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The Point

I have noticed some high rep users consistently vote to close / downvote questions they can't answer.

They always have some "rule" which they argue are just a fact, even though it's clearly a judgement call. It's never for the good of the site, and also seems to be pedantic rule following for ulterior motives.

What can be done to fix this, before this destroys StackOverflow?

What's at Stake

I genuinely believe the attack on hard questions is destroying StackOverflow. Like or or hate it, all easy questions can be answered by LLMs. LLMs are getting more and more context and soon even questions requiring niche knowledge will be answerable by LLMs. The only remaining questions will be hard questions.

If only hard questions are left, they absolutely cannot be closed because This question needs details or clarity. They are hard questions, there will be confusion, closing does not help the site.

Examples

This one is especially egregious: Using CSS how can I show an element when the parent is overflowing? . It's a hard problem. But what's being asked is not unclear, and it does not require more details or clarity.

A high reputation user specifically commented that the question was impossible and then voted to close. This should NOT happen.

NOTE: This question was closed for "needs details or clarity", and is the second iteration, where the previous question was closed for "needs to be more focused". So I know the close reason is erroneous, because when I add details it is unfocused, and when I removed then it is unclear.

Another simple but hard problem: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/27825331/rearranging-pieces-of-an-ascx-component-asp-net-web-forms . Apparently it's impossible in ASP.NET (although trivial with JSX, so it's not just a bad question).

This question was ridiculous: How do I make a REST call over the WireGuard protocol only using UDP? . I had a day to solve a problem, I did, and then I got lectured about how instead I should do it the "right way". Which requires setting up and managing wireguard programmatically on every operating system and every server instance.

Downvotes and Closing

Or, instead, StackOverflowers can downvote and close this question, go through my profile and find my worst answers and downvotes those too. Especially telling me how my working answers don't follow the ECMAScript spec. At least one person has done this to me before (and they have 600K+ rep now).

But if you do that, you're 1) just burying your head in the sand, and 2) not helping make the site better. And if you don't want to make the site better, what are you even doing here?

At the end of the day, I still think there's a chance the site can be saved. I'm interesting in hearing ideas from other people who want to make the site better.

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    Speaking to your first question (the CSS one), it wasn't closed due to your discussion about the title, nor was it closed by the person you were engaging with about it. IMO it's not too bad a post but could do with a bit more detail (the close reason is "needs details or clarity"). I'd advise adding some graphical mock-ups of what you're trying to achieve as it's difficult to picture with the example provided.
    – Phil
    Commented Dec 6 at 2:39
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    Also, the question has only 2 downvotes yet it takes 3 people to vote-to-close so objectively not everyone who voted to close gave it a downvote. Downvotes are completely anonymous so you cannot even infer it was anyone engaging with your question contributing to the negative score
    – Phil
    Commented Dec 6 at 2:40
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    Stack Overflow is not dying, and suggesting your solution can “save” it comes off as grandiose. I have downvoted this question because of that for the time being; I may retract the vote if it gets edited.
    – Anerdw
    Commented Dec 6 at 2:51
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    I don't see how your ASP.NET example lends to your case: it has a single downvote and was deleted by the roomba. How does this involve high-rep users?
    – kmdreko
    Commented Dec 6 at 2:54
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    I personally am not a fan of closing questions where the answer is "no" or "not possible" (ref My question can't be answered, there is no answer for it) however I still think yours needs clarity (and so do at least 3 other people). I've been doing web dev for a looooong time and still don't know exactly what you're asking. Would it really be so hard to whip something up in MS Paint (or your favourite equivalent)?
    – Phil
    Commented Dec 6 at 2:55
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    As for your last question, given the highly visible meta discussion it generated, I'd say you just suffered from the Meta Effect. It happens and is always a risk when linking to specific SO questions on Meta
    – Phil
    Commented Dec 6 at 2:58
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    On the "overflow" question, regardless of the close reason (which I suspect was chosen as the least worst option), the simple answer is this is not possible. CSS cannot detect overflow. Granted that would be an answer and probably should be but I doubt it will satisfy you since you seem to have rejected all the other options which you have already linked. Frankly, it does sound like an XY problem and that might be why people are asking for "clarity" since they cannot grasp what it is you are actually trying to achieve.
    – Paulie_D
    Commented Dec 6 at 3:16
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    We generally don't close "impossible" questions, we just answer then with "This is not possible"... but people just won't accept it. This is a case in point. You linked several questions on the subject which all basically said the same thing "CSS can't do that, here's an alternative" but that wasn't good enough for you. Calling a question "hard" here is wrong. It's not hard, it's impossible but again, that's not something you are willing to accept.
    – Paulie_D
    Commented Dec 6 at 3:28
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    The overflow question seems great. I love that kind of tricky problem. As other have mentioned, the ASP one seems like a bit of a stretch to complain about because it only has -1 score, just happens that that’s enough to automatically deleted old posts. I don’t have enough context to judge the wireguard question. Generally I think you’re getting at a behaviour that is kind of real… but it’s also not going to change. Commented Dec 6 at 3:32
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    @Anerdw the site is certainly dying. All engagement numbers have gone off a cliff over the last several years and the company has lost hundreds of millions of dollars and their valuation has collapsed. Commented Dec 6 at 3:34
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    " my answer requires CSS only"... and still you argue. Subject matter experts are telling you it's impossible and you continue to think that we are somehow lying to you. If you won't listen, I'm gonna stop bothering trying to persuade you.
    – Paulie_D
    Commented Dec 6 at 3:37
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    @JeremyBanks - “i think this question is being down voted because the behavior it describes is too hard to solve.” - More linked to the fact instead of accepting the question might have been unclear they resubmitted the same question worded differently only to now complain that question was closed. Regardless of the reason the second question absolutely should have been closed as a duplicate of the first question. It seems the community is always wrong, we always have to change, it’s never on author of a closed question to fix their question. This question comes off as entitled. Commented Dec 6 at 9:55
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    There are a lot of assumptions in this meta post (which I would really try and avoid for future meta posts, it is surefire derailment). But others have acknowledged that they find it difficult to ask hard questions on Stack Overflow over the last few years, you're not alone in that sentiment. Hard to say what is the cause, but it might just be overactivity of the site. People who can answer hard questions, don't see said questions. In that respect the site seeing less traffic might actually be a good thing. Unfortunately it's bad for business.
    – Gimby
    Commented Dec 6 at 10:05
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    I genuinely believe the attack on hard questions is destroying StackOverflow. I see not a shred of evidence of that, nor is there any reason to believe it. 99.9% of questions asked are not hard questions, so even if we ran off and banned everybody who asks hard questions it would not be noticeable. What's more likely, and not uncommon, are prideful askers who take a downvote or a comment as a personal affront and refuse to improve their question. Commented Dec 6 at 15:31
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    In general the goal is probably not impossible. The path chosen to reach that goal is usually where things become impossible (or grossly difficult at any rate). Sometimes you need to take a step back and ask about the goal rather than the proposed solution that's causing the grief. Commented Dec 6 at 17:41

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