I came here to share my experience and elaborate on how the programming community I came into at the age of 12 almost ruined programming for me. Sorry to make it anecdotal but I feel the ethos will really contribute to my argument, so that's what I'm doing.
I remember creating my first Stack Overflow account at 12. I’d been “programming”, if you could really call it that, in BASIC and VB for a few years. Just simple stuff, trying to write my own minimal text editor, learning a lot from Stack Overflow answers. I’d never had to ask a question before, for a time all my problems were so general that it was simply never necessary. Until one fateful day a little over six years ago.
Had Stack Overflow only shown me the answer I needed I never would have posted. I didn’t read the rules, I didn’t include a minimal, reproducible example, and it wasn’t very well put either. Mind I was TWELVE YEARS OLD.
The post is marked as a duplicate by six users and downvoted 5 times. No one offers me help, and no one asks for a better example because Stack Overflow has trained them to be harsh to their fellow programmer and this community is hard-pressed to consider any end-user but themselves.
Without help, I never figure it out, and I don’t come back to Stack Overflow for help for another three months. I’ve been 13 for four days when I post again. I’m failing to understand what’s causing a syntax error in VBScript, so I ask. I’m met with not only downvotes but what, for lack of a less provocative word, is cyberbullying in the comments. Four people respond; three of them provide nothing constructive, three of them aren’t solving any problems. All of them have reputations ranging from 1000 to over 150,000. They earning more for acting this way.
I stay away for an entire year next time, proceedingly asking six questions over a three month period. One receives an answer. I’m getting nowhere so I log out and I uninstall Visual Studio, Eclipse, and Brackets. External circumstances aside, the programming community on Stack Overflow is the reason I stop programming for an entire year. For most of this time, I’m dead set that I will never program again because it simply didn’t feel worth it.
Out of embarrassment for my history on the original account, I make this one. Arguably, having learned more and matured over the past year, I’m better received on the platform. I was more terrified every time I posted. Looking back on it now I’m still embarrassed for the questions I asked. I look at my account and I see it how everyone else did in the first place: I was a kid, self-taught, who had no understanding of efficiency or the data structures I was using. In some sense I still am, and I still don’t.
For the past three years, I’ve decided it was just better never to ask a question. To spend four days figuring out whatever little problem I had, making thousands of Google searches. It was, as it remains, emotionally easier for me to not be part of the Stack Overflow programming community. Sometimes I come back, and I find new questions with the same naivete of my own, and I just answer them. I’ve only answered 8 because I don’t like spending time being in this community at all.
So why did I bring all this to Meta today? Because I logged in again. I am always logged in, I find answers here still. But today I clicked into my profile and I was reminded of the failures of my past self. That I’ll never be as good a programmer as I want to be. That this imposter syndrome I feel is so much the result of starting young on Stack Overflow. Of other programming telling me very directly that I don’t know what I’m doing.
I spent easily 10 minutes determined to find the “delete account” button on my own. I clicked it, I said I was sure, and for a few minutes, that was that. My posts stay up anonymously, my account still exists on the rest of the network. I undo it, because why waste the opportunity to finally write down how I’ve felt using Stack Overflow over the last six years of my life. More so I looked back at the question I’d asked, and those I’d answered like them.
I’ve talked with friends, I’ve been on this network for some time, and I hate to know that so much as one person has suffered even close to the experience I did on Stack Overflow. I’ve had friends quit programming forever, I’ve seen accounts never post again, and I was almost there.
The argument that Stack Overflow and the larger programming community weren’t prepared for the influx of young and inexperienced programmers is an invalid opposition as well as a gross understatement. It feels great today to be in college, to be enjoying CSE with teachers and students who get the limited scope of understanding, and it feels great to be able to help these people now who need what I needed before.
This community needs to feel accountable. More than that, this community needs to realize that so much of their new audience will become the future of this field. Stack Overflow and the programming community are letting us all down. They let me down. There are already at least a decades worth of new and young programmers who never got what they needed here. I’m one of them, and for as close as I came to giving it up I’m one of the more fortunate here. All of us have fallen a great deal short of the mission and mindset that pretend to support the core values of this network. Along with this, there seems to be a massive disconnect between the network and its community.
I don't have a solution. But I hope someone at Stack Exchange will at least take the time to consider that more needs to be done.
EDIT (per Jeanne Dark's suggestion to elaborate on possible improvements):
I guess I’d expected Stack Overflow would be more helpful. Like (I’m paraphrasing) Magisch said the community is resistant to beginners at best, and downright unsuitable for anyone who doesn’t already have the skill, at its worst. That, back to the naivete of a young programmer, I could ask any questions I had about programming and someone would hand me the solution.
Obviously I understand at this point that things are not so. But things could be so much better than they are for the next generation of even younger programmers who will inevitably come to Stack Overflow looking for answers. The Code of Conduct, in some sense, addresses this problem. New posters are even marked to make other users aware that they should go easy. But this is far from enough.
Frankly, I understand why everything is setup how it is for sheer volume of input on the network, but I also think it would be much better if the rules held the reigns a little looser, even on veteran users. There are too many people turning away from this field because it’s so hard to get into programming, and the way Stack Overflow has chosen to handle them only makes the slope steeper.
Recent corporate changes from Stack Exchange as a whole as well as moderator cuts are resignations are, to my understanding, just making these sort of problems worse. I’m aware, too, that work has been done, as I explained above in this edit, to help new users out.
With only one post ever marked as a duplicate, no awareness of the flagging system and having completely ignored to read the Terms of Service at, need I remind you, 12 years old I was not aware of better options than to just quit while I was behind.
To be clear I’m not trying to target the network or its programming. While more work can certainly be done to ease people into using Stack Overflow correctly, a greater portion of the issue remains in the users who continually get away with this kind of thing. I’d love to see some intelligent AI scrubbing posts but I hardly expect that. What I think would be easy to implement and beneficial to the wider contributing community would be well-advertised and public, possibly across the network, reeducation on decency and understanding that the community these people are part of has changed. That you shouldn’t go in guns blazing to flag, downvote and mark up every post that doesn’t fit into the perfect criteria. Because the tiny “new poster” under my name isn’t cutting it, and it ceases to apply even if I never improve the quality of my questions. Once again I understand that there are standards in place and, to an extent, they are justified, but the community and the developers may need to reconsider both the rules and the repercussions to new askers and abusive community members alike.
EDIT 2 (final remarks, if you will have them):
I don't find that, due mostly to offered solutions, this post is a duplicate to the one it's been linked to.
Clearly this is going nowhere. So in a note of finality for myself I'll explain further: The big issue wasn't that I was poorly received, my age hardly matters in all this unless your picking it out specifically to criticize. The issue is that the community members that did respond, for the most part, had no intention to seek clarity, or to try and help. Duplicates didn't help (there was only one), flagging is ineffective and at the time I wasn't aware, and a lot of the community seems less eager to help their fellow programmer and more so to chase points at the end of the day.
I wasn't helped and, yeah it was in a big part "my fault". But that doesn't excuse how Stack Overflow and the community, in witness to negative behavior, have allowed it to pass. No one tried to clarify my questions. I know there are some great people on this platform, who I'm sure could have helped better, but they are far outnumbered by those who will dismiss any question that won't earn them the points they want in a timely manner. That I suppose, finally, is Stack Overflow's biggest problem I can pinpoint. Too many users are over-interested in helping themselves, even if it makes the experience worse for others.