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There is a job currently posted on Stack Overflow Jobs. Its title is in ALL CAPS. That makes it ugly and difficult to read.

Job title in ALL CAPS

Is there a way to restrict that, so that the entire job title cannot appear in all caps? This is not a mission-critical bug, but it would be nice to have properly formatted mixed case titles that didn't look like they were screaming at you.

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    Mmm... client pays stackoverflow to place ads, and you want to tell the client how to construct the title for their description of the job? And the reason is "it will be good"? I think business decisions require more than "it will be good". Perhaps stackoverlow could suggest to clients that "we have many, many, developers attending the site who seem overly concerned by all-caps, lawsuits for eye-damage may be coming, you may want to reconsider that", but what else do you expect them to do? Turn away the golden shilling? Annoy the client? Commented Jul 17, 2016 at 7:50
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    That job titles should not be all caps - because they affect the visual effect of lists and ads - seems a fairly reasonable requirement to impose on employers.
    – Pekka
    Commented Jul 17, 2016 at 8:57
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    What's next, "L🐵🐵KING 4 💻 DEVZ"? Here is a practical consideration: the job title gets cut off in the overview list.
    – Jongware
    Commented Jul 17, 2016 at 9:02
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    O M G. The possibilities are endless! LEAVE YOUR 💩💩💩 JOB AND COME WORK WITH US! 💖💖💖
    – Pekka
    Commented Jul 17, 2016 at 9:20
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    @BillWoodger If an employer advertises like that, they're harmful to the site because they annoy potential employees, so SO has all the more reason to not only restrict such behaviour, but probably even turn down such employers at once. They can go advertise on Quora if PR is more important to them than quality. Besides, advertisers on this site aren't allowed to use popups, blinking flash games and notifications that you've just won a free iPad either. So just because anyone pays, doesn't mean they get to tear down this site's quality and integrity.
    – Siguza
    Commented Jul 17, 2016 at 15:05
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    @Siguza (and others it seems). Did you read your first sentence? GrammaTech (gotta be some irony there) should not advertise like that because they would annoy (I'll leave that) some potential employees, so their ad should be turned down? So it is not about potential employees, is it? What do you do with PL/SQL, C, COBOL and SPARK as a title? Just get a bit annoyed? I previously suggested that the advertiser should be advised, is that not enough for you? You want rules, rules, rules? OMG. Sorry. I mean omg. Commented Jul 17, 2016 at 20:08
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    – Laurel
    Commented Jul 17, 2016 at 20:15
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    Oh great, thanks folks, now I've been reminded of this again. A dire warning of what happens when you don't place constraints on grammatical constructs... Commented Jul 17, 2016 at 22:20
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    I'm surprised that any company who claims to be tech-focussed would use all-caps in job titles - isn't this a way of accidentally letting on that they are not familiar with basic modes of interaction on the web? Or maybe their HR author has a really loud voice...
    – halfer
    Commented Jul 17, 2016 at 22:24
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    @BillWoodger - acronyms and abbreviations as an argument that all caps should be banned is a logical fallacy of false equivalence, try again with a valid argument.
    – user177800
    Commented Jul 17, 2016 at 23:57
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    @deltics That argument appears convincing at first blush, but if you think about it a bit harder, you'll surely realize that we do have some standards for what job ads need to look like. That, in fact, is the whole point of the Jobs site. Stack Overflow got into the jobs business to improve it, to make it better, to bring sanity to the frustrating and chaotic world of hunting for programming jobs. We would certainly censor titles for job postings that were offensive, spammy, or otherwise inappropriate, so why not censor for failure to follow a customary style?
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 3:42
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    As a professional commercial art and typographer of 30+ years, I can assure you that there are plenty of scientific studies and research in existence that show that ALLCAPS is harder to read than proper mixed case or all lower case. A simple google search will prove it out.
    – user177800
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 5:50
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    @deltics I don't understand. That's what this question is about/proposing: establishing some "House Rules" or a "Customary Style" that the titles of job postings should be written with proper mixed-case formatting. No one is saying that rules have been broken and floggings should commence. Personally, I don't really like all this talking about rules. I think convention and common sense are sufficient here, as in most other places.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 6:31
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    @OgierSchelvis Sure, but that's heavy-handed. Acronyms in particular will be nuked. Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 12:56
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    I'd say allow everything and anything. That way, when you see a company doing stupid crap this, you know they're staffed with idiots, and can therefore avoid wasting your time applying.
    – user1228
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 15:40

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This is why we offer a job flagging feature. Let us know about obnoxious titles in any format and we'll try to get them fixed. The original title in question here has already been improved.

Anyway, thanks for bringing this up. As Juice said, we don't have any plans to change this functionality at this time. It's not because companies pay us. It's not because we want you to have a terrible experience. It's because a job posting is an expression of a company, and in the same way that we don't censor your profile (other than profanity and discrimination), we also don't want to censor their Job "profile" offered to you.

Having said that, we do offer guidance to companies posting Jobs with us. We advise employers on the best way to structure their listings from various angles - grammar, writing style, content, ad targeting, etc. We're a "full service" job board, if you will. We want them to succeed and we want developers to get awesome jobs. But at the end of the day, it's still up to the employers to follow that advice.

When they don't follow our advice, consider all caps, emoji, etc. an easy screener for you: if you don't like their style, you're probably unlikely to enjoy the job they offer as well.

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    The only thing you may argue is that successful campaigns are normally based on the quality of the ad itself. In this case the ad is a job offer and companies try to get the best employees they can, so it may be shooting themselves in the foot to use an ad that may limit your options just to be "stylish". A guidance may be in order, like "SO communities expect certain standards when communicating, here are some tips for a successful communication: ..."
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 22:12
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    @Braiam exactly, but the question I have (speaking personally) is: is it Stack Overflow's job to try and censor them? Should we try and make them into something they aren't? That would mean they'd misrepresent their all-caps and emoji loving selves to the users, and that wouldn't be ideal (bait and switch).
    – Haney Staff
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 22:13
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    Well, we do reject questions outrightly that are written in all caps, do that means that we "censor" them? No, of course. If anything, the house owner is the one that dictates what is allowed in their house, the one that doesn't like it may just not enter it, right?
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 22:15
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    @Braiam questions are not the same as ads / jobs. A bit of a straw man argument (as is mine re: profiles), but I get your point. It's an interesting discussion that I can see either side of.
    – Haney Staff
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 22:16
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    @Braiam We advise employers on the best way to structure their listings from various angles - grammar, writing style, content, ad targeting, etc. We're a "full service" job board, if you will. We want them to succeed and we want developers to get awesome jobs. But at the end of the day, it's still up to the employers to follow that advice.
    – Adam Lear StaffMod
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 22:17
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    @AdamLear if they shoot themself in the foot, at least you tried, eh? :P
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 22:23
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    To this I'll add that we don't even block all-caps titles on Stack Overflow. Maybe someone programs exclusively in FORTRAN on a 1960s-era teletype. We do warn you against it, but if you're determined to shoot yourself in the foot... Well, you got 10 toes for a reason I guess.
    – Shog9
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 22:30
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    There are... quite a few nonsensical job titles (I've listed a few in chat). I understand your position, but if Jobs is really going to be a "better" job searching website, shouldn't it start with improving job titles?
    – hichris123
    Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 3:28
  • @Haney I flagged this job for the all CAPS and got the response as this doesn't contravene our terms of service..
    – Arulkumar
    Commented Aug 22, 2016 at 7:50
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Right now we have no plans to force companies into "No all Caps compliance". We can make suggestions, and we do, but we're not going to turn away customers because of it.

There are a lot of rules that we do enforce. Important ones such as spam and being upfront about being a recruiter or offering real remote work. I (and many of us) agree a title in all caps isn't great, but we have lots of battles to fight, and this isn't going to be one right now.

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    Why not? Isn't the whole point of SO Jobs to improve the developer's experience of looking for a job? Allowing formatting tactics like this seems counter to that desired experience.
    – davidism
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 17:00
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    How is having a title in all caps "ruining the experience"? I'm agreeing it looks dumb, but not to the point of forcing customers to do something they don't want to do. We have several rules that we enforce that are more important to the community.
    – Juice StaffMod
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 17:03
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    This addresses the no caps, what about the other items brought up in the comment. Are "non-standard" characters are permitted? Are emjoi's allowed? What about zalgo text? I realize some of the examples provided were extreme, but they can certainly be a lot worse than all caps Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 17:05
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    If you're not fighting this battle "right now", why not mark it deferred rather than declined?
    – davidism
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 17:06
  • @psubsee2003 Honestly, not sure if that's ever some up. We'd probably make a decision on a case by case basis.
    – Juice StaffMod
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 17:07
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    @davidism Fair enough. I can't say we never will. I've changed the tag.
    – Juice StaffMod
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 17:08
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    While all caps doesn't "ruin the experience" I'd argue that the smaller details are just as important as the big rules in making something that is for developers first. Pretty sure recruiters who don't disclose that they are don't want to disclose that, but you force them to, so the "don't force customers to do something they don't want to do" doesn't really hold up.
    – davidism
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 17:10
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    @Juice tangent to the feature request - if a member of the community were to flag such posts - is that something that the jobs team would deem useful and maybe if necessary change the casing/remove unnecessary characters if present?
    – Jon Clements Mod
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 17:54
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    Seems like the advertising system could automatically convert all-caps to title case. Why does this have to be a battle? It could just be built into the platform. "Code is law," or some such thing. Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 18:08
  • @JonClements Yes. That would help.
    – Juice StaffMod
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 18:21
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    @psubsee2003 if a recruiter ever mentions TO͇̹̺ͅƝ̴ȳ̳ TH̘Ë͖́̉ ͠P̯͍̭O̚​N̐Y in a job ad, I might actually read it ;-) Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 18:44
  • @LucasTrzesniewski Would such an ad be parseable with regex? Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 22:40
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    @dorukayhan depends. Are you Tom Christiansen?
    – Braiam
    Commented Jul 18, 2016 at 22:56
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    @dorukayhan yes, of course! (?>\P{M}\p{M}+)+ should do a fine job :) Commented Jul 19, 2016 at 7:45
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    @NathanArthur "Automatically" converting all-caps (or no-caps) text to correct title case is rather harder to get right than people imagine who haven't attempted it. Humans get better results. For one thing, you need a stop list of domain-specific words that must always be in all caps, like TCP, GUI, or SMB. Those won't be in a regular dictionary. You also need to distinguish the same word used as s short proposition, which isn't capitalized unless it's the first or last word in a title, from the case when that same word is used as an adverb, in which case it normally does get capitalized.
    – tchrist
    Commented Jul 20, 2016 at 14:17

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