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Update: Our v1 experiment is done. We used a template loosely based on enderland's answer for this experiment. See this post for an overview of the results.


Based on your feedback the DAG team is working on several projects related to question quality. On the low-hanging-fruit side, we’re going to A/B test some question templates. (As a bonus, we're finally getting around to addressing a feature request we've been hoping to work on for several years.)

Once we have some template variations, we’ll show them to different groups of users who have asked fewer than some number of questions and have less than some reputation. Then we’ll compare the quality of result and see if templates help improve questions or not.* The primary goal here is to validate the concept of giving new users a question template. Among the secondary goals is finding what sort of template (if any) works best.

That’s where you can help. What sort of guidance do you think would most help new askers provide the information needed to get useful answers? An obvious item that came up over and over again in the mentoring experiment is the importance of an MVCE. We can also demonstrate code block formatting, which would help many askers. But are there other, perhaps less obvious, hints we could include in a template?


Please note we are also investigating some sort of “ask your question” wizard-type feature. Templates may very well be incorporated in that eventually. We’re very much in the proof of concept stage. Exact template wording will be much less helpful than principles.

For the moment, we're focusing on Stack Overflow because it gets so many questions from new users that it'll be quicker to get statistically meaningful results. Once we have results, we should be able to transfer that knowledge to other sites on the network. For now, let's focus on guidance specific to asking code questions.


Footnote:

* We're working with our data analysis team to determine what metric to use. The details are coming soon, but we'll be looking at whether the question has:

  • a positive, negative or zero score
  • been answered
  • been closed (possibly excluding duplicates)
  • been deleted (possibly excluding self-deletions)

We are aiming for a (mostly accurate) way to grade each and every question submitted based on the community's feedback.

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    Highly related - meta.stackexchange.com/q/278444/193412 - this covers most problem cases for questions which are actually good fits for SO.
    – enderland
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 18:36
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    I think instead of a template i'd rather see guidance there. For example, some info from here: stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask or maybe a list of things to NOT ask about. Maybe also some just in time hints when users type in common words that derail questions, such as "best practice"
    – Kevin B
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 18:56
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    Also see: Let's improve Stack Overflow's "Ask a question" page!
    – jscs
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 23:05
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    MCVE is not the only problem. There is also number of blatantly off topic questions asking for libraries, code writing requests, too broad how to questions without research effort, opinion based questions, hardware and software related issues that don't belong on SO. IMO there should be some sort of wizard guide that would also include all above bad options and if person selects wrong one it would get the message that is not appropriate question. Only after they pass that first step, there could be some MCVE template to help them polish the question.
    – Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 9:19
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    Funny you should post this. I placed this comment and this addendum... in Meet Team DAG! (Developer Affinity & Growth) in regards to how the "How to Ask" box should be modified; just a few upvotes but no response. Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 12:44
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    Personally, the "front end" is probably (just) as important as what happens in the "back end". What users see in front of them, shows a better picture on how to "play their part" and what their role is when "playing ball" in the ballpark arena, as it were. The less they know, more the questions keep rolling in (like oranges) without a clear explanation of what the problem is, and/or where their code is and/or their attempt at first solving this themselves. We need to focus on what they should do, rather than having us constantly telling them/posting links in the help section etc. Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 12:54
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    When thinking about templates, please be careful that the template should not be a prefilled part of the text you enter. I agree with Kevin B, that it should be a guidance instead of a strict template. I have seen far too many GitHub issues or other issue tracker entries where users have literally filled out the template, keeping all the terrible surrounding template structure. That’s really not improving question quality at all.
    – poke
    Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 13:01
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    I really think a wizard approach that can be disabled at a certain rep threshold is answer to this problem. Take a look at Chris Baker's mockups: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/253317/998328 Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 17:12
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    @CodyGray Random and arbitrary deletion of answers seems heavy-handed in the extreme. At a minimum, you need to give a better rationale for having done this. There was no humor in my answer, and it's hard to make the case that it amounts to "GTFO". I supposed one could make the case that my answer was not an answer to how to build a template. On the other hand, it is a perfectly reason template feature to have "exit lanes" where the poster is gently guided away from posting at all.
    – user663031
    Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 18:28
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    Has anyone suggested using machine learning on past bad questions to identify when new bad questions roll in? No one wants bad questions on SO, but the ones that have been asked so far are a trove of wealth for finding like items. If we train for known types of bad questions, the OP could get real-time feedback on what they're doing wrong as they're crafting their crummy question. Static guidance may help all types of bad-question-askers equally poorly by trying a 1-size-fits-all approach. Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 20:30
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    Why not also (finally) raise the bar and prevent anyone from asking unless they have read How to Ask and taken the tour? If you dont require user8675309 to read the guidelines and learn how the site works, you ought not be shocked (SHOCKED, I tell you) when they post sewage. If they are not willing the expend that much effort, how much do you expect them to spend on their post? Commented Oct 19, 2017 at 1:21
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    @Plutonix: It's such a good idea, we built something similar that users with less than 10 reputation have been forced to view since June of 2009. So we're trying something else this time.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 19, 2017 at 1:55
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    Maybe they could be motivated to produce better questions by giving them some indicator of likelihood of getting an answer - like a "Password Strength Indicator". The likelihood of getting an answer might increase with more references to places they had looked and more code blocks and more tags. Commented Oct 20, 2017 at 8:29
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    I guess the main problem with this kind of template is that it assumes that most newcomers who ask a question have essentially a good question to ask, and all they need is help in making their question complete and clear. But my perception (perhaps incorrect) is that is not the case. Most newcomers post essentially unsalvageable questions. If the template or wizard can't steer the OP into deciding NOT to post yet another debug-me NullPointerException question, I can't see this making things much better.
    – Raedwald
    Commented Oct 20, 2017 at 9:21
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    Why was this question posted when meta is already FULL of topics that already address the issue of new users and question quality? Templates in particular have also already been discussed with little success (low votes) from what I perceive. It does not speak well to the entire purpose of Stack Exchange question archives when the dev team itself must revert to rehashing the same topics over again. There are already many gold nuggets of great suggestions that have been posted for many years, especially regarding new users and question quality.
    – C Perkins
    Commented Oct 21, 2017 at 15:07

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I propose SO improves the suggested questions feature. Here's why.

I know that poorly-worded questions are going to be difficult to help, but I just made a comment on this post and when I pasted the exact question title into Google the 2nd result was a SO question from 2011 that had the exact answer that I think the OP wants. However, that question from 2011 did not come up in the list of suggested questions for me when I created a new question just to test this. If it had, and if it had stood out to the OP, I'm fairly certain they would not have wasted their time posting, and anyone else's time reading.

Therefore, I suggest that a good way to reduce the number of unnecessary questions is to improve the suggested questions feature.

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    This is also something we are working on as we improve the underlying search infrastructure. I'm not sure what this answer has to do with question templates, however.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 20, 2017 at 0:45
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    @JonEricson it has nothing to do with templates, I suppose, but in my opinion a template is not going to do nearly as much to help address the issue as improving the suggested questions feature.
    – Jason
    Commented Oct 20, 2017 at 15:48
  • ...so you see Jason, because your answer was not deemed suitable although it might solve the problem at the root of this question, thus rendering the question redundant, you get a down-vote. :(
    – Nick M
    Commented Oct 24, 2017 at 15:01
  • @NickM that's fine.
    – Jason
    Commented Oct 25, 2017 at 17:22
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    @NickM: Search failure is definitely part of the reason we have bad questions. It might have helped avoid that particular duplicate. But fixing search requires architectural changes that we are working on the background. So no matter how much we want to fix the problem, we have to wait for the developers working on search. But we don't have to wait for that work to be done to test templates. So that's what we are doing and why we are doing it now.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 26, 2017 at 18:41
  • About the template. Maybe you can ask the user to fill in tags first then show the form possibly with a template if based on tags you have one deemed appropriate. About search, hare you just using ES or are you also using some ML to evaluate and categorize?
    – Nick M
    Commented Oct 26, 2017 at 20:01
  • THIS! I've started just immediately going to "ask a question" and typing out my thoughts, because the questions it starts to suggest on the side are always significantly better than the ones that come up if I ask the question in my specific wording. Further, every time I find one this way, I wish I could make it so the question I wanted to ask forwards to it without a ton of work.
    – Seph Reed
    Commented Oct 30, 2017 at 19:22
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Each site has a 'tutorial' help screen (the one you get a bronze badge for scrolling to the bottom of). At the moment I can't even find this page.

On this page are two lists. One says 'do ask a, b, c', and the other says 'don't ask x, y, z', with green check marks on the dos and red Xs on the don'ts.

I've always felt that these two lists should be readily available for any site, not just hidden away on that page, and especially should be presented any time you ask a question. Even knowing they exist, it's extremely hard to find them to compare my question against. And the fact that they're different for every site makes it even harder to remember making it even more important to display the question-asking rules for each one.

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    I think you are talking about the tour. On Stack Overflow, new users are funneled through this page before they can ask. It doesn't include all the items from the tour, but I think it's aiming for similar guidance. That said, I can see how embedding this sort of advice in a template as an HTML comment might help askers.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 19, 2017 at 6:11
  • "And the fact that they're different for every site is even worse." This is necessary and a good thing; each site is different and has different scopes and expectations; different ideal question formats. If we had the same restrictions for other sites as we did this one, then there are probably at least half a dozen SE sites in the network where literally 100% of the questions are suddenly close-worthy... not even considering topicality.
    – TylerH
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 17:42
  • @TylerH I only mean "worse" in that it's harder to remember and even more important to show the dos and don'ts for each particular site, not that all sites should be the same. Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 19:33
  • There is way too much information on the tour page. If someone is anxiously trying to find an answer to a problem they are having all the stuff about voting up and down and badges and whatever is really just a distraction. It's their first question. "Questions you haven't tried to find an answer for (show your work!)" Also a problem. Show your work does not make sense in the context (which is a list of what not to do). Lots of that is good information for once you get your first vote or a badge or whatever.
    – Elin
    Commented Nov 16, 2017 at 4:02
  • @Elin I'm specifically referring to the two check lists that are on the tour page, not the whole page. Commented Nov 16, 2017 at 6:14
  • @DaveCousineau I am agreeing with you but making an additional more critical comment about the tour page and the content of the check list item that says (show your work) is confusing. If nothing else it should be (show your work instead) but it makes that one item not parallel in that the others are all more strict "do nots" with no suggestion about how to edit.
    – Elin
    Commented Nov 16, 2017 at 9:04
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Preface

Stackoverflow should not be so concerned about fewer new questions being asked because 99.999999% of all the general problems already have duplicates.

Ad revenue is not made by lots of people asking new low quality questions, it is made by people finding answers to old common questions that have been answered, most of the time for years.

Accepting all the sewage as someone else calls it, is actually drowning out the answers to these highly common questions.

So punitive measures to people selfishly ignoring the site guidelines and just posting read me the docs, send me teh codez, and explain this code line by line questions can never be too severe.

Right now, these people easily claim ignorance, many times when they have a long history of asking the same types of questions selfishly that is easy to see.

All that said, I still think this is a better idea to help force the education of new users and remediate the flood of low quality questions from brand new users that selfishly want an answer to their highly localized, most likely off-topic and assuredly low quality question immediately and do not care about anything else.

The idea of a one size fits all template is a terrible one.

The idea of a few templates for a few special question types is a terrible one.

Any kind of template system will fail, no matter the number of templates, because if the template is just pre-defined headings they will either be ignored or just deleted by the problem users. If it is a form with individual fields, the the current Title field kind of proves that approach as useless as well, no reason to expect better form field data than the current title data.


Want a different outcome, you have to force a completely different behavior!

The idea of offering users a "type/classification of question" drop down before they ask a question that includes all the off-topic classes as well as a few common general type of on-topic questions and a Other is the most effective direction to take.

Some Example Categories ( not complete )

On Topic:

  • I am getting an error message and I do not know what it means.
  • I have some code that compiles and runs but give the wrong results.
  • I have some code that does not compile and I do not understand the compiler error.

Maybe On-Topic/Maybe Not:

  • I have a question about how to do something the best way.
  • I have a question about which design pattern to use.
  • I have a question about some code and how it works/why it was written that way/etc.

Off-Topic:

  • Why did the team X team do Y?
  • Which framework should I use to do X?
  • Framework X vs Y vs Z?
  • Explain "some basic CS concept/theory" in detail.
  • Where can I find examples of X?
  • Lots more all listed in "What not to ask?"

Other:

  • My question does not fit in any of those categories?

Other should go into some kind of queue like reviews to get people to vote on what category it fits it. If say three more people pick Other then it is Other, if it is something Off-Topic then it should be a strike against them and after some point of them just picking Other over and over, they should not be allowed to pick Other anymore.

When those Off-Topic types are picked, the user is educated why they should not ask that type of question, and this should be tracked, especially when they then pick Other. If they go ahead and ask a question and it is closed for that specific off-topic reason(s) they have picked then it should weight like 10X against the question ban.

There are a few basic machine learning and expert system techniques that could improve the remediation of low quality questions easily. And fewer low quality questions means probably an order of magnitude fewer low quality answers.

This requires a completely different behavior and would more likely result in different outcomes.

Templates is just more stuff to ignore; which is actually no different behavior than now.

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    Fortunately, we are just doing a pilot test of one-size-fits-some templates. If the results are encouraging we're planning to build out something similar to what you suggest. I think it would be terribly shortsighted of us to ignore the volume of bad questions and so we are not. This very meta question is part of a defense-in-depth strategy we've pursued for years. (Please see: my answer to "Why are there so many bad question?")
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 16:49
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    @JonEricson - "baby steps" in the wrong direction ( template ) is not going to provide any validation to a completely different solution. That is like saying you are going to learn how to ride a bicycle with training wheels and if successful you are going to race F1 cars. Actually "baby steps" always lead to failure, it is a process designed to prove failure not success. It is a process of "doing enough to fail and no more", in the 30 years I have been doing software development.
    – user177800
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 16:58
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    I think a better analogy is testing a scale model of a race car before building the actual car. I'm willing to be persuaded that a single template test is not representative of the self-categorization system you are suggesting. But it's not helping to jump to absurd arguments.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 17:16
  • scale model to full size are not any less absurd for more valid experiments either because of many reasons, the most important one is material physics. A single template test is nothing more than a single template test, it does not even begin to represent what a multiple template system would result in or how it would perform. Even more so, it does not even validate anything other than that single template that was picked performs. Maybe a different template would perform better or worse. That is why A/B/C testing exists. Single template == baby steps mentality and an invalid outcome.
    – user177800
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 17:39
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    Correct. This is why we are collecting ideas for several different templates to A/B test. We're looking at just testing one template to start in order to verify the initial work. If that test is encouraging, we'll probably jump more quickly to a template selector. If it's not encouraging, we'll test a larger variety of templates (probably in parallel to save time). If templates don't work at all, testing will help us know why they don't work. We've long passed the point where intuition is a helpful guide to approaching this problem.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 17:52
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    I can tell you the only reason you need to know why the template(s) no matter how many will be a waste of time. Human nature, which is P.C. for selfishness; dictates that the target audience will just delete the template text and do what they do now. Or if they are forced to enter in stuff into template fields will enter nonsense into any mandatory fields, kind of like the Titles are today, mostly garbage. Templates will not change behavior. You have to change the behavior to change the outcome. Forcing them to do something different forces a different behavior and thus outcome
    – user177800
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 17:59
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    The most selfish thing an asker can do is ask a question that will actually get a useful answer. Of course many people will just ignore the template. (I expect many won't even bother to delete it.) But the thesis of this test is that a template might help a tiny portion of askers create good questions rather than bad ones. We've tried the silver bullet approach with little effect. Forcing users to do something different often results in users finding more innovative ways to cheat.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 18:29
  • I was also skeptic about the idea of a template that is both generic and useful enough... until I actually saw one in another answer. Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 16:37
  • @ivan_pozdeev - put gibberish in all the fields and then delete the entire block of text is what will happen by the target audience this is trying to address. It is just a trivial speed bump for the least amount of effort help vampires.
    – user177800
    Commented Nov 3, 2017 at 14:41
  • @JarrodRoberson Not 100% of them. If even 20% will, that will already be a huge win. Currently, I see that many (most) newbies -- not help vampires, even those showing genuine effort -- honestly don't know what information to include for us to be able to answer. Commented Nov 3, 2017 at 15:23
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    @JonEricson "The most selfish thing an asker can do is ask a question that will actually get a useful answer." I reject this premise. The most selfish thing a user can do is ask a low effort, crap question that a bunch of answerers have to guess about the details and they choose the one that happens to guess right about the final output. It is vastly less selfish to create a useful question that gives a good presentation of what their current understanding is and what they find confusing about it. Such a question also generates very useful answers.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 23:26
  • @jpmc26: So the data suggests downvoted questions are unlikely to get even one answer, much less several. If you want multiple answers, your best bet is to ask a question that gets upvoted. Of course, new users are not likely to understand this and some users aren't going to ask good questions no matter what. My point is there is untapped potential among users who would like to get answers, but just don't know how to ask.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 2:46
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    @JonEricson These questions are frequently upvoted or receive answers before I see them to downvote. Even I fall into the trap of trying to answer questions that have failed to clarify their needs occasionally. What's worse is that they virtually never go back and clarify once they start receiving answers, even when explicitly asked. I don't know how'd you'd even quantify that, but it's clear that voting, especially early voting, does not reflect quality that well.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 3:45
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    @JonEricson Also, have a more readable query. I took the liberty of looking at some additional calculations. Negative scoring question have an over 30% chance of getting answered; nonpositive scoring questions have an almost 50% chance. Nonpositive scoring questions comprise 60% of all answered questions and 70% of all questions. This shows that askers consider the odds for no effort questions to be very worth posting them.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 4:54
  • @JonEricson Of course, I'm ignoring the fact that some good quality questions are never upvoted and some (possibly many) poor quality questions receive a positive score. I don't know how much this evens out, and I don't know of a way to measure it. But the data certainly suggests that the odds of getting an answer even on a bad question aren't that bad. The cost of asking a bad question is also very low, so in a cost/benefit analysis, asking a bad question might even have a bigger probability of payoff for the effort involved.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 5:04
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please mention somewhere in the question panel that you can ask a question only every 90 minutes. so this makes them think and present the question in a more simplified and direct manner.

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The thing that is missing from almost every question I see is a complete lack of attempting to think through their issue and understand what information they need. Essentially, the vast majority of questions are missing an attempt to answer the question themselves. The result is that the asker often doesn't have a good grasp of the task they're trying to perform. This results in missing but necessary details (Unlcear) and low quality questions that are trivially solved by combining a couple or a few other simple operations (Gimme teh codez, closable as Too Broad for asking to do multiple tasks).

Note that this is not optional in crafting a good question. You must go through these steps to be able to to articulate the nature of your problem. You must go through these steps to identify individual pieces of your complete task, rather than just asking others to do you work for you. You must go through this to be able to clarify what information you are looking for.

Here are two ideas to start working with.

Explain what you do understand about your problem

The user needs to articulate their current understanding of the situation. Without this information, we cannot judge where their understanding currently lies and what is wrong with it and what is right about it.

This will include information like

  • What the user tried (and why they tried it)
  • Information the user discovered during research

Explain what you don't understand

This helps the user nail down exactly what it is they're actually looking for. It helps them identify for themselves where their understanding is going wrong.

This includes things like

  • Specific behaviors or details that the user finds confusing.
  • Guesses about cause (the location, the direct reason without knowing how to fix it)
  • Specific requests for information

Going through this process will prevent the asking of many questions, as users will often find they untangle the issue themselves.

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    "You must go through these steps to avoid dumping a question that is solved by a trivial combination of other simple tasks." A question that is solved by a trivial combination of simple tasks is not off-topic at SO by that metric alone.
    – TylerH
    Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 17:05
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    @TylerH No one said it is. That does not prevent them from being of extraordinarily low quality. Such questions categorically deserve downvoting. The goal is to drive users toward high quality questions and discourage the asking of low quality ones.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 20:27
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    If something seems off or poorly phrased about this post, please let me know. Perhaps the wording can be refined. But if users are fundamentally opposed to the idea that askers need to actually think through their questions before asking, then this entire template and any other effort to improve question quality is a complete waste of time.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 20:42
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    Let's apply this logic to one of my recent questions. "What do I think the answer should be?" I literally have no idea. "What confuses you?" "Quite frankly, everything about this situation." I'm really not sure how that'd help me when asking a question...?
    – Makoto
    Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 20:43
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    @Makoto You thought the answer to your problem is something to do with the hooks directory missing. You were confused about why one wasn't created, especially given that one is created on your local machine. This is information you spent a great deal of effort hunting down and trying to answer your own question. (+1 for a good question, btw.) Any ideas on how the wording here could be improved to make that clearer to you?
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 20:49
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    I think users are fundamentally opposed to the restrictions you personally feel should be applied. Simple questions are OK as long as they are specific, on-topic, and objective (and not a duplicate). Just because you don't personally like them doesn't make them low quality.
    – TylerH
    Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 20:51
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    @TylerH Then why is "lacks research effort" a downvote reason? A question like I describe fundamentally fits into this category. These questions also very typically have edge cases that the asker never addresses, even upon specific requests for clarification, leaving answerers guessing about what the actual requirements are. Yet such questions frequently receive positive scores; we really need something to discourage them.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 20:54
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    Hmm. I suppose I can agree with the "user needs to articulate their understanding" bit. However, that's an incredibly tough thing to master since it's so horribly nuanced, and subjective to, well, how others view the question. As a template, it's tough to say that this would be serviceable since there's nothing realistically stopping a bad asker from stating what I did. The difference in those two situations is actually looking into the question and determining what's going on as opposed to a static check which could be cheated. I agree with the spirit, but I don't see it working out.
    – Makoto
    Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 20:54
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    @Makoto Honestly, if a template can't get users to articulate their understanding, then the whole thing is a waste of time. Yes, it's a hard skill to master, but the fact that asking a good question is a difficult skill doesn't mean we should tolerate low quality questions. Perhaps if something in the vein of what I'm suggesting is included, it would at least act as a good heuristic for low quality questions when a user fails to answer, and maybe more users would readily downvote them.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 21:02
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    @jpmc26 Because a question has a simple answer, or a problem a simple solution, doesn't mean that the user didn't research it. I have seen many questions across this site & when googling for answers to my own questions over the years where the solution is not documented anywhere official, and is buried in some obscure site 14 pages down in the google results, with the solution being some simple one-liner. That's simple; trivial. It's also not easy to search for. Quit applying your bias to a category that doesn't deserve it. Downvote questions where research would yield an answer, instead.
    – TylerH
    Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 21:02
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    @TylerH I didn't say simple questions are necessarily bad, particularly when some documentation fails to communicate the solution well. I said that questions that are trivial combinations of other simple tasks are bad questions. Consider for example, "How do I print out the contents of a file to the console?" This is not a good question. It's a trivial combination of "open the file" and "print the lines" and would have been solved with a trivial amount of research. But even a simple question benefits from the user explaining where their gap in knowledge lies.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 20, 2017 at 21:05
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    I'm frankly horrified that three people thought "make askers think about their questions" should be downvoted.
    – jscs
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 1:38
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    I suppose it is a bit clearer now. And it reminds me of jmac's puzzle analogy.
    – jscs
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 2:29
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    @TylerH Questions that lack research or any attempt to understand the nature of the problem are categorically low quality, though, and such questions by definition lack these. I really feel like you're not even trying to understand the point I'm making; you're too focused on overgeneralizing the word "simple." None of askers, answerers, or readers are better served by being unable to piece together two lines of code on their own. If that is really not a dominant opinion, then any effort to improve the quality of questions is doomed to fail and we should all just give up.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 15:42
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    @TylerH No, I'm being specific about what kind of question I'm talking about. I've clarified in comments several times and even edited the answer to try to be more clear. Yes, some simple questions are good questions. However, the majority of seemingly "simple" questions I see are either, "Write my code for me because I can't be bothered to read two other questions and figure out how to put them together," or actually have a ton of edge cases the OP didn't bother to even consider or clarify their needs for. These are not good questions that offer any lasting value to anyone, even the asker.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 16:29
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How about when a user first creates a question we dim the website and show him a guided tour? Something like how it's done in Android:

Image

We could add "copy your code and click to format it, never link to a screenshot" as a step. And as a first one I'd add something like this:

Is your question about programming?

Stack Overflow is a site about developing computer software. If the problem you're facing is not about creating your own program or tools related to coding, you should probably ask elsewhere. If you have a problem with installing/configuring third-party software, ask in Super User instead

A short, 4-5 step tour like this could help, especially if we make it full-screen and obtrusive enough (not a small box to the right of the editor). Granted, some people will spam the next button, but at least people who genuinely didn't know how Stack Overflow works, now do. Of course, this would appear only for the first question asked.

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  • +1. That proposition reminds me of mine, back in June 2009 (meta.stackexchange.com/a/521/6309)
    – VonC
    Commented Nov 8, 2017 at 13:30
  • Oh god no. I hate it when apps do this, not to mention websites. I usually click through these "holding hands" tours without actually paying attention, just to get it over with.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Nov 16, 2017 at 8:12
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One thing I would like to see added, which may apply more to some of the other sites, than to SO specifically, is to keep the post limited to one question, or at least one narrow topic. I've seen this several times across the various SE sites. User posts a question, and at the end of the post, adds a tangential question, that would be better served in a separate post.

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    What do you think should be in the post template to prevent users from posting multiple questions at once? Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 16:11
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How about suggesting the user how a good question looks like, just like

Questions that may already have your answer kind of illustration.enter image description here

We may name it as Best questions look like and list the best questions so that a user can have a glance at them.

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All good answers. I would also suggest a decay period of time or reputation after which the template won't appear. Unless a question is closed. In which case the users gets the template again.

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    We'll need to see if the feature even works before trying to refine it. ;-)
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 23, 2017 at 21:29
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How about encouraging people to include the version numbers for the library/libraries their question relates to? I'm talking about things like React versions, NPM/NuGet package versions and the like .

At the moment if you look at an answer, use the code and it doesn't work you then have to try and work out if the code actually relates to the version of the library you are using as well as just working out if you are using the code incorrectly. That seems like a real time waster, especially when you are learning a new library and have a lot of questions and little experience.

(I do appreciate that tags handle that in some cases)

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    I agree this is something I'd like to prompt for. Might not be helpful for every question, but is vital for some questions. The difficulty (for the asker and the system) is identifying which question is which.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 26, 2017 at 17:57
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Nothing.

Seriously, nothing.

The vast majority of people who post garbage questions are the same help vampires that haven't bothered to actually read through the tour, or How to Ask, or search to see if their question is already answered. To be blunt, they don't give two s**ts about asking better questions, they don't intend to contribute to the community in any way shape or form - they only care about getting an answer to the problem that they are having right now.

Attempting to encourage this type of person to post better questions is a waste of everybody's time. Whether you go with a template, or a wizard, or even someone physically sitting next to them and holding their hand, it's not going to prevent them from posting their terrible incoherent word salads. The only benefit that a template/wizard would have is to add more hoops for them to jump through, which would presumably be enough discouragement to thin their numbers somewhat.

Until Stack Overflow accepts that bad questions are a result of bad users, and does something to address the latter problem, the former problem is going to persist.

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  • You may wish to reconsider your phrasing, given the fate of an earlier answer with a similar view. Don't let the substance of your point be lost because of the form.
    – jscs
    Commented Oct 30, 2017 at 12:19
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    "The only benefit that a template/wizard would have is to add more hoops for them to jump through, which would presumably be enough discouragement to thin their numbers somewhat." Sounds like progress to me. Commented Oct 30, 2017 at 16:30
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    I encourage you to read my answer to "Why are there so many bad questions?" In any case, there's very little harm to trying something new while we wait for the technology to deliver a jolt of electricity to people who ask bad questions.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 30, 2017 at 19:22
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    @JoshCaswell "Be Nice" is BS because it assumes that everyone is trying to be nice, which is very obviously not the case with help vampires. "Be Nice" is what's killing Stack Overflow and until and unless the powers that be accept this, we are going to continue to be inundated by tides of crap. Considering Spolsky's only aim nowadays seems to be monetising the s**t out of SO, maybe that was always the end game.
    – Ian Kemp
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 5:47
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    I'm largely in agreement with your answer; that's why I was worried about it.
    – jscs
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 12:25
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    I don't think most people know they are help vampires, they just haven't been "shown the light" so to speak. If we implement some kind of wizard that walks them through the right way to ask a question and provides not only guardrails but walls that prevent them from proceeding before providing the necessary info to craft a quality (or at least not worthless) question, that's progress, no? Doing nothing accomplishes nothing... you don't really want that.
    – JeffC
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 14:36
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    there are no bad users if all the users generate income. by definition these bad users are the best users for generating income given their numbers and proclivity for coming here for every problem no matter how small or trivial for a copy/paste answer.
    – user177800
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 17:17
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    @JarrodRoberson when SO started it didn't need these bad users to generate income because it was getting income from web search visitors finding answers in good questions. Such a pity that attracting income this way seems to be becoming a forgotten art. As evidenced by recently introduced spammy banner that will likely repel / distract such visitors
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 17:24
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    @gnat - when it started, rep actually had some value because it actually quantified something because it represented something valuable, now it does not really represent anything other than I do lots of the things the system rewards me for, most of which are meaningless because anyone can do them
    – user177800
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 17:33
  • @JarrodRoberson Are you confusing reputation with badges? The system does not confer reputation (except a one-time association bonus of 100 rep); users do that manually.
    – TylerH
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 13:26
  • @TylerH - no I am very aware what rep is now and was before the last 4 years.
    – user177800
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 13:32
  • @JarrodRoberson Okay, well then you're mistaken; the system doesn't reward rep to users.
    – TylerH
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 14:00
  • @TylerH - then what does? The gamification is part of "the system" if not the system in its entirety!; it rewards great questions and answers the same as it does crap questions and answers. It encourages help vampires to put as little effort as possible into questions and provides them with the entitlement attitude to the immediate gratification they desire and get. "the system" rewards all the crap users even more than the non-crap users. So you can say what you want "the system" rewards rep as the incentive to not care about the system as a whole, like cancer that kills the host over time.
    – user177800
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 15:12
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    @TylerH - the system rewards you for asking questions, not good questions. It rewards you for posting answers, not good answers, it rewards you for being "fastest gun in the west" without any consideration to correctness/quality, it rewards you for not caring about the system in the whole, it punishes you for caring and honestly rating crap as crap, it rewards those that bitch and moan about downvotes with an outsize outpouring of "counter" upvotes. The system is the gamification rules and they have been screwed for at least 6 years and other than making question downvotes free, no change.
    – user177800
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 15:16
  • @JarrodRoberson "then what does" Like I said, users. There are problems with rep and with the system and with the company's priorities, but let's not conflate direct deterministic outcomes with systemic issues.
    – TylerH
    Commented Nov 1, 2017 at 15:19
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It would be extremely useful if the user was strongly prompted to provide a JSFiddle or something similar. Just pasting vague code can make things very difficult. I've noticed a lot of people end up commenting immediately asking for a JSFiddle. That seems like a waste of everyone's time.

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If the problem was an error or exception, what is the specific error message, and (if applicable) the stack trace?

Can't have vague "I got an error" questions.

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  • @KevinB the other fields in the template
    – Nissa
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 19:00
  • @KevinB is correct; we're starting with a very lightweight system of prefilled text. But this answer might still be useful if we move to a more complicated system that guides the asker through the process of posing their question.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 19:09
  • @JonEricson I can still edit for what it could be here.
    – Nissa
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 19:11
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    I hate long stack traces, almost as much as I hate 100 line package.json dumps, and they are rarely necessary.
    – user663031
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 20:08
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This is a suggestion for a specific kind of question that requires HTML, CSS, JavaScript constructs. I have observed that many users present their code by using the code sample instead of a code snippet. For instance, users will post something like:

HTML

<div>My HTML code</div>

CSS

div {
   ...some CSS...
}

JavaScript

var myJs;

This is a clear situation where the code snippet is better suited since it will produce a running example that can be visualized inside the thread.

If possible to catch this case, the user could be presented a callout indicating that her code could be structured inside a snippet to create a running example.

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    I usually see the opposite problem, people posting Java code, configuration files, or even log messages as code snippets. I blame the naming and it probably can be at least improved if not solved, not sure if it's related to a template though.
    – Oleg
    Commented Oct 20, 2017 at 18:19
  • All the more reason to clarify the purpose of the code snippet. As we see it is being both misused and underused, depending on the nature of the question. This is not related to a template but it is related to generally improving the quality of questions. Commented Oct 20, 2017 at 21:04
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    Stack Snippets are not even well-suited for the majority of web programming questions. Rarely do people post complete code that runs as a snippet, and it is hardly ever necessary that they do so. Experts can solve JavaScript errors without seeing a complete web site. I don't think more encouragement to use Stack Snippets is necessary. As Oleg says, most of the time I see them, they are misused.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Oct 22, 2017 at 8:11
  • Speaking from experience in PHP, this encourages code barfing. People will use this to post reams of code that aren't relevant to the question. CSS and JS don't cause PHP parse errors...
    – Machavity Mod
    Commented Oct 23, 2017 at 12:41
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The best way to improve question quality is to reduce the number of questions that are asked at all. The template should suggest that the poster first search, debug, rubber-duck, and avail themselves of all other avenues for solving their problem before considering posting on Stack Overflow.

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    The cynicism is strong with this one... :)
    – enderland
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 19:13
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    The best recommendation so far... unfortunately looks like the goal to have more "why my String.Replace does not change string" duplicates just better formatted... Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 20:26
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    @AlexeiLevenkov: We have several other ideas for helping people find duplicates before they ask. If we are specifically looking to reduce duplicate questions, we'll make that the primary metric we look at. For this particular test, that's not the goal.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 17, 2017 at 20:36
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    @AlexeiLevenkov Thanks for clarifying. I understand the scope of your initiative now. But in more general terms, it's more than just duplicates. It's questions from people who sometimes don't even know what language or framework they are using, or ask questions which are so rudimentary they literally have never been asked before, or make debugging requests that they could figure out themselves in five minutes if they knew the most basic debugging techniques.
    – user663031
    Commented Oct 18, 2017 at 4:24
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    The problem is that SO is famous! Instructors are pointing brand new coding students to SO as a way to get their questions answered. However, these new coders have no clue what they're doing, and not enough knowledge to even realize they're asking a question badly. They even think that asking their question on SO IS doing their research.They also tend to vote each other's bad questions and answers up, thinking they're helping a friend out. I can't think of any template that's going to help those users understand what and how to ask.
    – leanne
    Commented Oct 25, 2017 at 17:34
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    @enderland It isn't just cynicism. It's true. Asking a question really should feel like a strange thing to do. We live in an age where most documentation is readily and freely available and searchable and most of the simple questions have already been asked on a searchable, well organized Q&A site. If you find yourself posting a lot of questions on SO about mature technology, it's a good indication you're not doing enough research or breaking your problems down into smaller tasks.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 15:50
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You're overdoing it... All you need is one field for the question in detail.

Asked questions have a title. Then follows the actual question - the content. The question often contains details that you cannot (and should not) include in the title. A well-formed question should include a more detailed question referring to the content. I propose that any asked question should have a refined question at the end. For the same reasons that you have a summary when you write an essay.

Detailed Question: Considering the structure of well-written essays, doesn't it make sense to use the same concept for StackOverflow questions?

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    No, questions are not essays. I want clear and concise questions, not a life story. If a question is long enough to benefit from a summary, it is probably too long.
    – user4639281
    Commented Oct 25, 2017 at 14:32
  • Summary might be the wrong term. Still, I have gotten many appreciative comments on questions where I have adopted this pattern. What I'm suggesting is just a way of enforcing good pedagogy. If you have a question followed by lots of blah blah blah it makes perfect sense to repeat the question.
    – l33t
    Commented Oct 25, 2017 at 14:45
  • Or you just remove the blah blah blah, so you don't have to repeat the question. If a question has too much blah blah blah, no one will read it. Reducing the noise while increasing the signal increases both the question quality and chance of getting the attention of experts in the field.
    – user4639281
    Commented Oct 25, 2017 at 18:34
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Not a template suggestion, but a related suggestion to improve the quality.

How about after pressing 'send' on a question without any code included, the user is prompted with an alert with a message along the lines of the following?

Please include at least a few lines of relevant code in your question. Questions with code added have x% more chance of being answered in the next y hours. Of all questions without a code sample, z% has not received an answer after { days.

The statistics are likely available.

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    Only debugging questions require code. For most every other type of question code is usually unnecessary and noise.
    – user4639281
    Commented Oct 19, 2017 at 14:33
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The problem with a comprehensive template to cover all possible transgressions is that it will be tl;dr and we'll be back to telling OPs to RTFM.

I would suggest using a deep learning approach to the problem. Train on a subset of all the OPs that have been closed together with the reasons for the close. When an OP is identified as confidently close-able, display context-specific help based on the predicted reasons for the predicted close. Neural networks can make predictions very quickly so the user can have a wait time of less than a second.

The user has to at least close the warnings dialog to post. Then it's a teachable moment. Discover and Explain is the way to go IMHO.

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I know the StackOverflow folks already use Microsoft technologies (I saw evidence of this at this year's Microsoft Build conference!) so this is not far-fetched: how about you employ the Language Understanding Intelligent Service (LUIS)? You could possibly integrate it with a chatbot, to interactively assist the user as s/he phrases his/her question and provide live feedback not just as to the completeness of the Question form, but also as to whether it successfully illustrates a minimal, complete, and verifiable example, and whether it's already been asked (displaying a list of similar questions as StackOverflow already does). I think it's time StackOverflow (SO) takes its user interface to the next level and capitalize on the numerous Artificial Intelligence (AI) advancements already available and make it clear to visitors that it is running on interactive AI--which it already is, just it's not a very attractive, engrossing, effective, and self-correcting interface... otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion! A chatbot or virtual assistant of this sort could greatly enhance SO's image and give it a personality, thereby (through its new, more active and involved chatbot/guide/assistant) achieving the goal of helping people ask better questions via the ultimate user-friendly conversational template! It will do all the hand-holding that is presently absent and disallow bad/incomplete questions to get through. It's just got to be executed right so it doesn't become a stumbling block for users or get in the way of what StackOverflow already does sooo well--and that's the tricky part!

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    This might be the endgame, but we are starting off much slower to verify we are on the right track. We've not had great luck building complex things lately.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 16:34
  • Wow, this is the first I hear about the StackOverflow Documentation site. As much as I've used the Internet for answers to my technical questions over the years, I'm surprised I never ran into it. I do see my idea as a very grand scheme with a similar potential for failure I guess, but hey--we're brainstorming here, right? ;) Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 17:21
  • ... /complex/overly complex/ things lately.
    – user177800
    Commented Oct 31, 2017 at 17:44
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    Thinking that an advanced technology would solve all your problems for you -- especially those you can't even formulate -- is a frequent and grave mistake. Doubly so for M$ technologies. Beyond the glossy look and rich promises typically is a minefield of labyrinthine design, bugs and arbitrary limitations at every step. Which you can do nothing about 'cuz it's closed source. They usually create more problems than they solve. Commented Nov 2, 2017 at 16:30
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The irony is that this is a wrongheaded question.

When you're thinking about shaping users as a primary goal (which is much of what SO does) then the problem is the system, not the users.

How about asking a different question:

Given SO's significance as a platform, how can it be shaped to accept and encourage more diverse uses, types of users and ways of considering the practices, paradigms and processes of programming?

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  • Why should the system be changed? What kind of questions would you want to allow?
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Nov 16, 2017 at 8:11
  • Because it's digital fascism. All coding questions.
    – Confused
    Commented Nov 16, 2017 at 14:53
  • Can you be more specific? What kind of questions aren't allowed now, but would you want to be allowed?
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Nov 16, 2017 at 15:10
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    Far and away the biggest problem I see with questions right now is too many don't have enough information for other people to answer them. Almost as bad, sometimes the information is there, but buried by irrelevancies. It doesn't matter who is asking a question if it is unclear or unanswerable. Unfortunately, people tend to use shortcuts to evaluate the merit of a question and those shortcuts tend to favor questions like the ones that already exist. So better questions could help diversity.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Nov 16, 2017 at 21:01
  • @Cerbrus I really do mean it: ALL coding questions. Shape the system to deal with this diversity rather than trying to shape users to the system. It's 2017, nearly 2018. I think it's high time the world's largest collection of programmers figured out how to use some of its technologies, toys and talents to benefit the entire spectrum of itself. And all those newly coming to coding and programming.
    – Confused
    Commented Nov 17, 2017 at 5:41
  • @JonEricson you make allowances for the answerers more than you do the questioners. And then defend this by attempting to suggest it doesn't matter who is asking the question. It always matters who is doing something. Someone famous asking a question badly will be treated differently from some unknown with exactly the same wording. Someone good looking will be treated differently, too. You can't avoid these aspects of crowds in a network anymore than you can enforce morals.
    – Confused
    Commented Nov 17, 2017 at 5:49
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    And you use this "better questions" subjectivity that's pertinent only to the experienced in this same sense of subjectivity. It's a subjectivity suited to those bound up in entitlement and power issues, and this is and are also parts of any entrenched system's attainment of power and its sustainment. So there's yet another reason to consider changing the system. This is one of the reasons behaviour around here is akin to a type of fascism that I call "digital fascism".
    – Confused
    Commented Nov 17, 2017 at 5:50
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    "Someone famous asking a question badly will be treated differently from some unknown with exactly the same wording. Someone good looking will be treated differently, too." That is simply not true. That's not how SO works. (Burden of proof is on you here)
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Nov 17, 2017 at 6:29
  • @Cerbrus Sure... and no SO users are subject to the winds of change. Nor do they succumb to the temptations of trends. Take a wild guess: am I being literal or figurative?
    – Confused
    Commented Nov 17, 2017 at 17:25
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    Neither. You're being sarcastic, @Confused. None of your comments, nor the answer have given us a reason to take this rant seriously, so I shall refrain from doing so.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Nov 17, 2017 at 17:28
  • There it is: "us". Achievement unlocked.
    – Confused
    Commented Nov 17, 2017 at 18:21
  • That "Achievement unlocked" above, that's sarcasm. The rest is not. Including the part where I point out that your use of "us" is the proof positive of your belief in what you perceive to be an ideal SO brand of digital fascism. Which I'm trying to point out is a subjective reality that's limiting yourself (and others) needlessly. Look at the question I'm suggesting be asked in my answer, please. Read it carefully. It was written with some degree of care. When you asked me to be more specific it was clear you probably haven't even read, and certainly didn't bother understanding, that question.
    – Confused
    Commented Nov 17, 2017 at 19:57
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    @Confused: I'm saying that before Stack Overflow, it was hard to find answers to long-tail programming questions. So people needed to ask themselves. With answers available via Google, there's no barrier to entry except internet access. But we've travelled a long way from my question. (I also do not appreciate or accept the adjective "fascistic" when it comes to people who answer questions. Most just wish questions had the enough information.)
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Nov 17, 2017 at 23:43
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    @Confused you're obviously confused. The problem with the site is not a lack of questions, nor even a lack of open questions. The problem is that alarge portion of the 8000+ questions we receive every day are either unanswerable garbage, or will never be useful to anyone other than the OP. Both of those things drive answerers away from the site, prevent good questions from being answered, and detract from the overall quality of the content here. That's ultimately what we're talking about here improving question quality.
    – user4639281
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 16:19
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    I f you want to go off on a tangent about how horrible SO is because your question got closed, the comments section under any one of the blog posts expressing the same sentiment would be a good place.
    – user4639281
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 16:23
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I am surprised that so far nobody has mentioned spell checking.

Just run a spell check on the post, and if the number of spelling errors is too high, ask them to proof-read it.

(And if after proof reading the number of spelling errors is still too high, then shadow ban the poster.)

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  • I assume they expect the template to be static, aka not require much client or server side code to run. But I agree that making posters aware to use a spellchecker (most browsers offer this as an built-in option) is a good idea.
    – rene
    Commented Oct 20, 2017 at 10:56
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    Shadow banning is despicable, it is the worst thing you can do to anybody online, please don't even joke about it.
    – Oleg
    Commented Oct 20, 2017 at 11:30
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    Great idea! But please teach the spell checker all of my library names, variable names, tool names, organizations, standards, technical terms of any profession that might require a computer program, abbreviations, brand names, placeholders such as foo/bar, tech slang, and any other unusual words that might be perfectly valid in the context of a question - wouldn't want any false positives, right? By the way, I just used a spell checker on your post and it found an error - apparently your last name should be spelled "Nikes" instead...
    – l4mpi
    Commented Oct 20, 2017 at 12:43
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    @Oleg no, we need more of it. C-:=
    – Mike Nakis
    Commented Oct 20, 2017 at 17:41
  • @l4mpi all that is easy with analysis on existing SO content.
    – Mike Nakis
    Commented Oct 20, 2017 at 17:42
  • We don't have a spell check test exactly, but we do have a quality filter algorithm that takes a bunch of related indicators into consideration. But in any case, this is outside the scope of the question.
    – Jon Ericson Staff
    Commented Oct 20, 2017 at 22:57
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    @Oleg: Related: Is there going to be a process around hellbanning? Commented Oct 21, 2017 at 10:36
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    @MikeNakis : No, we do not need more lying. Having a server deceive you by thinking that it is displaying information (to other people), when it is not, is not a good thing. More deception is not the approach that this world needs to be seeing more of.
    – TOOGAM
    Commented Oct 22, 2017 at 18:15
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    Downvoted because you're suggesting shadowbanning. That is some seriously despicable behavior you're advocating.
    – Magisch
    Commented Oct 27, 2017 at 10:40
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"What can we put in the question template" - whatever you put there will be perceived as a way to force people to adhere to a certain type of question. Eg, ask for code / output / expected output will disqualify from SO/SE a lot of questions that are not necessarily related to some piece of misbehaving code. => less content => less traffic => another useless site.

"...to make people..." - in a democratic ecosystem (excuse my English, perhaps I should say: on a website where participation is optional) you can't make people do things, or do things in a certain way, and most specially not in whatever way some generic software deems appropriate. You can try but eventually you'll decide it would have been a lot easier to design the software to adjust to people. After all that's the whole point of technology.

"...better questions" - this is relative to a lot of things. Years ago I was a noob, when I was on a deadline and some stupid function was returning nil or my database crashed in the middle of the night I couldn't possibly care less about posting according to some template, all I needed was a helping hand. Same for some code that didn't do what I expected (regardless if I RTFM or not...) and for whatever other reason. I do realize SO/SE is not an emergency room, but at the same time it's not supposed to be a casual chatting website either. Real people come here with real problems which do have a degree of importance which is perceived differently by the OP and moderators and whoever else. Flagging some question as "too broad" or "not good enough" doesn't help. Besides you are not flagging the content itself but the way said content is categorized, which makes a huge difference. It's like the famous judging of a fish by its ability to climb a tree. Plus, you cannot make an objective decision to qualify a question as "not good". Instead, I would suggest investing more resources into properly tagging and categorizing content so that relevant questions are promoted to relevant users as well as offering a more substantial incentive for such users to actually invest time into researching and posting for clarifications and/or answers.

Right now I am kind of debating with myself whether I should post this and get lots of down-votes because my answer is not good enough, or call it a day and spare readers of my irrelevant "not good enough" contribution. I will post it anyway because my rep here is not essential to my existence as individual, however the fact that I am having this inner debate clearly translates to "something is wrong". Who are we to judge whether a piece of information (a question, an answer, a comment) generated by someone else is "good enough" or "not good enough" for an unknown 3rd party...

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  • The point of the template is to improve the site's value by giving would-be askers a better experience. We get a very negative rep for being "too strict" with newcomers, and all we're asking those newcomers to do is to play ball with us. You're right; we can't make people do things. But if we don't get the kinds of questions which are on-topic or answerable, we continue the negative cycle.
    – Makoto
    Commented Oct 24, 2017 at 14:59
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    "in a democratic ecosystem" SO isn't really a "democracy". For the rest, this answer reads like a bit of a rant. What does it add that hasn't been said in another answer already?
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Oct 24, 2017 at 14:59
  • If you get a question that's not "on-topic" (again, this too is relative to perception) or "not answerable" then perhaps an automated system can push that down the queue so you don't really "get" it anymore. Unless you choose to dig through the bin. There won't be a need to create custom question templates per each type of question/category/whatnot. @Cerbrus: you're right, I said it wrong. I wish I just posted the shorter version of my answer: "Nothing".
    – Nick M
    Commented Oct 24, 2017 at 15:07
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    But off-topic questions are off-topic. Questions that are lacking information that is required to answer will not be helped with what you describe. This answer shows a clear lack of understanding of the system, the problem, the proposed solution, and the question asked here.
    – user4639281
    Commented Oct 24, 2017 at 15:10
  • Tiny Giant, you are probably right. Sorry for posting that garbage, lesson learned. Going to play with my dog now.
    – Nick M
    Commented Oct 24, 2017 at 15:12
  • @NickM your voices of reason don't belong here. Move along. You're being sensible, considerate of users and mindful of technology's possibilities, potential and promise. Such thoughts require empathy and a desire for meaningful connectivity with people not self-selecting for opportunities absence of beneficial, civil and humane responsibility towards the other members of their society. Your dog is lucky to have you.
    – Confused
    Commented Nov 15, 2017 at 0:46
  • @NickM It's funny because I have been debating whether to post an answer about how people have to learn how to ask questions just like they learn anything else. There are effective ways to get that to happen and ineffective ones. It seems to me that as the discussion goes on and on the responses become more and more like spaghetti code, like if we just add one more goto it will all be okay.
    – Elin
    Commented Nov 16, 2017 at 9:15
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