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The tag is very specifically referring to

The Apache HTTP Server, commonly referred to as Apache, is an open-source HTTP server for modern operating systems including UNIX, its variants and Windows. Apache is a secure, efficient and extensible server that provides HTTP services in sync with the current HTTP standards.

Yet people use this frequently to form a tag-sentence containing other ASF projects, like in

just to mention a few, which is often against the intended scope of the tag. Since the ASF hosts quite a number of projects, one can imagine all the (im)possible tag combinations that are constructed each day.

Proposal

Rename the tag to [apache-httpd] or something more specific to prevent people from mis-using the tag.

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    Ah, there is already a similar proposal over here
    – JensG
    Commented Jan 3, 2015 at 1:55
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    We haven't learn from apache pig...
    – Braiam
    Commented Jan 3, 2015 at 7:54
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    @cybermonkey you definitivelly are very sensible and reading too much. "apache pig" is yet another product of apache which naming sense already caused problems with one tag. I´m pointing out that using the short version of the name, in this case just apache, can be ambigous like Apache Pig´s, [pig] tag did.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jan 3, 2015 at 14:33
  • This would require askers to know that the Apache HTTP server is also known as httpd in order to tag their questions. Do they? I'd guess you'll lose 25% of potential askers just at that hurdle.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Jan 8, 2017 at 8:54
  • I'm experiencing this as well with another Apache project. I've been removing these tags as I see them, but renaming would probably eliminate the confusion. Commented Jun 16, 2018 at 23:36
  • What does it take to restart this discussion, or better follow up with action? The inadvertant tag-abuse by people who don't read the tag description is quite annoying
    – Olaf Kock
    Commented Oct 24, 2019 at 8:15

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You say:

Rename the tag to [apache-httpd] or something more specific to prevent people from mis-using the tag.

I would extend this to all tags of the apache family. As we probably know of the Apache Foundation's (actually, programmers) weird naming scheme, it is better that we are proactive and use an unambigous [company-product] pair, to prevent these confusions.

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    Not so sure if we should extend it to all of them. First, things change. Next, we will end up with 245 (# of projects per above list) [apache-something] tags. Is that really what we want?
    – JensG
    Commented Jan 4, 2015 at 17:51
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    @JensG the Apache foundation has demonstrated that their naming scheme is very crappy. We have apache ant, pig, beehive, aries, bookkeeper, etc. which have their own meanings outside apache. By doing this we will be future proof in case other projects take similar naming.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jan 4, 2015 at 20:16
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Many times in the past I've changed tags on Apache POI-related questions to remove the tag, which is irrelevant for questions. We should rename to , as it's commonly known. Those questions about the HTTP Server can be retagged to . Questions not about the HTTP Server can have that tag removed from the question.

I would prevent the tag from being re-created; it's too general because Apache has so many relevant projects. It doesn't make sense for someone to be an expert in "Apache" because that person is an expert in one particular Apache project. For example, I know a lot about Apache POI, but not most Apache projects in general.

As far as those projects with no naming conflict, we can create tag synonyms. The tag already has a synonym; synonyms can be created for those that don't have it already, e.g. "apache-project" for "project" or vice versa.

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  • Prevent from being recreated - good idea, didn't know this is possible at all.
    – JensG
    Commented Jan 5, 2015 at 21:14
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One way to look at it is that the Apache Software Foundation has trademarks. In all cases, there is a mark, 'Apache X'. Like, 'Apache Pig'. In other cases, the Foundation also defends the trademark X, like 'Hadoop'.

This happens for the obvious reason: 'pig' is ambiguous, Hadoop is not. It would be least confusing to forbid 'apache' as a tag, and let individual products be apache-x or x depending on whether they are ambiguous.

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  • I think should refer to the web server. That also means all Questions should be re-tagged to , if they refer to the server. (inspiration)
  • The rest of the Question should be tagged product instead of company-product (e.g. instead of ). The one exception is if there are conflicts, but I expect those to be at a minimum.

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