposed" to do. They may not look as deeply as they should at questions and answers based on their merit, usefulness, correctness, and community contribution, and instead simply start scanning them to quickly identify if they might be "opinion-based". They then get a false sense of "helping" and accomplishment by closing these "opinion-based" questions. They think they are making the site "better" because this is what the main answerers want.

This is the status quo Stack Overflow has created. I challenge it because I think it is a mistake.

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    Related: yes; duplicate: no. Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 5:10
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    This sounds like a suggestion or a feature request, but you start it off with an assumption of how people think and what their mindsets are when they VTC questions as opinion-based. I don't know if you've got citations for that, but I think it would be better to focus on why these opinion-based questions adds value to the site or how this site loses value without them. Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 5:15
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    For a while I also thought the same: Opinion based questions have the potential to get more views and make $tackoverflow a thing. But then I realised that I, nor does anyone else wants to spend time answering a one sentence question that reads, "Should I use unity or unreal engine?".
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 5:37
  • @10Rep, that question should simply be answered as though it was asked: "What are the pros and cons of unity vs unreal engine?" Then it gleans expert knowledge from real, professional users of each and helps people make informed decisions. It helps the community immensely to gain these insights from real users! I've answered and asked many questions with some aspect of opinion in them, and I want the opinion-part included and answered, because it helps me and others and combines experience. Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 5:41
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    @GabrielStaples Yea, sure it helps people. But the thing is people need to answer it before it can do any help. And I just don't see anyone answering a one sentence question here. Plus, when I googled "unity vs unreal engine?", I get tons of youtube videos and blogs. Why do we need to get into that set of search results?
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 5:43
  • @10Rep, some things aren't so easily Googled. Here's a question I asked which was closed for being "opinion-based". I was seeking industry experience from others. It certainly is not a 1-line question. Take a look: stackoverflow.com/questions/52732931/…. It even received 3 answers before being closed. It was an engaging question to those answerers. Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 5:46
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    “Many others just follow the lead and automatically learn to begin downvoting and closing questions which are "opinion-based" simply because that's what they are trained to do and told they are "supposed" to do.” - So everyone is just a lemming? They cannot possibly believe that questions seeking our opinion isn’t helpful? Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 5:59
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    @SecurityHound of course. Who would believe that trained, skilled and experienced developers, users with decades of testing and debugging, could possibly have minds of their own and make informed decisions? Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:04
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    I like the post but you'll get much disagreement with your hypothesis (it's easy to get wrong). Also, it's important to note that you (hopefully) are not generalizing opinion-based questions, but talk about these rare perls that sometimes are posted. I very rarely see questions like that, but when I do, they get the attention they deserve.
    – akuzminykh
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:04
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    @GabrielStaples How do you know that? Many users with closing and moderating powers are actually people who went to college. Unless you provide stats I won't believe you.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:19
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    "This exposes a constructive dialog of pros & cons & industry best practices." Yeah, that's precisely the problem. It opens up a dialog. Stack Overflow doesn't do dialog. This is a Q&A site. If it can't be objectively answered, then it doesn't belong here. Also note that we tried this before, based on popular demand, creating a separate site for these types of questions. It didn't go well. Actually, it was a complete disaster. That site's scope has been changed drastically since then, which is the only reason it's still afloat.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:25
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    What do you see as the difference between a "weekly" user and an "hourly" user? Why do you think that I, or others, wouldn't benefit from these type of answers? There have been plenty of times when I've had and wanted to ask a question that I knew wouldn't be allowed on Stack Overflow. It's just that I have a good understanding of why the site has the rules that it does, based on experience of what works and what doesn't.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 7:00
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    I can guarantee you that nobody is "sitting there ready"... You're just underestimating the sheer scale at which Stack Overflow operates. Someone is always there; it's almost never the same someone. For example, you've never received more than ~5 votes from the same person (either up or down), and even that has only happened a couple of times. So, contrary to what your comment makes it sound like, it's not like there's a small cabal of users who are single-handedly downvoting and closing this type of content.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 7:19
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    I see. Thanks for updating with examples. Based on those, it seems the "opinion" aspect is actually a red herring. The problem with those questions is neither that they are opinion-based nor that they invite discussion/dialog. The problem is simply that they are too broad to be conclusively answered in our format. If broken apart into smaller questions that asked about different aspects, I think they would be perfectly reasonable questions for Stack Overflow. But currently, as posed, they are book topics, not Q&A topics.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Nov 23, 2020 at 22:54

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Ultimately, in order for a question and answer format to work, questions need to be able to be answered, not just discussed. That's the entire point of having a question and answer format.

That doesn't mean that all subjective questions are terrible and can't be asked. The linked article has some clear guidance on what we consider a constructive subjective question, but again, it must be possible to answer questions with facts and evidence (rather than just opinions and discussion).

Discussion forums may be interesting or entertaining for the participants, but if you're an outsider looking for specific information from the thread you usually have to wade through endless me too! comments and thread hijacking to find it.

With that said, note that Software Engineering SE does take somewhat more "subjective" questions than SO does, so you may want to check to see if your question is on-topic there.

Also, speculating on the motives of people who close questions is little more than an ad hominem attack; it does not provide any relevant evidence in support of your conclusion even if true (which it isn't).

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    I feel you on the "forums" part. Thousands of "it didn't work" and "me too!".
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:06
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    @10Rep Me too!!
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:28
  • Opinion-based answers can be fully written and answered. I've done it. Many have. They can be answered. Tens of thousands of upvotes on answers on closed questions readily prove this point. I think what your argument should say is simply that they can't be definitively stated to be the "right answer". Rather, they answer simply reveals tradeoffs and "industry best practices" or "industry common practices"/practices you are likely to see in industry. Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:51
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    If they can be answered they aren't opinion. Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 7:07
  • @user4581301 I'd like to point out that answering with an opinion doesn't make it an objective answer. A question of "Should I use X or Y" might be answered by somebody in quite an authoritative tone but still all stem from "You should choose X because I like it better".
    – VLAZ
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 8:34
  • @VLAZ I think we're making the same point. Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 19:15
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Well, such 'questions' fall into two categories:

  1. Grossly underspecified requirements that, if any answer was possible, would be as close to guesses as anything else,(99.9%).

  2. Requirement specs that ask, essentially, for a system design to be done for free, (0.1%).

So, no and no.

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You know, when I joined here and started curating this site, I saw the opinion based close reason and thought the same thing as you. At the time, I knew what Stack Exchange's existed for, which was to provide a useful repository of knowledge.

The thing is, nobody wants to answer a one sentence question that reads,

Should I use Unreal Engine, or Unity?

The question asker didn't put much effort into their question, and now the answerer has to spend at least an hour cooking up a good list of reasons.

You may argue that a new contributor will answer, but their answer may go something like,

uNitY bEcaUSe yOLo

or something similarly crappy, then it will be downvoted, and far from providing useful knowledge, it will simply litter the site. You see, questions have potential to be useful, but these questions need to get good answers. That's the thing.

Also, you've mentioned this question, which you wrote that was closed as opinion based.

Right off the bat, I can tell that it is asking if [something] is good or bad practice. We don't encourage questions like these, because 99% of questions that relate to "good or bad practice" give such obscure cases. Plus, think about it. A lot of people view questions even after they are answered. Who will go looking for a question that reads, "Is [this] a good practice?"? Remember, all questions need to have value for future readers as well, not just the answerer.

In any case, your question has a net score of around 0, and you actually got an answer with a good net score! It contributed (somewhat) to the repository of knowledge we try to build.

So, to conclude, we don't want to allow opinion based questions, as there's just no scope on Stack Overflow. A lot of them will go unanswered, and without answers, questions don't contribute anything.

I go by Makoto's answer which I read 2 mins ago. I realised that on a site like Stack Overflow, there's just no place for opinion based questions. Experts don't want to answer them, they can be crappy, etc.

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  • I wonder how true this is: "A lot of them will go unanswered, and without answers, questions don't contribute anything." We don't really know unless we let them go unanswered for...let's say, 1 year. That gives the Google bots the weeks or months they need to find it and make it searchable, plus regular users time to stumble into it and answer it. Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 5:58
  • @GabrielStaples As I and many others have said, experts don't want to answer one liner opinion based questions. You may argue that not all are one line, but I adress that in my answer. And as you say, if "regular users" stumble upon it, they may give one liner answers as well, which, again, we don't want at all.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 5:59
  • My question isn't really about 1-liner questions at all. A good question shows research. It should be a 1-liner title, followed by research and thought, as my question is, or shorter of course, but along that vein. I don't want 1-liner questions left open either, I want good questions left open. They will show some sort of thought and research. Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:00
  • "The thing is, nobody wants to answer a one sentence question that reads, [...]", you are simplifying this too much, this is 1. wrong and 2. not a real argument. "[...] the answerer has to spend at least an hour cooking up a good list of reasons.", there are tons of cases where simple question have extended answers. I think you are missing to actually address the problem that the OP is talking about.
    – akuzminykh
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:01
  • @GabrielStaples I have adressed that in my answer.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:01
  • @akuzminykh I have adressed the OP's example in my answer. The short answer is that nobody will go looking for a question that says, "is [this] a good practice?". It just goes against the goal, intent and style of SE.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:02
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    @10Rep The OP is not talking about pure "is [this] a good practice?"-ish questions, but about ones that we can truly discuss and so on. You are redeucing the problem to bad examples that work for you as an argument but skip the actual point of the OP. "It just goes against the goal, intent and style of SE.", yes, but you know .. things can evolve .. and apparently SO was much more open-minded in this direction in the beginning. Now it's very strict and this is what the OP addresses. At least the way I'm understanding it.
    – akuzminykh
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:14
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    @10Rep And by "discuss" I don't mean questions where any user will just drop their opinion based 2 cents. Just questions where someone can really write an extensive answer that requires the reader to think when they apply the suggestions on their specific case.
    – akuzminykh
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:15
  • @akuzminykh Can you give an example? Regarding SO, the thing is people need to answer questions. If people don't want to answer and disagree, then we might as well close them. The thing is nobody will probably write an extensive answer and if they do, it probably won't get viewed. Like, where is the value in such questions?
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:16
  • Regarding SO: Things evolved, and, given the reception on this post, probably won't evolve backwards (maybe in a million years, but I'll be dead then :(
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:18
  • @10Rep, you're making huge assumptions here when you say: "The thing is nobody will probably write an extensive answer and if they do, it probably won't get viewed." I write HUGE answers regularly--I mean, like really thought-out, tested, meticulous, article-type answers. And, I'm not alone. And yeah, they get viewed too. Here's one: stackoverflow.com/questions/44034633/…. Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:27
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    @GabrielStaples But you said it yourself in this comment. Somethings dont get googled. If they don't, then they have no value for us and we close them. Simple. And the example you refer to was asked waaaay back. Notice that it's closed because now, it won't get views and won't help anyone.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:28
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    @10Rep, I do not mean people don't Google them, I mean: when people Google for them, adequate answers do not exist. One observation I have made is crystal-clear to me: the internet is far far FAR from complete. It has gaping holes. We can fill them. Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:29
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    @10Rep Yeah, you have a point there, this post here will most likely not start a revolution. I think the examples by the OP are working just fine to illustrate the problem. The problem with these is that they are pretty old ...
    – akuzminykh
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:31
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    @akuzminykh Yes, it won't start a revolution, but that doesn't mean it's not worth anything. I learnt a few things just by writing this answer. And you've raised awareness about this, which is also important.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Nov 21, 2020 at 6:33

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