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The Badge reads:

Answer a question more than 60 days later with score of 5 or more. This badge can be awarded multiple times.

It got me confused, as I expected that I would receive the badge from answering an old question that had 5 or more points. But it seems that you have to give an answer to any old question and get 5 points for your answer.

I just think it could be more well written. The first sentence would be more accurate if it was something like:

Give an answer with a score of 5 or more to a question with more than 60 days old.

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    How do you "Give an answer with 5 points"? Use ? I'd say something like: "Answer a question more than 60 days later and achieve a score of 5 on that answer."
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 11:41
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    @Cerbrus My bad. But you did understand that it should be score. Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 11:43
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    Yea, just saying that the wording could be improved :-)
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 11:44
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    "Give an answer with a score of 5 or more to a question that is more than 60 days old"
    – code11
    Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 12:33
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    Cross-site duplicate on Meta SE.
    – Glorfindel
    Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 12:50
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    The suggestion is also ambiguous - does one earn the badge when the question gets to be 2 months old? Cerbrus gets closer, but how about "Answer a question more than 60 days later and net a score of 5 or more" - terseness retained, target ambiguity resolved, and no ambiguities introduced.
    – Aaron Hall Mod
    Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 16:58
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    "Achieve a score of 5 answering a question that's at least 60 days old."
    – kjhughes
    Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 17:15
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    Regardless of whether the wording is ambiguous, your interpretation would have allowed anyone to instantly get the badge by posting random crap regardless of merit. It should be obvious that that interpretation isn't going to be right.
    – user743382
    Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 17:23
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    @hvd Instructions should not be left to interpretation. Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 17:29
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    @hvd the team wants people to hunt badges because it provides some valuable information to fellow users about their knowledge and their familiarity with the site, and it also drives interaction and high-quality content on the site. If people are trying to earn badges with unclear instructions, that would lead to the opposite: unpredictable and random actions in an attempt to trigger the badge. It's in the site's interest for users to know exactly how a badge is earned.
    – TylerH
    Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 19:34
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    @hvd What the team doesn't want people to know the details of are quality-control measures, like fraud, spam detection, etc., because they don't want users to know how to circumvent it or fly under the radar.
    – TylerH
    Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 19:35
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    @hvd Sorry, my brain switched your "that that" to "that the" which carried an implication that anyone's interpretation would be off.
    – TylerH
    Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 20:54
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    @AaronHall I also think the "later" is a bit ambiguous. Replacing it with "after it was posted" seems better.
    – River
    Commented Apr 8, 2017 at 0:48
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    @River I just upvoted kjhughes answer.
    – Aaron Hall Mod
    Commented Apr 8, 2017 at 1:42
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    Clearly the badge page should just contain the SQL query used to award each badge. Commented Apr 8, 2017 at 22:23

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I agree that the wording could be improved, but I think we can do better than your initial suggestion.

How's this:

#1

Achieve a score of 5 answering a question that's at least 60 days old.

I think most readers would find that to be clear and unambiguous.


Here's a variation intended to address 8bittree's point, if it's really an issue:

#2

Answer an old question (asked at least 60 days ago) and achieve a score of 5.

Or, even:

#3

Answer a necrotic question (asked at least 60 days ago) and achieve a score of 5.


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    I agree that my initial suggestion was not the best one. I just opened it to discussion. Your suggestions seems good. Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 17:55
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    This makes it clear which item needs to have the score of 5, but I think it takes a step backwards on the clarity of when the answer is posted (the initial suggestion has the same issue). In particular, this seems to leave open the interpretation that an score 5 answer given, for example, the day after the question was posted, would grant the necromancer badge 59 days later when the question is 60 days old.
    – 8bittree
    Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 22:18
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    I dislike #3: the badge name can be fantasist, but the description shouldn't use allegories.
    – Cœur
    Commented Apr 8, 2017 at 3:14
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    #2 is good. #1 does not indicate the answer needed to be initially made after 60 days of posting.
    – chux
    Commented Apr 8, 2017 at 19:13
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There's a few parts to this description and if we're going to reword it to eliminate the ambiguity of one part, we should be wary of introducing new ambiguity to other parts.

I would propose this:

Answer a question more than 60 days later and score 5 or more on that answer.

It says:

  • What to do (answer a question)
  • When to do it (60 days later)
  • What score is required (5 or more)
  • Which item the score must be on (the given answer)
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    For an even simpler change that eliminates ambiguity, we could just append "on that answer" to the existing wording, although it ends up a little longer overall.
    – 8bittree
    Commented Apr 7, 2017 at 22:38
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    you don't need "or more" in the sentence, as the badge is only awarded on score 5, and isn't lost if you subsequently got a score of 4 or 6.
    – Cœur
    Commented Apr 8, 2017 at 1:34
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    @Cœur: Are you sure? It's technically possible to go straight from score 4 to score 6, if someone turns a downvote into an upvote. Are you saying the badge is really not awarded in that case? Commented Apr 8, 2017 at 23:16
  • @IlmariKaronen oh, good point
    – Cœur
    Commented Apr 9, 2017 at 1:26

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